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קיצור הלכות שבת - רב יעקב יחזקאל פאזען סימן ל''ז כ''ג. גזירות שלא יבואו לידי תיקון כלי גזרו חכמים על עשיית איזה דברים בשבת, שאף שלעצמם אין להם שייכות כלל לתיקון מנה, חששו שאם יהיו מתירים לעשותם בשבת, שבסופו יכולים גם לבוא לידי תיקון כלי. כ''ד. השמעת קול וכן אסרו להשמיע קול על שיר על ידי שום דבר...

Shokhet

@havarka I saw that; thanks!

havarka

mamesh bekitzur :P

Shokhet

@havarka :)

@IsaacMoses Also, older users have had more yomim tovim; the only ones I've had to deal with has been RH YK and Succos -- you've had Pesach and Shavuos every year etc.

havarka

12:59 AM

@Shokhet thx for edit

Shokhet

3:45 AM

@havarka No problem

@IsaacMoses et al: this question has close votes for being "off-topic -- Hebrew" again. Is there any way to edit that question so that its on-topicness is clearer?

Isaac Moses

4:07 AM

@Shokhet It's about bible study. Every other word in the question is some conjugation of "bible." But, some of the remaining words are "Hebrew," so people who glaze over the non-bullteted portions of this and haven't yet seen this diagram are going to VtC.

Shokhet

@IsaacMoses I hadn't yet seen that diagram :P

Isaac Moses

@Shokhet There's also a truth table, above, and a magazine quiz, below.

user55340

@Shokhet so... lets see about that answer that I'm curious about.

Shokhet

@MichaelT Aright.

user55340

For context... my question:

user55340

4:17 AM

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Q: What are the restrictions on electronic commerce during the sabbath?

On Photo.SE, mention was made of some software that had its software license fulfillment (one would think a completely automatic process) being restricted on Saturday: Someone at B&H ... has to press a button or something to make sure that you can't get it on Sabbath or a no-work-allowed hol...

user55340

and another answer:

user55340

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A: Can an ecommerce website remain open on Shabbat?

The Rambam (Hil. Shabbos 23:12) is clear that the buyer and seller are both included in the prohibition of business on Shabbos: וכן אסור לקנות ולמכור, ולשכור ולהשכיר--שמא יכתוב It is prohibited to buy and sell ... lest one come to write The Divrei Malkiel 4:2 explains the prohibition o...

Shokhet

@YeZ Is actually in here now :P

Aright.

YeZ

@Shokhet What'd I miss?

Shokhet

@YeZ Someone is complaining that one of your answers is unclear :P

just kidding

user55340

4:18 AM

Just some curiosity on mine about license fulfillment of digital download software from a camera company that follows orthodox practices.

Shokhet

Shoot; I just got a phone call; @YeZ, can you help @MichaelT?

user55340

Note that I'm not Jewish and so... I might be missing some context around parts of the answer. I do have more than no experience (I know of the 39 melecot (even if my spelling checker refuses to recognize that misspelling and wants it to be something completely different))

YeZ

@Shokhet I can try, but I seem to be missing some context of the discussion.

user55340

@YeZ there's not too much... its in 3 comments on my question.

user55340

Related: judaism.stackexchange.com/q/9304/5323, judaism.stackexchange.com/q/29131/5323, judaism.stackexchange.com/q/6367/5323 and a whole bunch of these. (there may be a duplicate in there, but I didn't see one) — Shokhet 24 mins ago

user55340

4:21 AM

@Shokhet I suspect that Can an automated online service business operate on shabbat? and Selling on Amazon.com or Half.com on Shabbos or Yom Tov would be most appropriate, though unanswered. Processing an online payment - which will be processed on Shabbos has a... disappointing answer. Can an ecommerce website remain open on Shabbat? might have an answer there, though I'm not sure how to interpret it. — MichaelT 14 mins ago

user55340

I just flagged the "Processing an online payment" answer as NAA -- I hadn't seen it yet. If there are pieces of answers of the last question that don't make sense to you, would you like to come to chat? — Shokhet 8 mins ago

YeZ

@MichaelT OK so what can I explain?

user55340

So... B&H (camera store) has digital download of other software. The license fulfillment for it isn't active from Friday night to Saturday night. I believe that to be an automatic processes (that they don't have someone pushing a button at 3am other nights).

user55340

I'm just curious what the restriction that is based on.

YeZ

(I'm editing something while we talk, so I may not be the quickest responder)

@MichaelT To make sure I am following, what is a license fulfillment?

user55340

4:25 AM

Either download the paid version from B&H (digital download), or enter credit card number in demo version of application and have it become non-demo version.

Scimonster

May 5 '14 at 19:02, by Isaac Moses

On-topic            On-topic                     Off-topic
|                       |                                 |
/-----------------/-------------------------\-----------------\
|    Judaism   /      Judaism AND        \     Hebrew     |
|                   \           Hebrew            /                     |
\----------------\---------------------------/-----------------/

That one looks better.

YeZ

@MichaelT So it is a payment/transaction?

Isaac Moses

@Scimonster I wanted to get the cross-shading in there

YeZ

@IsaacMoses As per my challenge

user55340

On-topic            On-topic                     Off-topic
|                       |                                 |
/-----------------/-------------------------\-----------------\
|    Judaism     /      Judaism AND          \     Hebrew     |
|               \           Hebrew            /               |
\----------------\---------------------------/----------------/

user55340

4:29 AM

(fixed font ftw?)

user55340

@YeZ Correct.

user55340

(diagraming via stable.ascii-flow.appspot.com/#Draw )

user55340

I wasn't sure where the '|' on the second row or the text was supposed to go.

Isaac Moses

@MichaelT Nice. I love the Internet

user55340

@IsaacMoses If you copy and paste that bit into the 'import' dialog on the app, you can edit it. Then click the 'export' to get the raw text back out for copy and paste.

YeZ

4:31 AM

@IsaacMoses @MichaelT If anyone can make a top and bottom of the circles, +1

user55340

There's also asciiflow.com - though in this case, it tries to be too smart.

user55340

(if you're after something more graphical: draw.io )

Isaac Moses

@MichaelT Thanks. I think I've done all I am inclined to on this particular project. :)

@YeZ ^^^ 8P

user55340

YeZ

@MichaelT So if it is a transaction, it would be a subject of dispute if it is OK to happen automatically on Shabbos. According to the Ezer Lashovsim that I quoted, it would be prohibited.

user55340

4:36 AM

> The prohibition is to be party to a sale on Shabbos, and this is exactly what Chazal were decreeing, that there should not be objects changing ownership on Shabbos through commerce ... the prohibition is the reality of the transaction and not the act.

user55340

However, for a digital download, there is no object changing ownership.

user55340

@IsaacMoses With the image above, is there other bits you want in it?

Isaac Moses

@MichaelT It does the job as-is, but it's moved away from being a Venn diagram.

user55340

(side bit, thats a png with embedded xml in it - if you save it locally and go draw.io, it is possible to open it back up as a drawing)

Isaac Moses

@MichaelT (I hope you're not taking this design task too seriously.)

user55340

4:39 AM

@IsaacMoses Its an interesting problem.

Scimonster

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Isaac Moses

@MichaelT Cool. Is that a standard way of storing a hybrid image/drawing?

user55340

@IsaacMoses Not sure how standard... but its something that can be done and draw.io makes use of it.

Isaac Moses

@Scimonster throw in some cross-hatching or a couple of mixable colors, and it's all the way there, from an information point of view

@MichaelT clever

YeZ

@MichaelT the Chelkas Yaakov would still probably apply.

@Scimonster You did it!

Scimonster

4:43 AM

like that?

or did i misunderstand?

user55340

Oops... didn't get the no fill on the Hebrew part.

user55340

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user55340

There.

Isaac Moses

@Scimonster yessir. A little less color saturation would allow greater contrast between the words and the background

Scimonster

@IsaacMoses meh :P

Isaac Moses

4:45 AM

@Scimonster that's what I'm talking about

user55340

@IsaacMoses Needs free hand red circles.

Scimonster

YeZ

@IsaacMoses You may get blown out of the water if that MPTIJ post ever materializes.

user55340

I'm amused at the right hand side just being all 'i.stack.imgur.com'

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Scimonster

@YeZ MPTIJ?

@MichaelT It should totally show the images, you know?

Isaac Moses

4:47 AM

@MichaelT ... earlier today ...

8 hours ago, by YeZ

I like how the entire pane of starred comments is all leitzanus.

YeZ

@MichaelT It follows our general "leitzanus in the right-side column" principle.

Isaac Moses

leitzanus = frivolity

YeZ

@Scimonster Meta Purim Torah In Jest

Isaac Moses

@YeZ which post, now?

YeZ

@IsaacMoses, who is better at finding old chat comments, can refer you to the old chat comment to which I am referring.

@IsaacMoses Aww. The one you foreshadowed!

user55340

4:48 AM

I'm not unfamiliar with frivolity... I come from the Whiteboard...

YeZ

Ok now I'll have to go find it.

user55340

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/21/the-whiteboard

user55340

And that doesn't get one boxed. Bleh.

user55340

> General Discussion for programmers.stackexchange.com Pants optional when telecommuting.

YeZ

May 5 '14 at 19:16, by Isaac Moses

@MonicaCellio I feel a mptij post bubbling up

user55340

4:49 AM

So anyways... any other improvements on that venn diagram?

Isaac Moses

@MichaelT Your latest one could use a color key

YeZ

@MichaelT Can you make it animated?

Isaac Moses

@YeZ I don't really remember what I was getting at

@YeZ AHAHAHAHAH

user55340

►

user55340

@YeZ I can make it with 7 red lines... because I'm an expert.

YeZ

4:51 AM

How about when you move the cursor over the "off-topic" section, one of those painful error beeps sounds off.

And can it whiten my teeth while I sleep?

Shokhet

Way too much happened while I was gone. What happened?

Shmuel Brin

Is this the first post since graduation deleted purely by <strike>plebians</strike> non-mods? judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/51371/…

Shokhet

@ShmuelBrin I don't have 10K yet; I can't see it :P

Scimonster

@ShmuelBrin Some of us mere mortals can't see that.

Shokhet

@Scimonster Jinx!

@Scimonster This ^^^ has to stop :P

YeZ

4:53 AM

@Shokhet @Scimonster oh man are you guys missing out!

user55340

in Workplace 2014 Election, Mar 28 '14 at 23:56, by MichaelT

Ok, question for moderator candidates: Can you draw seven perpendicular red lines, some with red ink, some with green ink and some with transparent ink? And maybe... can you make one of the lines look like a kitten?

Isaac Moses

@MichaelT I love that video. I have totally been that guy.

Shokhet

@YeZ I'll get there, don't worry about me?

user55340

in Workplace 2014 Election, Mar 30 '14 at 4:15, by Monica Cellio

Scimonster

@YeZ You can offer some 500 point bounties to speed up the process... ;)

Shokhet

4:54 AM

@MichaelT So I think I figured out who got your vote :P

user55340

in Workplace 2014 Election, Mar 31 '14 at 1:15, by MichaelT

Now I've gotta go get 150 rep so that I can vote for the only candidate that answered my question...

Shokhet

@MichaelT :)

.....and did you?

Scimonster

I've gotta go daven now, bye guys.

user55340

The transcript starting at this is amusing:

user55340

in Workplace 2014 Election, Mar 31 '14 at 1:06, by Monica Cellio

@MichaelT heh -- I've just now seen the video that inspired that. I've had coworkers like that...

Isaac Moses

4:56 AM

@Scimonster Shacharit Tovah

Shokhet

@Scimonster I didn't realize what time it was by you. Good morning! :)

user55340

in Workplace 2014 Election, Mar 31 '14 at 1:07, by Monica Cellio

@MichaelT I thought you were just being really random. :-)

user55340

in Workplace 2014 Election, Mar 31 '14 at 1:08, by Monica Cellio

Like, enough with those serious questions; let's do something different!

Shokhet

(someone should just ping @MonicaCellio so she'll see this discussion when she comes back :P)

user55340

Scimonster

5:00 AM

@MichaelT That makes it look like J+H is half offtopic.

Shokhet

@MichaelT That's a pretty good one. Now we need to put that pic on Meta somewhere....

Scimonster

(I'm waiting for my ride.)

YeZ

Ok don't have too much fun y'all. Gnite.

Shokhet

I like the color, J+H is clearly entirely on-topic, even though it's in the center of the diagram.

user55340

5:02 AM

Shifting Off topic to the right.

Scimonster

@Shokhet I suppose.

Shokhet

@MichaelT @Scimonster The newer one is a little clearer, though

@YeZ Gnight!

user55340

As mentioned, that is a .png with xml embeded so you can download it and then open it back up (from device) on draw.io

user55340

(for some reason, it doesn't like to open it direct from imgur as a url).

Isaac Moses

@YeZ Good night

user55340

5:05 AM

Anyways... I'm off for the night too. G'night all.

Shokhet

@MichaelT Gnight!

Scimonster

TZT, people

Shokhet

@MichaelT I hope you got what you were looking for; sorry I had to run off in the middle :}

@Scimonster TZT; have a nice day ;-)

Scimonster

You guys are all in the wrong timezone. :P

Shokhet

@Scimonster You have the TZYT, right? ;-)

Isaac Moses

5:07 AM

@MichaelT Good night. Thanks for your help

Scimonster

@Shokhet Of course. ;)

Shokhet

:)

It's getting late here (no comment, @Scimonster! :P)....g'night, everyone!

Meta-Man

2:51 PM

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Q: Weekly Tanach Challenge 5775-1 (Week of Va-eira): Bereishit 16 - 20

In conjunction with Project 929, let's learn Tanach along with Jews all over the world. This coming week (Parashat Va-eira, starting Sunday, January 11), we'll be studying the following chapters: Bereishit 16 Bereishit 17 Bereishit 18 Bereishit 19 Bereishit 20 The challenge to you is: st...

discussion weekly-topic-challenge

Scimonster

@Meta-Man I thought you take 10 minutes to post.

Monica Cellio

@Shokhet ha! But you guys forgot the specification review:

in Workplace 2014 Election, Mar 30 '14 at 4:16, by Monica Cellio

@MichaelT freehand lines are not precisely lines, but you said "draw", not "draft". You also didn't say perpendicular to what, or that the green or transparent lines had to be wholly so, or that you required the entire kitten. So, to answer your actual question, "yes" (with those clarifications). Cheers.

And yes, I have been like Jason Fox in this strip for as long as I can remember. (And I failed to find, or figure out how to extract, that image so I could onebox it directly. Oh well.)

Scimonster

@MonicaCellio Your cat looks more like a mouse to me.

Monica Cellio

@Scimonster there's a limit to what I can do when drawing with a mouse. And I didn't feel like drawing (with an actual pen) and then scanning something better.

Scimonster

@Scimonster people who don't log in on weekends for religious reasons have their own fanatic badge. — Р̀СТȢѸ́ФХѾЦЧШЩЪЫЬѢѤЮѦѪѨѬѠѺѮѰѲѴ 2 mins ago

How to take that? It's a reply to

Some people don't log in on weekends for religious reasons. Due to my time zone, i am able to make it each UTC day, but others can't. Support. — Scimonster Oct 17 '14 at 8:19

Isaac Moses

3:02 PM

@Scimonster chuckle and move on. Be happy that you're not in a world where your "fanatic badge" is a pile of pink slips from jobs that fired you when you didn't come in on Saturday.

irvinehebrewday.org/parrys-parsha-pearls.html?post_id=46127

Shokhet

4:26 PM

@MonicaCellio Ha! :)

....figured if we were quoting you that much, you should at leaslt find out about it after :P

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Monica Cellio

4:41 PM

@Shokhet yeah, thanks -- I do try to skim the transcript and presumably would have noticed my drawing in it, but I appreciate the ping.

Shokhet

@MonicaCellio You're welcome. I wasn't sure if you would want that, but I figured I probably would, in your position.

Meta-Man

5:26 PM

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Q: Reviving the Jewish-Date series

The tag jewish-date-series has some serious scope issues, as it is about history of Jews as much as about Judaism. I am considering reviving it in the form of "This date is significant in Judaism because ..." Of course, that would invalidate some answers or parts of answers in the current serie...

discussion scope

Double AA

6:24 PM

@IsaacMoses Can you suggest a tag wiki and excerpt for project-929?

Isaac Moses

@DoubleAA I can. Beli neder, I will, sooner or later.

Monica Cellio

7:25 PM

So. Close. It feels wrong to roll it over by accepting an answer just at the moment. :-)

and changed:

Monica Cellio ♦, Pittsburgh PA

20k 4 39 136

halacha parshanut-torah-comment how-to shabbat gentiles history product-recommendation

Woot. Thank you, whoever provided that little nudge.

I realize that as a moderator I don't "need" to reach 20k for the privileges, but it still feels like a major milestone for me, and I'm delighted that I reached it here (a) at all and (b) first among my SE sites.

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havarka

@MonicaCellio mazl tov

Monica Cellio

@havarka thank you! (And I see that the user link in here collapses it, but that number was 20,004 at the time.)

Scimonster

7:57 PM

@MonicaCellio Shkoiach on your hard work. 😄

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havarka

@MonicaCellio lemai nafke mine? :p

Shokhet

@MonicaCellio יישר כחיך!

@Scimonster (I don't see what's in that box. Is that supposed to be something?)

.....I actually came in here to celebrate my second Necromancer badge, but 20K is so much more impressive

(that badge is actually @MonicaCellio's fault, both for asking the question, and for pointing it out to me when I answered the duplicate)

YeZ

8:34 PM

@Shokhet Way to go!

Shokhet

@YeZ Thanks :)

YeZ

I hate when I am in the middle of typing up a well-written, quality answer, and someone else posts a sloppy same-type-of-idea answer while I am spending time writing a quality answer.

Monica Cellio

@Scimonster @Shokhet thank you!

@Shokhet yashar koach!

@YeZ post yours anyway. Well-written, quality answer is worth it!

Besides, when the timestamps are similar nobody's going to complain that you poached or something; it's obvious you were both working on it at the same time.

@havarka oh, sorry. When I posted the link to my profile I expected it to show my name and the actual rep number; I'd forgotten that it would collapse that down to 20k. With rounding, my 19,999 would also have come through as 20k.

Or were you asking why 20k is special? It's the last of the rep-based privilege levels (which doesn't matter for mods but still) -- so I'm a "trusted user" by rep now and not just by diamond. And it makes me feel good.

YeZ

@MonicaCellio I can finally trust you!

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@MonicaCellio I already erased it - in the future, maybe I will.

As an aside, I didn't even upvote his answer because he did a poor job of presenting the idea.

Monica Cellio

8:53 PM

@YeZ then there is clearly room for a better answer. People can't squat on ideas; just because somebody, e.g., cited a Rambam doesn't mean you can't build out a better Rambam-based answer. If you're actually building on another answer it's good to acknowledge that, but don't assume monopolies where they're not present.

So both the US government AND stackexchange consider you reliable :) — Shmuel Brin Feb 26 '13 at 23:43

@ShmuelBrin yeah, what's the world coming to? :-) — Monica Cellio ♦ Feb 27 '13 at 1:25

Scimonster

9:10 PM

@Shokhet It's an iOS smiley.

havarka

9:22 PM

@MonicaCellio no, no, i am happy that you reached 20k, just it doesn't matter if it's 20001 or 20040 :p happy for you

Shokhet

10:11 PM

@MonicaCellio Thanks :)

@Scimonster I see. Or rather, I (still) don't :P