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Q: Arbuh mayoys (400) mi yodeya?

B"H Hello It's well known that every number has some kind of significance in the Torah, so what then does the number 400 (represented by the hebrew letter Tuff) have in the Torah? Blessings and success

mi-yodeya-series

10:22 AM

Are people here happy with the current state of the homepage? (taken up by tens of poorly-transliterated Mi-Yodeya-Series questions of more-or-less randomly selected numbers)

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11:26 AM

Personally, no.

Nor I.

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1:45 PM

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Q: Are these low-quality questions?

A number of questions were asked today about the significance of seemingly random numbers on the "mi-yodeya-series". My immediate reaction is that there would be no answer to these questions, and that they are just noise. Is there any guideline for what makes a question unacceptably low-quality f...

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2:54 PM

I propose @IsaacMoses who informally ran this series for the first ~350 or so posts go ahead and ask all the remaining numbers up to 365 now and then we immediately formally retire the series.

Sure that breaks a lot of rules but the whole thing breaks rules so let's allow ourselves to break some more rules to tie up the loose ends neatly.

3:50 PM

Its a difficult situation, but I think I agree. The whole series is sort of grandfathered in by the Passover song, but if someone were to ask an individual question about every organism in the animal kingdom's significance in Judaism, that person would be banned.

@DoubleAA I maintain that the original series was at least facially on-topic, at the very least after I (and others) started including a clear statement of motivation.

It was and is a cute series that was started at this site's inception I believe. One of the answers to Echad mid yodeya is entirely tongue anc cheek (the site itself), yet it received 11 up votes

@BabySeal At the very beginning, our standards for questions and answers were significantly looser and less defined. I wouldn't take that as clear precedent.

I agree, which is why I think that those questions are no longer acceptable

@BabySeal I guess in general, if someone fills the front page with many trivial questions or even edits, we'd ask the user nicely to slow it down. I don't think we've ever banned a user over such behavior.

3:54 PM

UNLESS they are regulated like PTIJ questions, which are of abysmal quality by design, but are allowed for

@BabySeal Which point of my analysis here do you disagree with?

if some one asked individually what the significance of turquoise, navy blue, royal blue, teal, cyan, forest green, acid green, chartruse, etc.. is in Judaism, we wouldn't do anything?

@IsaacMoses 3. there should be one question about the significance of other natural numbers than the ones in the song, base on that, imo

@BabySeal Posted without clear motivation, I'd likely downvote such questions, and I wouldn't be surprised if users vote to close them.

@BabySeal If you mean asking for the significance of all other natural numbers in one question, that would be infinite in scope by definition and therefore Too Broad. If you mean asking whether the song actually implies what I'm saying it implies, that's certainly a valid question, but it's a very different question than "what's the significance of N"

@IsaacMoses It would not, because legitimate sources, and by extension the set of numbers actually mentioned, is finite.

@BabySeal Any number of unrelated numbers the question is asking about higher than one would be Too Broad.

4:05 PM

In any event, I get your point. Moderators should not do anything about these, users should (and are)

@IsaacMoses is it possible to retire the tag?

@BabySeal It is a "meta tag" (about the type of question, rather than about the subject matter) and therefore not a valid use of tagging, so it would make sense to merge it into number.

@IsaacMoses If you add that do you answer in Meta I will upvote it. I agree with your overall assessment (though the Baby in me wants to be more heavy-handed), but I do think something should be done and that seems like a good way to address this.

@BabySeal What practical impact do you expect from such a move?

@IsaacMoses if a conscientious user is considering such a question, and sees the series tag, they might accept it as a sitewide convention, instead of seeing it for what it is.

@BabySeal Fair enough.

4:17 PM

@IsaacMoses going back to my example, if there were a [color-series] tag, then people might abide or even upvote my bajillion questions about every shade I could think of, thinking it was some sort of event.

Note that there's a disclaimer in the m-y-s tag wiki that would be lost if we get rid of the tag.

@BabySeal Practically speaking, I would expect users to use their own judgement about the content at hand, and someone would probably post to Meta to complain/discuss.

@IsaacMoses right, and I see the disclaimer now, though I'll note that I did not notice it until you mentioned it, and probably no one else does because no one reads signs.

@IsaacMoses and if people felt taht color questions were spammy, what would be done? would the tag be removed?

if enough people were in favor?

@BabySeal It's a meta tag, so I wouldn't be surprised if a mod nipped it in the bud unilaterally. (I probably would.) If you were to first argue for the project on Meta and get something approaching community consensus that we ought to have such a tag, mods would presumably adhere to the community consensus.

@BabySeal Like I said above, if a user's behavior is filling the front page in an unfortunate way, we'd probably ask the user nicely to slow it down.

@IsaacMoses did such a discussion take place for the mi yodeya series?

@IsaacMoses just to be clear, I really liked what the series was, when you an only you were asking the questions in sequence, etc, subject to specific rules. It was kinda like the site's mascot.

@BabySeal Nope. It started in the olden days, before there was even Meta. I don't think it ever filled the front page. In the early days, I was posting them once per day, and it only slowed down from there.

4:31 PM

ok, I'm going to ask another meta question about it. My hope is that there is a way to lock the tag from further use, but still preserve it in some way.

@BabySeal No technical way that I'm aware of. We could also move the disclaimer into the number tag's wiki, FWIW.

@BabySeal There's no way to restrict its use to @IsaacMoses. That's why I suggested restricting its use from everyone and having Isaac fill out the series quickly before doing so.

@DoubleAA ah, yes, that makes sense to do

The simplest solution is just ban it now. It just seems cleaner to fill out to 365 nicely first.

I see two problems: front-page flooding, which we can deal with on its own terms, and the existence of a meta-tag, which we can deal with by merging, but should probably discuss with the community first, given the longevity and popularity of the tag.

4:42 PM

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Q: Should the [mi-yodeya-series] Tag Be Retired?

The [mi-yodeya-series] tag was introduced at this sites inception, when things were far less formal than they are now, and was intended as a fun sort of event to celebrate the founding of this wonderful site. Nowadays, however, our standards are much higher for question quality. In addition such ...

discussion specific-tag spam

@IsaacMoses I can't find it but I'm 99% sure I suggested to you some years ago merging in the tag to numbers and you rejected the suggestion.

@DoubleAA I'm willing to believe that. I could make arguments against doing so. Like I said, I wouldn't do it without asking the community first.

5:03 PM

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Q: Should the [mi-yodeya-series] Tag Be Retired?

The [mi-yodeya-series] tag was introduced at this sites inception, when things were far less formal than they are now, and was intended as a fun sort of event to celebrate the founding of this wonderful site. Nowadays, however, our standards are much higher for question quality. In addition such ...

discussion specific-tag spam

6:02 PM

@DoubleAA If you want to ban further questions (which I don't think I agree with), then why post a bunch first instead of banning immediately?

@msh210 It just seems cleaner to fill out to 365 nicely first.

@DoubleAA Eh.

We could also back delete to 300. Or 314. We could do anything. If you were thinking a priori about when to finish up the series, you wouldn't have selected 348. It doesn't have to be mathematical. Just how normal people would approach a sentimental thing. Let it round off to a nice number and call it a day.

@DoubleAA 354 is a nice number.

At least the תרומת הדשן thought so.

@msh210 I have no strong objection to that one, though I maintain 365 is a bit more transparently so.

6:16 PM

@DoubleAA It is. I really don't see much point in stopping on a nice number.

@msh210 The cost is small enough that we don't need such a huge benefit to make it worth it.

@IsaacMoses

mi-yodeya-series is a meta-tag, but it does say something about the content of the question, and it suffers from neither of the problems listed here. sources, on the other hand, has the first problem but probably not the second. — Isaac Moses ♦ Dec 29 '15 at 9:16

Ironic:

Dec 30 '13 at 19:51, by Isaac Moses

@DoubleAA If we ever have an in-person MY convention, we'll all have to wear masks (or at least shirts) depicting our avatars.

Here we go:

@DoubleAA Thanks; fixed. These questions definitely have to do with numbers, so I think the tag is appropriate. The reason we don't tag P"T questions with other tags is to make it absolutely clear that they are exceptions to our normal seriousness standards. — Isaac Moses ♦ Mar 23 '12 at 18:43

May 3 '12 at 6:45, by Isaac Moses

@DoubleAA We can't make a Mi Yodeya desk calendar until at least 354 or maybe 365

Feb 13 '13 at 6:28, by Double AA

@msh210 Tell that to mi-yodeya-series.

7:22 PM

@DoubleAA At the 5th year celebration at my house, one person came sporting a pocket square that was printed with his avatar.

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9:41 PM

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Q: Where did Rambam say he wrote a book about prophecy?

Where did Rambam say he wrote a book about prophecy? Sources, please. I heard a rabbi [Rabbi Manis Friedman] talk about this in a lecture.

rambam nevua-prophecy

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