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Challenger5

00:05

Could you pull Dreaderef again? I corrected the second "Hello, World!" and in the process fixed a few bugs.

Dennis

00:46

@Challenger5 Syncing.

Challenger5

Alright, thanks!

Potato44

01:07

@Dennis I have made a shorter and more "idiomatic" Archway2 hello world.
Golfier vertical version: https://tio.run/##dU8xDgMxCNvzCu8WIHWOeEmWU5fOXap7fQrcqZcbiqxgGWIn2/v5@mz7Y07AGkBxVxcR5VGaRN2Ly1LaA3qpv2EuazvsBMCI3htMGphioKea@rA2wCCey2fnva8Xpez6gljyOvmf@5KF05hXQAwN9d6K4Q3G@gptzi8
Slightly more easy to read Horizontal version: https://tio.run/##nZA7DoAwCEB3TtGdAIlzw0lYGhdnF@PpK/VXa4wxvv6gfFpIYz9Mae5yDn8wOCSBD97PsXI7G6SRBKqu6NjjQ6Tow/fVTJFElZWIGDe4CKxrCqYLHH1yvT2NxZkh7PFi9RMlybaiQ4KXOqJrgNI2wd57ZDkv

Dennis

01:46

@Potato44 Nice. Thank you!

Dennis

02:16

@SocraticPhoenix tio.run/##K87ISyz4/7@gKDOvJCdPQ8kjNScnX0chPL8oJ0VRSfP/fwA

I've classified Shnap as practical for now. Is that assessment correct?

Socratic Phoenix

@Dennis it's supposed to be practical, yes! Thank you very much!

Dennis

03:09

@Pavel I tried, but the Makefile is basically a fork bomb.

@ConorO'Brien Is it brainbash or Brainbash?

Btw there are some warnings:

brainbash.c: In function ‘tape_display’:
brainbash.c:76:25: warning: format ‘%lli’ expects argument of type ‘long long int’, but argument 4 has type ‘int64_t {aka long int}’ [-Wformat=]
         printf(" %s%-*lli\x1b[0m ", j == t->ptr ? "\x1b[33m>" : " ", 4, tape_get_at(t, j));
                    ~~~~~^                                               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                    %-*li
brainbash.c: In function ‘brainbash_exec_instruction’:
brainbash.c:210:24: warning: format ‘%lli’ expects argument of type ‘long long int’, but argument 2 has type ‘int64_t {aka long int}’ [-Wformat=]

int64_t being long long is a Windows thing. You could cast the argument to (long long) or use the macro PRIi64 instead of lli.

LyricLy

03:25

@Dennis Could you pull Ly?

Conor O'Brien

@Dennis Oh, ok. I'll fix that when I get back to my computer. It's Brainbash, thanks

Oh and lli doesn't actually work on windows normally , I have to use a flag to be compliant with some standard

Dennis

@LyricLy Syncing.

@ConorO'Brien tio.run/…

Conor O'Brien

Thanks! I'll try and see if a shorter hello world exists utilizing the other tape, though I doubt it

Dennis

03:41

I bet there's a shorter one, but since the 87 byte solution was found by primo's BF crunch, it won't be trivial to beat.

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Dennis

05:52

→ 12 messages moved to Jelly

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Zacharý

16:38

@Dennis, it's finally time for MY to be added to tio.run! link to repo, Hello World program: 27á'←1Aá'←8Aá'2×←1Bá'←44á'←2Ġ'←78á'←1Bá'←4Bá'←8Aá'←AȦ'←33á'←. The code is in main.py, MY code is executed using the RunCode function. Either python2 (preferably) or python3 with sympy and numpy are required for MY to run.

Dennis

@Zacharý Could you add a wrapper so MY can be run from the command line?

Zacharý

Yeah, I'll try (lol)

Is this acceptable? bitbucket.org/zacharyjtaylor/my-language/src/…

Dennis

That's not a good idea. You'd have to interleave code and input if both come from STDIN.

It would be suitable for a REPL, but not non-interactive use.

Zacharý

So, should I take it as a command-line argument?

Dennis

The best way is usually to take a filename as argument and read from that file.

Zacharý

16:52

Okay, so tio will do the file-work, and MY just has to read from the file?

Dennis

Yes.

Zacharý

bitbucket.org/zacharyjtaylor/my-language/src/…, that acceptable?

Dennis

That should work. You'll need a way to use the code page though if you want to claim low byte counts on PPCG.

Zacharý

I have added the way to use the codepage, is it not working?

(And I still have the raw bytes)

muddyfish

Is it possible for TIO to just feed raw bytes without an encoding to an interpreter?

Dennis

17:03

@Zacharý I haven't tried it yet, but unless I misunderstood something, the file wrapper.py reads from has to be encoded with UTF-8 or similar.

@muddyfish It's not selectable, but some interpreters (GS2, Bubblegum, ELF) get fed raw bytes. This is handled in the wrapper.

Nick Clifford

it looks like the file opening doesn't specify an encoding

Dennis

@NickClifford Yes, but Python has to understand the encoding, and aside from UTF-8 and UTF-16, I can't think of an encoding that handles all characters in

"0123456789ABCDEFωα⊢⊣ɛ⍬ⅈⅇπ𝕓𝕫𝕢𝕣␤⍞⎕’‘_|ȦĠ←↵'⍘±!*₂ₑₓ√¯∠ℜℑṖṄṘṀĖḊ𝔹¬⌊[⌈ℚℝ\"

´⍰?#‌⌶iίι⌽WYḟ⍉∥¹ΣΠΔέηυύnń𝟚℘𝒫PpRrHhTt⍋⍏⍒⍖⍁⍗⍐ū⍸ƒ(fɫ⇤⇥⇠⇢⇷⇹⇸⇺⇼⇻ï⍨+-×÷/\%^áǵ.oōₙ≡≢=≠<≤≥> ,;@à"`.

Nick Clifford

right

is there a Python equivalent of the Ruby File.binread?

because @Zacharý you might be able to use that

muddyfish

How would I best get TIO support for byte input with support for ascii as well or is that not doable yet?

Dennis

Byte and ASCII are pretty much the same thing.

Zacharý

17:10

Dennis, how did you get the encoding to work for Jelly?

Nick Clifford

@Zacharý github.com/DennisMitchell/jelly/blob/master/jelly#L61

Zacharý

So, if I get python to read the file as UTF-8, would the low byte counts be valid?

Dennis

That's code from CLAs, not from a file.

github.com/DennisMitchell/jelly/blob/master/jelly#L49

@Zacharý No.

If you want to claim a byte count of 8, there has to be an 8-byte file that does what you want.

Zacharý

Well, I've got to go to my sister's soccer game, ugh, I'll work on it when I get back.
Ugh

Step Hen

17:30

@Zacharý you can set it up (like, I believe, Dennis does) so there's a flag that does UTF-8 and people can use UTF-8 on TIO, but you also have to have the interpreter be able to read bytes according to your codepage.

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Socratic Phoenix

18:58

@Dennis could you pull Shnap?