V'dibarta Bam

Shokhet

12:32 AM

^^^ ....oh, I see @Scimonster has already made my point about Sefaria. Oh well.

Double AA

sorry -- I'll edit -- I meant the phrase appears only 1 other time in Chamisha Chumshei Torah — Danno 1 min ago

Why isn't it Chomshei Torah? (Fifths of the Torah)

Shouldn't the word for each section be Chomesh?

Monica Cellio

12:59 AM

@Scimonster I am! Thanks for the motzei Shabbat alert. :-)

@Shokhet oh thanks -- guess the transliteration variations were enough to have kept me from finding that yesterday.

Shokhet

@MonicaCellio Yeah. I only knew to look for it because I remembered it being asked and answered.

@IsaacMoses meta.stackexchange.com/a/246911/266359

Double AA

3:03 AM

Is this judaism.stackexchange.com/a/52522/759 an answer?

YeZ

3:55 AM

@Shokhet are you around?

@DoubleAA Doesn't seem to be.

Shokhet

4:24 AM

@YeZ No, but I will be if you want me to :P

YeZ

@Shokhet I didn't want to bother Gershon Gold with pings on his post about the discussion of the Riva. Why do you think my explanation of the ברי and שמא is not what he means?

Shokhet

@YeZ Give me a minute to reread question, answer, and comments

(thanks for the edit to the question, @YeZ :)

@YeZ I think you're right in the simple reading of the ריקאנטי, but the רדב"ז clearly means to say that the ברי is the "יודע מרת נפשו," and the "הברי שלי שאמות" -- the fact that he felt that he would die anyway. I'll admit that I didn't see it inside, but I think that's clear from the blockquoted portion of Gershon's answer.

Shokhet

4:46 AM

.... @YeZ?

Yishai

6:15 AM

@DoubleAA It answers the original question. The way you edited it to narrow the scope of the question and insist on only published material, it is not an answer anymore. I don't know the timing of those events, but given what I see of the time stamps it is possible Shalom was composing his answer based on the previous version.

Scimonster

3:56 PM

Anyone know of a reasonable price for barmitzvah tutoring?

Consider also that this would be my first time, and that prices are in shekels.

YeZ

5:28 PM

@Shokhet sorry I went to sleep.

@Shokhet I think that is the implication of the quoted Ridbaz, but it makes no sense [to me]. "X is definitely true. Maybe X is not true." ?

He will certainly die, but he might not die?

YeZ

6:05 PM

When link-only answers come up in the VLQ review queue, how should they be handled? If the link still works, and the link addresses the question, I feel bad voting to delete it - as is, it does provide useful information. I don't have the option to vote for it to become a comment.

Scimonster

@YeZ I do feel the same way.

Some things you could do:

Edit it to include a summary

Write your own answer, then you get the repz and no need to feel bad about the other one

Just delete it; 10kers can still see it

Shokhet

@YeZ The doctors aren't sure. The ריב"א was sure.

YeZ

@Shokhet Then there is no שמא - there is a טעות

Monica Cellio

6:24 PM

@YeZ yeah, I find the VLQ queue frustrating too, though I'm not sure what could be changed.

A really helpful thing you can do is to leave a comment explaining about how we want answers to actually contain the answer not just a link, and could you edit in a summary? This is helpful because it "starts the clock"; I usually don't want to delete those without giving the author a chance to respond, but if I have flags but nobody's tried to help him yet, I have to leave a comment and then let the flag hang around for a while to give him time.

If, instead, when you or I see it it already has such a comment, and it's been long enough to be reasonable, then it's much easier to cast that delete vote.

Scimonster

@MonicaCellio That's how i feel too.

@Scimonster There's also skip, if you really don't want to take action.

Monica Cellio

Of course, if you're also able and willing to do the edit yourself, go for it. I suggest leaving a comment explaining what you did -- treat it as a teaching moment. If he's a new user he might not know to check the edit history for your checkin message.

Noach mi Frankfurt

I suspect this question should be revised and re-opened. The underlying issues are very real and should be addressed, even though it might be off-topic:

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Q: If I study Kabbalah at a place called Kabbalah Centre am I jewish?

I come from a christian background and I've been always interested in learning more about where it came from. After sometime however I've been participating in the sabbath and tithing which is quite new to me and I don't feel that the connection everybody has when reading the torah in Hebrew and ...

mysticism-kabbalah

Monica Cellio

@NoachmiFrankfurt ah, what timing -- I just left you a comment there. Here, let me import it:

@NoachmiFrankfurt do you mean having a question about the status of the Kabbalah Center? That seems valuable; I wonder if it's best done by asking a new question that's more clear. Asking and answering your own question is completely kosher, by the way, so if you're able to answer that, please feel free to do that. Or maybe bring it up on meta or in chat to get help? — Monica Cellio ♦ 1 min ago

The current question is all over the place, asking one thing in the title and a bunch of different things in the body. It got one answer valiantly trying to tackle all that. I suspect we'd be better off with a new question, which could be asked in a way that fits our site. (This one was closed as unclear, not off-topic.)

Shokhet

6:41 PM

@YeZ Sorry, I don't have a lot of time now. I'll be back later, אם ירצה השם.

Scimonster

8:10 PM

Google is very helpful here - the top result for רבי אליעזר יוסף בן רבי יצחק הלוי לטרברג is this question. :P — Scimonster 1 min ago

Similar:

Wow, Google's fast. It's already picked up on this question. :) — Scimonster Sep 7 '14 at 20:10

Noach mi Frankfurt

8:51 PM

@MonicaCellio I agree that the current question is a mess. I will admit that I don't have great answers for that particular question, other than the answer that already exists. My fear is that since similar questions have been closed as off-topic, we would have to figure out how it stays within such bounds. Perhaps we can move to delete the current mess and transfer the current answer to a new question, along with newer answers.

@MonicaCellio, here's a sample title: Is the Kabbalah Center Kosher?

Monica Cellio

@Scimonster Stack Exchange is usually in Google's index within 15 minutes.

YeZ

@Shokhet A shechita question you haven't answered! Act quickly to resolve this issue!

Monica Cellio

@NoachmiFrankfurt I think that's a fine title.

@NoachmiFrankfurt there's one paragraph in the answer that would apply to that question; the rest is responses to the other, more-confused parts of the question.

One option would be to edit the question severely to just be that, and then edit the answer down to that one paragraph. Another would be to start a new question, migrate and edit the answer, and then delete the original. A third would be to ask a new question, invite the author of that answer to answer it, and then delete the original.

The author of that answer, Aryeh, was last seen 13 hours ago, so presumably is still an active user. The author of the original question hasn't been seen since the day it was asked.

Noach mi Frankfurt

@MonicaCellio Ok, I wrote up a question, which might need severe editing. I'll link it below.

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Q: Is the Kabbalah Center kosher?

I suspect many have heard of the Kabbalah Center. Founded by Philip Berg (who went by the moniker of R' Yehudah Berg, despite likely lacking semicha), the Kabbalah center is known for publishing editions of the Zohar, translations thereof, a kabbalistic siddur with translated kavanot, and numerou...

mysticism-kabbalah chinuch-education

Monica Cellio

So my own preference is to ask a new question and try to get good answers to that; the paragraph from Aryeh's answer is a good start but surely there is more to say on the subject. A new question would invite new responses, I'd think.

Noach mi Frankfurt

9:01 PM

@MonicaCellio Is it possible to migrate Aryeh's answer and delete the original question?

Monica Cellio

@NoachmiFrankfurt that looks pretty good to me. Thanks.

Noach mi Frankfurt

@MonicaCellio You're welcome.

Monica Cellio

@NoachmiFrankfurt I think I'd rather first ask Aryeh to post a new answer to the new question. Feel like leaving a comment on his answer linking to the new question and explaining that we're trying to tease out that part from the jumbled question?

Noach mi Frankfurt

@MonicaCellio Will do.

Shokhet

@YeZ :) ....see my comments to the question

YeZ

9:04 PM

@Shokhet that was months ago! Where have you been?

Shokhet

@YeZ Also, see @Matt's response comment....that might be part of a future answer

@YeZ :P

Apparently, it can be found in the Torah. — Double AA ♦ 2 mins ago

(read comment in context to appreciate joke)

YeZ

@Shokhet I upvoted that comment immediately upon its posting

Shokhet

@YeZ I did the same as soon as I saw it, two minutes later

YeZ

@DoubleAA @IsaacMoses judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/52550/… judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/52553/… judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/51392/… judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/51342/… , to name a few. There is a pattern here. Is there a way to issue a warning and take action to limit the

consistant asking of poor quality questions?

Shokhet

@YeZ Leave him a comment, asking him (politely!!) to improve his overall question quality? ....I think you might have an advantage that Isaac and Double might not have, in that they've already commented on almost every one of his questions, and he might be reading that as something personal (though it surely isn't)

....to be clear, not just whatever question you comment on, but make it clear that you're speaking to him about all (or many) of his questions

YeZ

9:22 PM

@Shokhet testing for politeness: "Mr. Ploni, many of your questions have suffered from the same shortcoming - you seem to have some source that you are searching for, which you somehow know exists, and you do not provide information about how you know that such a thing exists. There is nothing illegal about these questions, but they are not very constructive. Could you try to provide more context for your questions in the future?"

@Shokhet (and anyone else who wishes to comment) looks ok? ^^^

Monica Cellio

@YeZ nicely done.

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Shokhet

@YeZ Sounds good to me

I got a DV on this question today. While I'm not upset, I suspect that it was a revenge downvote, because I think that the only bad thing I can think of in that question is something that should be put into a comment if it's a reason for a DV

(the DV reason would be the fallacy of holding the Riva to the Shulchan Aruch, who came later; though of course the gemara says about the same thing)

(I certainly wasn't asking for pity upvotes, but thanks anyway! :P)

YeZ

9:41 PM

Mr. Chiddushei Torah, many of your questions have suffered from the same shortcoming - you seem to have some source that you are searching for, which you somehow know exists, and you do not provide information about how you know that such a thing exists. There is nothing illegal about these questions, but they are not very constructive. Could you try to provide more context for your questions in the future? — YeZ 11 secs ago

later skater(s)

Shokhet

@YeZ (you copied from Bam, and missed the italics on "illegal")

Monica Cellio

@YeZ thank you.

Shokhet

@YeZ Well said, +1

@YeZ I take it you don't have time to discuss the Riva right now :) ....maybe later? (skater?)

Scimonster

This reminds me of a certain chumash i once used, where they naïvely replaced all occurrences of ה' with Hashem's name. י-ה-ו-ה שנים, anyone?

Shokhet

10:26 PM