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3:50 AM
@set short versions of names don't work as well as full names. see meta.scifi.stackexchange.com/a/939
 
@DoubleAA you tying teimoni way now?
:)
 
4:21 AM
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob Tefillin? No. I had asked if they wrap in or out and you gave me a video. So I had to watch it and mirror it in order to get my answer.
 
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Q: Should the "alacrity-for-mitzvot" tag exist? If so, what should its scope be?

unforgettableidShould the alacrity-for-mitzvot tag exist? If so, what should its scope be? Please propose a tag wiki that you'd like us to attach to the tag.

 
 
9 hours later…
1:45 PM
Whatever the meaning of is, there should be a tag wiki written for it
 
 
2 hours later…
3:50 PM
@Daniel The use of the tag is even worse now that mentioned in that Meta question. now it's been used also for "should I do X before Y or Y before X?". Lemme comment there....
 
@msh210 Yeah, that's why I brought it up
priorities is not a very helpful name
I would advocate renaming it
 
@Daniel Sounds good. Wanna answer there?
 
@msh210 Sure. Do you have any suggestions for a new name
I'm thinking something like hierarchy-of-importance but that's not a very memorable tag name
 
@Daniel Tag names need not necessarily be memorable: people can use memorable synonyms.
 
@msh210 ok I answered the question
 
4:02 PM
@Daniel Thanks.
 
4:13 PM
Wow, I never realized that you can click on the little number that appears on the gravatar in chat to make the notification go away
Good to know haha :)
 
Ali
Hi, regarding this chat transcript what are the evidences for it?
 
@Ali If you wish to know evidence for women's not being considered valid witnesses, I can think of two options: you can ask, in that chat room, the person who made that claim, or you can ask on Mi Yodeya. Asking here seems okay also, though, but less likely to get you a good answer.
 
@msh210 I like that
 
(Caveat, I didn't read that transcript: only that one message in it.)
@Daniel I don't. Really. But it seems possibly better than .
 
Ali
4:17 PM
@msh210 You have banned me from asking questions :)
 
@Ali Then I guess that option's out.
 
Ali
Is it possible to remove the ban?
it is a 1 year ban!
 
@Ali No.
@Ali It is well-deserved.
@Ali It looks as though it should be in Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Mishpat 33, but I haven't checked there. HTH.
 
Ali
Is it a Rabbinic law?
 
Ali
4:23 PM
or a torah law
@Daniel thanks
 
at the bottom of page 102 in the pdf
 
@Ali I don't know.
 
Ali
thats intersting,
 
the discussion continues for a few pages
I don't know if it's a biblical or rabbinic law
 
Ali
so women would also not be allowed to become rabbini?
 
4:25 PM
Although, based on my reading of the Talmud there, it seems that they argue that it is a biblical law
 
Ali
or group leader?
 
@Ali What do you mean group leader?
 
@Ali Those have nothing to do with testimony in court.
 
@msh210 Anu 'Ameilim VeHeim 'Ameilim.
 
Ali
can they become rabbini?
 
4:28 PM
@Ali The Shulchan Aruch says that women should not have a position of authority over a community
 
@Ali "Rabbi" the 'degree' (certificate) or "rabbi" the title ('Rabbi Smith') or "rabbi" the employment (leader of a synagogue, or chaplain)? For any of those, the answer is approximately "no" (in orthodox Judaism), but considerations differ.
 
@Ali Witnesses and positions of religious authority are separate responsibilities.
 
Ali
So can a female be a moderator here?
 
@Ali Yes
we have (at least) one
 
@Ali That is not a position of religious authority.
 
4:30 PM
@SethJ @Daniel It's a good question, though.
 
Ali
It clearly is
 
@Ali It clearly is not.
 
@Ali I'd like to strongly concur with what @msh210 said. The word "rabbi" is not a precise word. We use many it for many differnt things
 
Ali
most of the jews come to this site for knowledge
 
@Ali Very much not. We are very careful to indicate that people should not use this site for practical advice
And that they should ask a competent halakhic authority before making important decisions
 
Ali
4:32 PM
Thats like a statutory warning we find on ciggaratte boxes
 
@Ali You are not the first to state this opinion, but the FAQ and mission statement here expressly state otherwise.
 
@Ali People would do well to heed the warning on cigarette boxes, also.
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@msh210 I think we already have that question
 
@Daniel I thought we did but judaism.stackexchange.com/search?q=[women]+moderator doesn't show it.
 
@Daniel Where?
 
4:33 PM
@Daniel Here it is:
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Q: Are our moderators legal?

LeitzWe know there is a famous Drash of "Som Tasim Alecha Melech". From here we have several Diyukim: Melech velo Malka - How do we have a woman mod? Melech (singular) - we can only have one mod. How do we have 3? If they are not legal, is there Dina D'Malchusa regarding stackexchange? Do I have t...

 
nvm, you beat me to it
 
Mods are more like garbagemen than leaders anyway.
 
Ali
its a purim question
 
@Ali We cannot control what people do with the information found on this site. But we are not making claims of religious authority
 
Ali
not a real one
 
4:34 PM
@Ali Because it's a ridiculous question
 
Ali
I think this site does reflect a better authority then rabbis
 
@Ali You would.
 
@Ali That might be due to your lack of experience with rabbis.
 
Ali
one could trust the consesus of this site over rabbis?
 
@Daniel I'm not sure it is. There is a question of whether a woman can be a synagogue president.
 
4:35 PM
@Ali Absolutely not.
 
@Ali All of our answers are based on Rabbis anyway
 
@Ali The site says not to. Russels paradox
 
@msh210 That's a question of Serarah. And not everyone agrees.
 
In the foundations of mathematics, Russell's paradox (also known as Russell's antinomy), discovered by Bertrand Russell in 1901, showed that the naive set theory created by Georg Cantor leads to a contradiction. The same paradox had been discovered a year before by Ernst Zermelo but he did not publish the idea, which remained known only to Hilbert, Husserl and other members of the University of Göttingen. According to naive set theory, any definable collection is a set. Let R be the set of all sets that are not members of themselves. If R qualifies as a member of itself, it would contradi...
 
@SethJ Not everyone agrees there's a question? :-) But, yes, it's because of s'rara. Might the same not apply here?
I'm not saying it does. I think it doesn't. I'm just saying the question is not ridiculous.
 
4:37 PM
@msh210 If it can be applied, it's in a much looser definition, I would think. I actually think that there's more of a chance of the site being banned altogether before an objection is raised that we have a female mod.
 
Ali
what reason is given , for not allowing women as leaders?
 
@msh210 (Not everyone agrees that a woman can't be a Shul president.)
 
Ali
is it a torah prohibition?
 
@Ali Why do you care whether everything is a torah or rabbinic prohibition
 
@SethJ :-)
 
4:38 PM
You don't follow either, so you don't have to reject things based on their being rabbinic
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@SethJ (Yeah, I knew what you meant.) All I'd said was that it's a question.
 
@SethJ Weren't you all at that conference at citi field?
:)
 
@Ali On that particular issue, like synagogue president? No, I don't think so (unless I'm mistaken). On rabbis? Questionable. On witnesses? Probably not explicitly, but derived as a definition therefrom.
 
Ali
i guess reform judasim allows itr
 
@Daniel I missed it, I'm afraid. I read about it on the Internet, though.
 
4:40 PM
@msh210 Yeah, me too :)
 
@msh210 :)
 
I had a feeling that I wasn't going to find a lot of people here who were there
 
If the prohibition on serarah is based on melech velo malka, it might be a bittul aseh deoraita.
 
Hey, Daniel, do you mind if I ask what Shul you attend? I'm wondering if you might be around when I'm in town.
 
@Ali Female rabbis? Yes. Or, at least URJ does.
 
4:40 PM
@SethJ I usually attend the Northwestern University Orthodox minyan
Although it depends on when you're coming
 
Ali
Does the talmudical doc give some other benifits of not having women leaders
 
Because I recently moved away from Evanston, and once the school year ends, I probably will stop going back to campus for Shabbos
I haven't decided which shul in West Rogers Park I will attend yet
 
Ali
also what about feminine men becoming leaders?
 
@SethJ But feel free to email me when you're coming
 
@Daniel Ah. I'm not going to be out that way. I'm wondering if I can indicate my travel dates to you without broadcasting to the whole internets. You want to send me a fake email address again?
 
4:42 PM
@SethJ Perhaps @msh210 can give you my real one?
@msh210 not the one that you originally sent to me, but the one I replied from
 
@Daniel Here in chat? Sure, coming right up. :-)
 
@msh210 Oh wait, @SethJ I think I replied to you the last time you emailed me
 
@Daniel Those coincide.
 
Quick, guys, I just saw a funny headline about a Saudi prince suing a tabloid for stating he is only worth $20 billion. Where's that Derashah about why we can't start praising HaShem with our own unique praises not found in the Torah?
@Daniel OK, wait. I'll go look in my email.
 
@msh210 Then you must have my real address
 
4:45 PM
@SethJ Megillah 26 or so
with parallels in RH and brachot iinm
 
@Daniel I must have something that was a real address of yours at the time, yes. (And there's at least one sheep in Scotland, and at least one side of it is black.)
 
@Daniel The gmail one?
 
@SethJ yep
 
Ali
Hi @ShmuelBrin
 
4:47 PM
@DoubleAA ההוא דנחית קמיה דרבי חנינא אמר האל הגדול הגבור והנורא האדיר והחזק והאמיץ אמר ליה סיימתינהו לשבחיה דמרך השתא הני תלתא אי לאו דכתבינהו משה באורייתא ואתו כנסת הגדולה ותקנינהו אנן לא אמרינן להו ואת אמרת כולי האי משל לאדם שהיו לו אלף אלפי אלפים דינרי זהב והיו מקלסין אותו (באלף) דינרי כסף לא גנאי הוא לו
 
@Ali hello
 
Ali
are there any rabbis out here?
 
@Ali Where do you live?
 
Ali
Mumbai
You?
 
@Ali There was at least one. I don't know about now.
 
Ali
4:48 PM
there is a synagogue near my house though
 
@msh210 :(
 
Ali
mostly abandoned and its adjoining places used by Muslim functions
 
@SethJ Brachos in the 5th perek IIRC
 
@Ali Is it this one?
 
Ali
No thats a Chabad
it was not a synaguge
 
4:51 PM
@Ali Chabads are synagogues.
 
@Ali Wikipedia differs, but what do I know.
@SethJ Not all are.
 
Ali
I thought chabad is a sect
 
@Ali And they have synagogues
 
@msh210 ?
 
Ali
which is considered heretical by orthodox
 
4:51 PM
@msh210 Isn't that the point?
@Ali No, not necessarily.
 
@Ali Some members or Chabad are considered heretical by some orthodox jews.
 
@SethJ You seemed to be saying if it's a Chabad then it's a synagogue.
 
@msh210 I haven't heard of a Chabad that wasn't.
 
Ali
It was at nariman house
not a synagouge
 
@SethJ schools
 
4:54 PM
@msh210 (I'm assuming we're talking about a Beis Chabad. Not a home or something.)
 
Ali
So are there any rabbis here?
on this site?
 
6 mins ago, by msh210
@Ali There was at least one. I don't know about now.
@Ali Oh! Yes.
 
A synagogue, also spelled synagog (from Greek: transliterated synagogē, meaning "assembly"; beyt knesset, meaning "house of assembly"; beyt t'fila, meaning "house of prayer"; shul; esnoga; kal) is a Jewish house of prayer. When broken down, the word could also mean "learning together" (from the Greek συν syn, together, and αγωγή agogé, learning or training). Synagogues have a large hall for prayer (the main sanctuary), and can also have smaller rooms for study and sometimes a social hall and offices. Some have a separate room for Torah study, called the beit midrash(Sfard) "beis ...
 
@SethJ In at least some communities, there is a separate shul, and the shaliach's home is called "bes Chabad" and is open to the public for various functions like Shabas meals.
@DoubleAA Hm?
 
4:56 PM
OK, I have to go.
TZT and ShSh all!
 
@msh210 'twas an above average week.
 
@SethJ You too.
 
Ali
Do you prostrations in synagouge?
 
@msh210 You might enjoy one question in particular there.
 
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob you're being paged.
 
4:57 PM
@SethJ You might enjoy a different question in particular ther.
 
@DoubleAA Which? I read al the questions (not all the answers) and none caught my eye.
 
@Ali Most Jews do not do so with any frequency.
 
@DoubleAA ah
@DoubleAA The shiduch question amuses me.
 
@msh210 It amused me as well, and I imagine it will amuse @SethJ
 
5:00 PM
@DoubleAA (Not that I went to YHE.)
Incidentally, why does everyone call it "Gush"?
 
Ali
19 mins ago, by Ali
also what about feminine men becoming leaders?
 
@msh210 I see no reason to assume that would be a prerequisite for amusement here.
 
Did it use to be called "Y. Gush Etzyon"?
 
@msh210 It's located in a region called Gush Etzion.
@msh210 Not that I'm aware of.
 
@DoubleAA I know, but... so?
 
Ali
5:01 PM
need to go , but do let me know about women as leaders?
 
@msh210 Like saying you went to school in Ithaca.
I suppose.
 
@DoubleAA Ah! So the school is not actually being called Gush.
 
@msh210 I've heard in Hebrew: ישיבת הגוש "The Yeshiva of the Gush"
 
@DoubleAA To which the proper reply is "Eze? Katif?".
 
I think in modern Israeli parlance, an unqualified statement of "the bloc" = "HaGush" means Gush Etziyon. Perhaps I am mistaken though.
Sort of like The City to a New Yorker.
 
5:06 PM
@DoubleAA Okay.
Wow. Three people independently referred me to a recent news story about someone offering a million dollars for a number-theory proof. As if, by virtue of my being a mathematician, I could just look at it and, poof, there's the proof.
 
@msh210 For a million dollars, I'm guessing that technique is worth a try.
 
@DoubleAA :-) I did. For about one minute. Then I figured, "nah, gotta do some elliptic-curve stuff, and I don't know anything about them, so... bye-bye".
(My degree is in topology.)
 
@msh210 So?
In number theory, Hillel Furstenberg's proof of the infinitude of primes is a celebrated topological proof that the integers contain infinitely many prime numbers. When examined closely, the proof is less a statement about topology than a statement about certain properties of arithmetic sequences. Unlike Euclid's classical proof, Furstenberg's proof is a proof by contradiction. The proof was published in 1955 in the American Mathematical Monthly while Furstenberg was still an undergraduate student at Yeshiva University. Furstenberg's proof Define a topology on the integers Z, called the...
 
@DoubleAA Touché. :-)
If anyone wants to try, the problem is
Beal's conjecture is a conjecture in number theory proposed by Andrew Beal in 1993. While investigating generalizations of Fermat's last theorem in 1993, Beal formulated the following conjecture: :If :: A^x +B^y = C^z, :where A, B, C, x, y, and z are positive integers with x, y, z > 2, then A, B, and C have a common prime factor. For a proof or counterexample published in a refereed journal, Beal initially offered a prize of US $5,000 in 1997, rising to $50,000 over ten years, but has since raised it to US $1,000,000. Examples To illustrate, the solution 33 + 63 = 35 has bases with...
And more are
The Millennium Prize Problems are seven problems in mathematics that were stated by the Clay Mathematics Institute in 2000. As of May 2013, six of the problems remain unsolved. A correct solution to any of the problems results in a US$1,000,000 prize (sometimes called a Millennium Prize) being awarded by the institute. The Poincaré conjecture, the only Millennium Prize Problem to be solved so far, was solved by Grigori Perelman, but he declined the award in 2010. P versus NP The question is whether, for all problems for which an algorithm can verify a given solution quickly (that is,...
 
@msh210 Not exactly, but sort of like how people sometimes come to me with ideas for inventions, with the implied assumption that since I'm an engineer (by college major, at least), if I'd just implement their idea, I'd make millions.
 
5:17 PM
@IsaacMoses I should clarify that I don't mind people's coming to me with this news. None of them knows my field of math, so, for all they knew, this might have been right up my alley.
Hm, actually 7^3+5^8=3^11, so I guess Beal's conjecture is incorrect.
 
? no it doesnt
 
@DoubleAA Just a joke. As if I could disprove it that easily.
(Actually, 7^3 ends in a 3 (is 3 mod 10), 5^8 ends in a 5, and 3^11 ends in a 7, so what I wrote can't hold.)
 
@msh210 It might just take a lucky guess.
 
@DoubleAA Yes, but not with low numbers like that: those and many more have already been tried by computer.
 
@msh210 Generally speaking, anything for which a $1M prize is offered is a) decidedly non-trivial and b) already familiar to people in the relevant [sub-]field. Of course, that's not to say that the people who come to you with the news don't mean well.
 
5:22 PM
@IsaacMoses I'm sure they did.
 
@DoubleAA Perhaps, but barely if so. The a priori expectation of money collected is probably much less than the cost of the time it takes to look and hope for poof.
... of course, there are other good reasons to look that have nothing to do with the money
 
@IsaacMoses Indeed. On the other hand, my time spent mentioning and discussing it here could have been spent on thinking about a proof/counterexample instead.
 
@msh210 I thought that forgone time spent with the MY community was the chief driver of the cost of time spent doing other things
 
@IsaacMoses :-)
 
False alarm. I'm still here for a little while longer (not much).
@DoubleAA I find many of the questions on his site interesting. To which are you referring?
 
5:36 PM
@SethJ In the set I linked to? I found most of them this time interesting, but only one made me laugh.
 
@DoubleAA In general. Which one am I laughing at?
YHE?
I hope the questioner was a woman.
 
@SethJ lol
 
@SethJ I don't have a pager :(
Sorry that is for @msh210
@msh210 what can I do for you ahHee
 
Hello, everyone!
 
5:54 PM
57 mins ago, by Ali
Do you prostrations in synagouge?
57 mins ago, by msh210
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob you're being paged.
:-)
@Charlie Boa tarde!
 
@msh210 I did on Yom Kippur n rosh Hashono as every one does. I did real prostration for the admidho in shul once only. But I will begin doing it full time soon. Ba3zrath HaShem
I pray home n do it all the time
 
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A: Must one pray with a minyan?

Gershon Goldאגרות משה או"ח ח"ב סי' כז says that the fact that one has to go out of his way to Daven with a Minyan proves that it is a requirement.

 
6:18 PM
א תְּפִלַּת הַצִּבּוּר, נִשְׁמַעַת תָּמִיד; וְאַפִלּוּ הָיוּ בָּהֶן חַטָּאִים, אֵין הַקָּדוֹשׁ בָּרוּךְ הוּא מוֹאֵס תְּפִלָּתָן שֶׁלָּרַבִּים. לְפִיכָּךְ צָרִיךְ אָדָם לְשַׁתַּף עַצְמוֹ עִם הַצִּבּוּר, וְלֹא יִתְפַּלַּל יְחִידִי, כָּל זְמָן שֶׁיָּכוֹל לְהִתְפַּלַּל בַּצִּבּוּר.
וּלְעוֹלָם יַשְׁכִּים אָדָם וְיַעְרִיב לְבֵית הַכְּנֶסֶת, שְׁאֵין תְּפִלָּתוֹ שֶׁלָּאָדָם נִשְׁמַעַת בְּכָל עֵת, אֵלָא בְּבֵית הַכְּנֶסֶת. וְכָל מִי שֶׁיֵּשׁ לוֹ בֵּית הַכְּנֶסֶת בְּעִירוֹ, וְאֵינוּ נִכְנָס לְתוֹכָהּ לְהִתְפַּלַּל--נִקְרָא שָׁכֵן רָע.
 
Someone's spreading Christian propaganda, ostensibly "Jewish", to the Jewish houses in my neighborhood. That kind of proselytizing is bad enough, but with this one, any moderately-literate reader could spot it for what it was in about 3 seconds. So not only do they think I'll fall for it but they think I'm that stupid or gullible? Hmpf.
Well, I guess I don't mind them wasting their money making DVDs and books for the landfill, but I kinda resent the time I had to spend paging through the Hebrew quotes in the book to look for uses of the divine name before tossing in the trash.
 
@MonicaCellio reminds me of this recent report by a redditor
 
@IsaacMoses whoa. That's the package I got! Thanks for the reddit pointer. Interesting comments there.
 
@MonicaCellio Maybe you and that redditor (also an occasional yodeyan IINM) live in the same area, or maybe you're contending with a national publisher
 
@MonicaCellio AFAIK no need, but CYR.
 
6:25 PM
@IsaacMoses what's your name on reddit? ;)
Yiu guys need to join #reddit-judaism it.
On freenode
you can join me and other yidden :)
 
@IsaacMoses oh, I didn't notice the poster. He does not say on his MY user page where he lives. :-(
 
@msh210 you really should learn portuguese! I'm trying to convince someone to do so
 
@msh210 I believe a sefer Torah written by a heretic is burned, so the same may apply to such literature
 
@IsaacMoses ...and distribution plan.
 
@msh210 yup, I set it aside. (Got tired of squinting at small text.) The rest of the package went into the trash.
 
6:27 PM
@IsaacMoses Precisely my thinking.
@MonicaCellio No, I meant: I suspect you can trash it. See what Isaac just wrote.
 
@msh210 ah, good point @IsaacMoses.
 
@MoriDoweedhYaAgob How do you know that I don't just lurk there?
 
:O
Do you see me talking there? ;)
 
@Charlie Talvez tentarei. :-)
 
@MonicaCellio hi, Monica ,.how are you?
 
6:29 PM
Im the most famous person there
 
@msh210 Ótimo! Fico feliz :)
 
@MonicaCellio reddit.com/r/Judaism/comments/1fd7gy/… implies NY, I think
 
@Charlie Mas, provavelmente não tentarei. :-)
 
@msh210 Google says you misspelled the last word
 
@IsaacMoses yup, that makes sense. So I guess it's a broader campaign.
@Charlie hello! Well, and you?
 
6:34 PM
@IsaacMoses But I say I fixed it before you posted that.
 
@msh210 harumph. I was just about to ask if you were denoting a space called I or something
 
@IsaacMoses The unit interval, of course.
Or an index set, I guess.
@Charlie, is "vai tentar" more natural than conjugating the verb?
 
@msh210 "vou tentar" which is the first person
Yes it's more common
 
@Charlie er, yes, of course.
@Charlie Okay, thanks.
 
@MonicaCellio I'm.fine, thanks
@msh210 no problem, anything just ask. It really looks like hebrew, portuguese, I mean
 
6:51 PM
@Charlie Well, kinda. Hebrew conjugates its verbs for gender. I don't think Portuguese does, does it? Plus, Hebrew has a whole system of (usually three-letter) verb roots that have multiple methods of conjugating, whereas most languages (Portuguese included?) have essentially only one way to conjugate each verb. It's like Hebrew in that -- unlike English -- you actually conjugate verbs. Are there other ways you had in mind?
@Charlie, how is Portuguese for cases? Do you use a different form of the noun for 'car' when you say 'it's on top of my car' versus 'it's in my car' versus 'driving my car' versus 'my car is black' versus 'I bought my car in 2011', or are those all the same word?
 
@msh210 it has it's differences,although I am studying hebrew in english, I find many similarities, which I may say , does not interfere
 
@Charlie Hopefully it eases your study.
 
@msh210 no, it's the same.
@msh210 yes it does :)
 
@Charlie Ah. Languages in which they're different are more fun. I say that without actually knowing any such language. :-) (Latin is one: but I know no Latin.)
 
@msh210 portuguese is not hard, it's kinda simple
 
7:00 PM
@Charlie It looks interesting and not terribly hard, but I have no plans to take the time to learn it.
 
@msh210 ok, feel free :)
 
@Charlie I may, however, keep asking you questions. :-) If that's all right.
 
@msh210 it would be a pleasure
 
@Charlie valeu
todos: Bom sábado, tchau
 

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