Hey @MatthewRead, you sure about that acoustic pickup question?

this? http://music.stackexchange.com/questions/2149/i-have-this-acoustic-guitar-pickup-what-is-a-good-software-for-it

ah no, this one

I agree that audio recording is OT

but pickups, though they are microphones in a sense, should count as equipment in the case of electric instruments

@NReilingh Hmm. Interesting point

ah, perhaps I should have read further

that does seem to be specifically about the recording issue itself

Personally I am beginning to think recording should be on-topic. But given the current scope, I think we have to look more about the purpose of the question (recording) than the components of it

@NReilingh Yeah, that's what I thought.

I guess we can't assume that everything migrated from guitars.SE is implicitly on-topic

did they have recording in their scope, or was that out of bounds even then?

@NReilingh Yeah. I am being fairly strict on these imported questions. I don't think they explicitly had it on-topic, there was a lot of "if it's related to guitars then it's OK even if it should be on Audio" type comments

ah, I see

hm, should we actually migrate that question over to audio.SE?

I suppose it's not a great question to begin with...

@NReilingh Migrating to beta sites is discouraged apart from exceptional circumstances. I've never heard what qualifies, perhaps a question for the Teacher's Lounge

<.< are you allowed to talk about that? :P

haha, I didn't think its existence was a secret ...

It was news to me, at least

anyway, I'm satisfied with that question--it's been thoroughly answered as it is

righto

aha, new post on meta

ooh, fun times. closing that one he mentions was a pretty easy decision though. the question and answers would have been the same regardless of what was drawing that amount of power

Howdy Ian

@MatthewRead Even so, the answers that you get don't determine whether a question is OT or not

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@MatthewRead I disagree -- as @Jduv points out: this invalidates most questions on effects, amplifiers and the life. This material was allowed under guitar.se.com and should remain after the merger. The merger requires a good bit of faith on the part of the active participants from guitars.se.com and if you want them to pick up here, where they left off, showing a little tolerance would be good advice.

@NReilingh Hi.

I think a lot of valid questions related to equipment might have answers about physics or whatever

@NReilingh No, but the appeal to a knowledgebase does. Musicians might know about current draw, but electricians know better. Even if musicians can answer the question -- which they did just fine -- the question doesn't appeal to musical knowledge. It's not the kind of question we're trying to cultivate here.

@Ian Hey, just FYI, you can hit up arrow to edit the last posted message you posted (if I understand correctly what you were going for with the post reply)

@MatthewRead Well, I happen to be both a musician and an EE -- so the expertise exists in the community now that we've been assimilated.

@Nr

@NReilingh thanks. Don't use this chat interface much.

@IanC I totally disagree with "most". The majority of questions I've seen have been about the application of effects and so on, and they're still open. I'm also unwilling to subject Musicians to all the problems Guitars had (it was closed, after all).

@MatthewRead why don't you let the community vote on them instead of acting unilaterally?

@IanC That knowledge is great and useful to have, it may inform your answers about on-topic questions. But the community as a whole still has limited knowledge about electrical engineering.

@MatthewRead Like I said: you are but one opinion here. Leave the community to vote them for closure. That question had zero close votes against it.

@MatthewRead @MatthewRead I'm not sure I follow that logic. Is there precedent regarding how the knowledge of the community informs what questions are and are not on-topic?

@IanC If the community feels strongly they'll vote to re-open. But given our small size and the fact that the imported questions are older than all of ours, the average member is not likely to even see it unless they search for it.

@MatthewRead it shouldn't work that way. It should be the other way around. Especially if you want guitar.se.com people to feel welcome here.

BRB...

@MatthewRead Just going by the activity I've seen you up to recently, I think it would be a good move to be a bit more judicious with question closings at this time.

If for no other reason than you seem to be moving quite a bit faster than the rest of the community for various reasons at the moment. :-)

@NReilingh I'm totally willing to reconsider my decisions, but I need a better reason than "a site with tons of problems, and was closed, allowed this question." If the question's on-topic here and I misunderstood, that's one thing. If it's off-topic but should be on-topic, that's another. I'd love to discuss that.

@NReilingh Hrm, well I do want to get this sorted out quickly. Part of the problem is the few really engaged users we have right now. And obviously I feel strongly that we don't want Guitars' problems to spread here

@MatthewRead more votes to reopen on all of those than your one vote to close -- how's that for a reason? Plus: no votes from any non-mod members of the community to close those questions were cast. And no downvotes on them either.

I agree with @NReilingh. Give it some time and let the community guide your hand.

@MatthewRead guitars problem was a lack of questions being asked. Not the quality of the questions. Guitarists just aren't stackoverflow.com material in general. Most of them like to argue non-science on message boards.

@MatthewRead I'm not totally up to speed on "what caused Guitars.SE to fail;" if there is a reason other than "lack of site traffic," perhaps you should elaborate on that in a meta post re: what mistakes we should not make.

I am: I was a mod and a supporting member. We just couldn't generate any volume.

Also: why can't I reopen those? I have mod tool access with my EP level. That seems odd.

@IanC, @MatthewRead I'm going to reopen the question in question due to the fact that the question and all answers involved equipment that would be familiar only to musicians. Though electricians might have been able to help with the theory, the technology is specific to the music field.

@NReilingh thanks. I do want this merger to succeeded and I think a show of good will towards the incoming questions and members will go a long way towards making it a happy new home for everyone. There'll be a little churn and chaos for a few days while we get it all figured out.

@IanC But why was there a lack of questions? A lot of the SE mods feel strongly that allowing shopping recommendations, random lists, questions that should be on other sites, etc. is disastrous for a site. It discourages the experts we try to attract.

This meta question explains a bit about why those questions are bad and explicitly discouraged here. It's not just my opinion. I drafted that after soliciting help in the mod chatroom and had them review it.

Also: @MatthewRead -- I'm just a few hours North East of you in Ottawa. Nice to meet a fellow Canuck here.

I just finished school in Potsdam, NY; that's close enough, right?

@NReilingh I won't re-close it, but I don't think that's a valid reason to re-open. If the equipment was changed to non-music equipment with the same power draw, or the specifics were left out completely, it would be exactly the same for all intents and purposes.

@MatthewRead For the most part shopping questions were closed. There was one general question that offered sound strategies for evaluating guitars for purchase. It was asked well and the answers were universally true (I'm a bit biased because I had a highly upvoted question that was accepted). But for the most part guitarists like to argue things that are subjective so SE.com scares them.

@IanC Cool :)

@NReilingh honorary Canuck for sure. :)

@MatthewRead regarding lists: community wiki questions can be great. See this thread over at AskDifferent.se.com: apple.stackexchange.com/questions/82/… -- they just need to be handled well (like that one was).

The top three up-voted questions on AskDifferent are actually community wiki questions: apple.stackexchange.com/questions?sort=votes -- and that's a thriving community.

@IanC I'm down with subjective. Just not with only subjective. If the most factual part of a possible answer is "I like this", that's not good.

I guess I should attend the moderator chat casts more often to see what people are saying about the sites I mod! :)

@MatthewRead I don't disagree with you on that.

@IanC I've left some of our highly-upvoted questions like that open. I'll admit I haven't paid as much attention to the votes of the Guitars questions, partly since it seems like many of the users abandoned ship before the migration and don't even know to come here and try again

I've gotta crash -- my kids will be up with the sun. Thanks for the chat on this one guys and for the new home for guitar questions. There are a handful of use who liked guitars.se.com and we're happy it gets to live on in a form. We were interested in the outset at a merge actually. Have a good one!

Thanks Ian, night

guitars.stackexchange.com is a redirect to music.se.com now. So the active users will find it.

Alright, I think I'll hold off on closing more questions and just continue with retagging tomorrow. I'll leave comments on questions I dislike, though :P

@MatthewRead Alright; later.

later

@Kos (hoping you drop in here) regarding your flag on this answer ... I'm not sure which answer was accepted before the merge, but no accepted answers were carried over. It's kind of irrelevant :/ I'm hoping most people will go back and re-accept if appropriate

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@ogerard Yeah, definitely unfortunate. Yet another reason why voting is important, and accepting answers is optional

I may be a little pessismitic, but I do not see how to lift the incoming traffic to music.SE.

Yeah. Attracting people with quality questions only goes so far when you don't have many people to ask questions. I was thinking about reaching out to music students, and then I realized it was the summer term :/

One of the troubles as I see it, is that while most programmers do not keep a programming teacher after, say, college, most musicians keep at least one music teacher for quite a long time from primary school to professional life.

@ogerard If/When they do register, direct them to flag their question or post on meta. A dev (ie, me) can assign ownership of their post to their new account.

And if I don't see it, of course don't hesitate to @lert me and point it out.

hmm yes, perhaps there's a bit of a skew towards answerers instead of questioners. amateur questions and expert answers wouldn't necessarily be bad, but you'd be hard-pressed to keep the experts interested.

I could ask a few more questions on the site, but this is a bit artificial. These are questions I used to ask thirty years ago.

My personal blogs used to have more visits than music.SE currently has when I updated them weekly.

Gaming has a similar issue -- a lot of the top answerers don't ask questions because they're already experienced with playing games and solving puzzles. For them it's not a problem though, since they have lots of traffic and a much smaller spread between beginner and "expert" questions

@ogerard ouch.

Anyway StackExchange sites are really well indexed and crawled by Google. For instance with this query google.fr/… you can find all the 700+ current pages with trace of your activity. Its fascinating that you can lookup all the edits made since the beginning of the site.

that's intense.

hmm, speaking of music, I should go back and look at the recorder question I asked. Forgot I did. >_<

@Rebecca : you should have something to read...

o: hmm now I'm confused.

I think I was part lied to and part maybe didn't research recorder types properly enough.

@ogerard ha, my Parenting account is the first result about me (7th result total) when you just search my name. which is bizarre, because there's no activity. that account was just made when i went over to look at some mod stuff.

@Rebecca: You could perhaps post a photograph of your recorder?

I was led to believe the 2 holes were shown because the lowest 2 holes were actually 2 holes within each other, ie, a smaller diameter hole with a larger diameter hole surrounding it. That...isn't right? They're actually 2 separate holes on some recorders?

):

Ok. I'm trying to find a good angle to take a pic at so that it is clear.

@Matthew : for me, the parenting is the second link when searching on the whole stackexchange.

Ok, let's see if this turned out well enough...

Ok. It's clearly a modern fingering: the hole for the middle finger of the right hand is very small, and there are no double holes for the ring and auricular finger.

@RebeccaChernoff : I cannot read the label at the top.

Ok, had to use an actual camera instead of my iPhone. Need to find my camera charger for any more pics, hrm |:

Zamir seems to have made a wide range of styles

My google-fu is failing at finding a modern fingering chart.

You can probably use this (just ignore notes where you uncover only one of the two holes, c# and d#) dolmetsch.com/gfingeringchart.pdf or mollenhauer.com/images/stories/PDF/Grifftabellen/S-D-DL_EL.pdf or moeck.com/cms/fileadmin/grifftabellen/gt17.pdf and look for german fingering or modern fingering on other resources on the internet.

Congratulations, Rebecca, I do not have this model in my collection. This is a school version probably, that's why it is only one holes for the two last fingers. Zamir Industry seems to have closed shop in 2005.

hmm so I can't play c# or d#?