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3:56 AM
@HodofHod really , how can conversion to Judaism be capital offense , Was it a law to hang converts to Judaism in any of the countries in the past?
 
@Islam Yes. Almost every country.
 
I don't think even germany had such laws
 
You would be incorrect.
 
It might have been a taboo due to "majority wins" but certainly it was not a law specific to Jews
 
Abraham ben Abraham (, lit. "Avraham the son of Avraham") (c. 1700 – May 23, 1749), also known as Count Valentine (Valentin, Walentyn) Potocki (Pototzki or Pototski), was a purported Polish nobleman of the Potocki family who converted to Judaism and was burned at the stake by the Roman Catholic Church because he had renounced Catholicism and had become an observant Jew. According to Jewish oral traditions, he was known to the revered Talmudic sage, the Vilna Gaon (Rabbi Elijah Ben Shlomo Zalman [1720–1797]), and his ashes were interred in the relocated grave of the Vilna Gaon in Vilna...
 
4:08 AM
@IsaacMoses Stole my link. :D
 
@IsaacMoses It was common for the church to do these things , not countries
 
Apostasy (; (apostasia), 'a defection or revolt') is the formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation of a religion by a person. One who commits apostasy (or who apostatises) is known as an apostate. The term apostasy is used by sociologists to mean renunciation and criticism of, or opposition to, a person's former religion, in a technical sense and without pejorative connotation. The term is occasionally also used metaphorically to refer to renunciation of a non-religious belief or cause, such as a political party, brain trust, or a sports team. Apostasy is generally not...
These are countries where conversion is still outlawed.
@Islam Church law was the country's law.
@Islam Not specific to Jews, no. But Jews were the most common victims of this.
 
Sol Hachuel (1817, Tangier–1834, Fes) was a Jewish heroine, who was publicly beheaded when she was 17 years old. She was executed for alleged apostasy from Islam—apparently without ever having converted to Islam. She once said: Hachuel's sacrifice served as an inspiration to painters and writers. One of the most detailed accounts, based on interviews with eyewitnesses, was written by Eugenio Maria Romero. His book [http://books.google.com/books?id=1AoQfRleFTcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=El+Martirio+de+la+j%C3%B3ven+Hachuel,+%C3%B3,+La+heroina+hebrea&hl=en&ei=i0wdTKHEEML58AbrpJTIDA&sa=X...
 
@HodofHod Ya, even non trinitarian christians were burned on the stake by the church , entire non trinitarian judeo group was systematically massacred
 
@Islam Yep. I'm not saying that it was a law just for Jews, but Jews were, for most of recent history, the only group to which conversion was apostasy everywhere.
 
4:16 AM
and now while the protestants have done a commendable job to abate the church , they have failed to shrug of the legacy of the early church which was the foundation of all corruption.
 
I.e., there was almost no time or place in which a non-Jew could convert to Judasim until relatively recently
 
@HodofHod ... [safely] ...
 
Right.
 
But Judaism also has laws to push apostates \ heretics in a pit
And apart from converting to Bni Noah , does Judaism prefer that Christians convert to Islam?
and wanted to know whether a Non practicing Jew is more virtuous or a Practicing Muslim according to the Jewish Halacha?
 
 
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5:41 AM
@Islam We're not making a value judgement here; just pointing out a historical trend and its bases.
@Islam We leave God to decide that.
 
 
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6:48 PM
@HodofHod I don't think you need the word "recent" in that sentence.
 
7:09 PM
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Q: Automatic duplicate-post notice shouldn't count as a revision to reopen-queue a question

msh210Question 16050 is on the reopen queue because it "was edited after it was closed" (quoting from that page, emphasis in the original). In fact, the only revision after closure-as-duplicate was revision 4, Community's adding a notice indicating the duplicate. I think that that edit should not count...

 
 
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9:09 PM
@Islam This is referring only to people who were a threat to the lives of other Jews. During that period, apostates would commonly slander other Jews to government officials, and those Jews would resultantly be executed for crimes they did not commit. Judaism does not advocate throwing people into pits for their beliefs.
 
9:43 PM
@MonicaCellio Yikes! I did mean "does not". I hope this won't be taken by @Islam as proof of his point. :/
 
@Fred I don't normally do this, but do you want me to edit it for you just to be really clear?
 
@MonicaCellio That'd be great. Thanks.
 
@MonicaCellio FWIW, correcting an author-acknowledged typo that introduces a significant sign error in a recent chat message that has not yet been the basis of a discussion is a slam-dunk for appropriate use of powers, IMO
 
@IsaacMoses thanks. And now that I think about it, chat edits have an edit history (unlike comment edits), so I don't feel so bad about that now.
 
@MonicaCellio Oh, publicly-viewable, even.
@MonicaCellio FTR, I'd support the same behavior if all of those characteristics were held constant, except that it was a comment rather than a chat message. Given these circumstances, I see zero potential harm from such an edit.
 

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