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8:03 PM
@N3buchadnezzar you mean the problem where the actual problem is not the issue described by the OP? Yes it happens all the time on this site:-)
@PauloCereda Psmith is not my friend
 
@DavidCarlisle Of course he is. :)
 
@PauloCereda Rude about my packages and awful financial advice.
 
@DavidCarlisle <3
 
I think it has to do again with nesting of \comment enviroments, and custom enviroments
 
@DavidCarlisle: are you registered in alt.religion.emacs? :)
 
8:15 PM
@PauloCereda He's at least a bishop there.
 
@egreg ooh! The Bishop!
(^^ link)
 
@PauloCereda :-)
 
@JosephWright I love that sketch, specially the Peter Gunn theme part. :)
@DominicMichaelis 'ello!
 
what does \showboxdepth1 make ?
 
8:23 PM
@DominicMichaelis Levels of material shown by \showbox
 
oh ok and \showboxbreadth100 ?
 
@DominicMichaelis Here's an example:
This is TeX, Version 3.1415926 (TeX Live 2012)
**\tracingonline=1

*\showboxbreadth=1

*\setbox0=\hbox{abc}

*\showbox0
> \box0=
\hbox(6.94444+0.0)x15.27782
.\tenrm a
.etc.

! OK.
<*> \showbox0

?

*\showboxbreadth=100

*\showbox0
> \box0=
\hbox(6.94444+0.0)x15.27782
.\tenrm a
.\tenrm b
.\kern0.27779
.\tenrm c

! OK.
<*> \showbox0
It's the number of the box components that are shown; the rest is "etc."
 
and tracingonline1 says it starts at the first line with the boxes
 
@DominicMichaelis No, it says that the tracing information appears also on the terminal and not only in the log file.
 
do you have any reference for that stuff? i don't want to ask so many questions
 
8:34 PM
@DominicMichaelis TeX by Topic as usual
 
oh great thanks :)
it's normal that it doesn't compile to end when you tell him to make such lists or ?
 
@DominicMichaelis Yes, any \show command uses the same code as for errors.
 
you guys are great :)
 
9:14 PM
@Kurt If you ask a question, I can provide an answer!
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@JosephWright Answer-the-Unanswered sessions are on 23hrs UTC or CET? Hadn’t we changed the time in months with DST? (23 UTC would be 01 CET DST)
 
@Speravir The arrangement up to now has been that the UTC time has been fixed
2100-2300
 
@DavidCarlisle In your answer for highlighting code of diff files do you also have a solution for the first line with these 2 @? tex.stackexchange.com/a/106059
@JosephWright Aah 21 UTC!
 
@Speravir Should be what I scheduled
 
@JosephWright Yes, but I overread the “in your timezone”.
 
9:29 PM
@Speravir you mean portable MiKTeX and external font?
 
@Kurt Yepp.
 
Well, give me a little bit time ...
 
Does this one have an answer different from "Whatever the package authors do"?
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Q: Naming conventions for macro names that include the package name

G. PooreBackground Many packages provide commands that have the full name of the package, or an abbreviation, as part of the command name. Sometimes the package name (or abbreviation) is at the beginning of the command name, and sometimes it is later. For example, many packages provide a settings macr...

 
@Speravir just define a color with @ in its name, instead of the space + and - examples I gave
@egreg could give the "when I were a lad, package names had to be at most 8 letters, and we had to lick the road clean with our tongues" answer.
 
@DavidCarlisle Really? I yesterday failed. Should I have something other done wrong? Let me try out again.
 
9:41 PM
@Speravir well I didn't test it of course. But working from the spec it ought to work:-)
 
@PauloCereda Did you put this funny woman pretending to be an expert?
 
@YiannisLazarides Woman?
 
@Speravir works for me
 
I get this float saying do you want to talk to an expert? advisa.stackexchange... and it has a box with a funny looking woman, if you say yes. I though David was going to pop up:)
 
9:47 PM
Is the "an expert" in the new chat a bot?
 
@Karl'sstudents where is this?
 
The expert looks like a bot answering with random sentences.
 
@DavidCarlisle Copy&paste of your answer, adding \definecolor{color@diff}{rgb}{.5,.5,.5} I get “Undefined color color\diff". Using the environament verbatim results in 36 errors.
 
@Speravir you have a \ in the first column, how did that get there?
@Speravir make sure there is a space before \newcommand
@Karl'sstudents I don't see any expert? (it looks like a pale imitation of emacs M-x doctor from your screenshot)
 
@DavidCarlisle OMG, that's the reason!
 
9:55 PM
@Speravir see had to be user error, ask eightball:-)
 
April 1 guys!! It is past midnight here:) Haha they got me
 
@YiannisLazarides Where?
 
Doha
@Karl'sstudents @Speravir It sounded like Eliza nlp-addiction.com/eliza
 
@DavidCarlisle No, I do not need to ask. I suspected myself the error was me. Perhaps update your answer and add a short note, that everything without these 3 special characters must be indented by at least one space?
 
Ok folks, I am playing with the expert.
 
10:09 PM
Any application that can be written in TeX will eventually be written in TeX.
 
@Speravir Have you seen the question?
 
@Kurt Yes, now! :-)
 
:-)
 
@Speravir well that's diff format, so it should just be true if I wasn't keeping the code short for demonstration purposes I'd not just call colorbox directly but check if the colour was defined first and use white of not then your \ example would have worked and similar other diff formats eg diff -c which uses ! on the first column would be accepted (just not coloured)
@Karl'sstudents so are you also in April?
 
@DavidCarlisle OK, so even more PEBKAC.
 
10:23 PM
@DavidCarlisle Yes.
Jeff Atwood created a new forum system: discourse.org/about
 
@Karl'sstudents The expert looks like April 1st …
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Oh...
 
@Karl'sstudents and we are not in April yet so we have no expert:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :-) the expert is useless. :D
 
@Karl'sstudents well at least we have:
I am the psychotherapist.  Please, describe your problems.  Each time
you are finished talking, type RET twice.

Should I wait up for the tex.sx expert to appear?

Why do you say that?

Because it is still March here.

What makes you believe
because it is still march there?

Windows Calendar would not lie

Maybe your life has something to do with this.

I thought we were talking about tex.sx

Is it because of your plans that you say
i thought you were talking about tex sx?

no

Can you elaborate on that?
emacs M-x doctor
 
10:40 PM
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_least_power seems to be applicable to TeX as well.
 
@DavidCarlisle This looks more like Februar 30th …
 
@Kurt Upvoted and answered.
 
that was fast. Thanks!
 
@Speravir Sounds logicaly, I will try it soon. That should be noticed in the manual ...
 
10:55 PM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Nice. Thanks.
 
@Kurt I had started my answer, as you wrote, you will ask a question.
 
@Speravir I have a few answers here already, just waiting for the right question. ;)
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel ;-) On a serious note: Ask the question yourself. I did that and according to meta.TeX.SX it's absolutely OK.
 
anyone know of a package that allows 2-colum floats on the current page? I'm sure I remember one but don't see anything in my texlive setup) (or perhaps it was l3 experiments)
 
@Speravir I talked with @PeterGrill about a small TikZ library/package I was thinking of creating that resolves around often asked things like special orthogonal lines in
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A: How to draw a return arrow from node-3 to node-1

QrrbrbirlbelThe following answer consists of the qrr-tikz-udlr.sty package file, and a sample code with two TikZ pictures. Save the qrr-tikz-udlr.sty file as it is and place it either in your local texmf tree or in the same folder as your main .tex file. The “package” provides the path operators ud, r...

The correct question would be: "Is there a package or TikZ library that provides often used orthogonal paths." ;)
 
11:02 PM
expert just arrived here:-)
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@DavidCarlisle Seems to be related to April 1.
 
@egreg yes we've been tracking it through the timezones:-)
 
hello all :)
 
@DavidCarlisle How about suggesting to use no floats, using \includegraphics[width=\columnwidth]{...} and to have a look for the placement ...?
 
@Kurt because it doesn't work in 2 col it would either over-print the other column or run off the page depending if it came in 1st or 2nd col
 
11:18 PM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Let @PeterGrill ask, so you can answer and upload to CTAN, and someone can add “This lead to a new package” … ;-)
 
With the width-option overwriting the other column should not happen (I tested it just now and it does not). You are right, that the page off run could happen, of course. One has to correct this by moving the macro \includegraphics. Better this way instead saying there is no floating way?
 
@Kurt oh sorry mis read your comment. But OP doesn't want width=\columnwidth wants width=\textwidth column width floats are not a problem, they can float to top of current col
 
Well, I'm not sure that I understand the long question quite right. For me it seems there is no solution (as I know) with floating ... But I must not be right ...
 
Who wants to nag about \bf? tex.stackexchange.com/q/106264/16595
 
@Kurt all he wants is that figure* acts like figure where [t] allows top of current page.
 
11:29 PM
@Kurt „must not“ heißt „nicht dürfen“.
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel well he's a new user with a good question poking a finger in a sore point of latex, so perhaps not:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle and @Speravir: Ah, I see. My school english ...
 
@Speravir And “breakfast” means „Brechfest“ (in the UK anyway :P).
 
@Kurt It's a reasonable request but requires rewriting half of latex to achieve it:-)
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel LOL.
 
11:33 PM
@Qrrbrbirlbel which google says means crushing hard so either it mis translated or I'm missing something:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I’m just teasing. ;) Having read the question now, I think the FAQ about floats by Martin (I think), would explain that. The two-column-full-width floats had a few disadvantages.
 
@DavidCarlisle Did you perhaps think of @FrankMittelbach’s answer? Placing figures inside a two-column document
@DavidCarlisle @Kurt @Qrrbrbirlbel I think I founfd out, it is a duplicate, cf. my latest comment tex.stackexchange.com/questions/106264/….
 
@DavidCarlisle It is mistranslated. (There is no word "Brechfest" in the German language.) Brechen (although having the same meaning like "to break") is colloquial for "to vomit" and "fest" = "festival" (like in Oktoberfest).
 
11:49 PM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Or "breakfast" means "Brichschnell", sorry couldn't resist ...
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh, in en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/… is the quite new package dblfloatfix mentioned.
 
Attention, TL users!
FYI ... the test builds of the sources for TL'13 are going well enough.
I'm expecting to shut down TL'12 updates for good in about a week.
It'll take at least a few days after that to set up the pretest.
After that will be a goodly period of dealing with whatever bugs are
reported (I expect plenty) and updating the documentation.

I wrote some draft dates on the tug.org/texlive home page, but don't
take them seriously.  It'll take however long it takes, as always.

More announcements as the time comes.
 
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