TeX, LaTeX and Friends

12:00 AM

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\newcommand{\mysection}[2][]{
\refstepcounter{subsection}
\label{art:\arabic{section}:\Alph{subsection}}
\phantomsection
\subsection*{\textit{Section \Alph{subsection}: #2}}
\addcontentsline{toc}{subsection}{\textit{Section \Alph{subsection}: #2}}
}

\ref{art:2:A} returns "B"

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo why can't you replace al that with just using \subsection then you wouldn't need any of the extra code, then just defining the formatting of a subsection head to include teh word Section which appeasr to be the only thing different from teh standard behaviour isn't ot?

Gnintendo

yes but that's a pain in the ass

at any rate

why in the hell is that returning B

it doesn't make any sense to me

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo why? It's one line of code and will automatically work with hyperref rather than lots of lines that don't work?

@Gnintendo You know the drill, MWE :-) (can't guess from that fragment)

texenthusiast

Idea for OP question template is , OS: ?, TeXdistro:? TeX-IDE: ? All updated: ?

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle It was like 30 lines or something to redefine it without totally screwing over the table of contents

or more

and I didn't understand it

(the package)

@DavidCarlisle so from this it should be working, then?

David Carlisle

12:06 AM

@Gnintendo the definition of \subsection in article class is one command on 4 actual lines and it seems to me is all you want to do is copy them and add Section into the last line.

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle I really really really just wnat to figure out why this isn't working at this point

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo well I can't tell from that fragment what the expected result is.

@Gnintendo Ask on site with a full MWE and someone will say (but I'm going to bed:-)

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle the expected result is "A"

@DavidCarlisle can you explain what that fragment label does

because the label is attaching itself to the right item

but it isn't associating itself with the counter associating with that item

it just associates itself with 2 no matter where I put it

and I don't understand why

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo No that's the result you expect, the expectations of the OP don't count on a Q&A site:-)

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle I thought that's what you wanted to know?

also, see: above

@DavidCarlisle I can even simplify

David Carlisle

12:10 AM

@Gnintendo No I can't say what the expected behaviour of tex is because you haven't given enough definitions. If people post a MWE I add \tracingall at the top and then usually can reply fairly quickly. If they just post fragments you just get into circular discussions trying to find out what information hasn't been revealed.

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle pastie.org/private/makcev0moh0xzypyfxfa

warning: all the labels/codes have gotten really awkward since I've been desperately trying to modify them to not make any reference to a section result in not-B

@DavidCarlisle most obviously relevant is on line 120, \ref{vacant} is expected to result in the letter of the section defined on line

125

but it merely results in "B"

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo what's wrong with using tex.sx:-) I might have a look but it's just gone midnight so I might not bother, If you ask a question on site someone more awake might look

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle I don't even feel I know enough to ask a comprehensible question, clearly something very base here is wrong and I have no idea what the hell it is, but it definitely seems related to my use of the counter

David Carlisle

the aux file has \newlabel{vacant}{{B}{4}{\textit {Section \Alph {subsection}: Vacancies\label {vacant}}}{section*.39}{}} see the first two fields that are intended for numerical information are correctly expanded, that's B on page 4, but the hyperref fields storing the name for autoref and friends get the \protected title but as you have put the number in there it isn't expanded so will expand to the value at the time you use the ref. Don't use the * form for numbered sections.

Gnintendo

12:27 AM

hmm

@DavidCarlisle I think I got it behaving like I want:

pastie.org/private/fxxxjg9f2xbl8gxupuag

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo what did you change (can't be bothered to download again:-) (you are missing loads of % from ends of line by the way

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle (wait what, where should I have percents? T.T)

\renewcommand\thesection{\Roman{section}}
\renewcommand\thesubsection{\Alph{subsection}}
\renewcommand\thesubsubsection{\arabic{subsubsection}}

I had that but I had {section} as the definition for every one of those

T.T

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo every line that ends with { or } that's in a definition

Gnintendo

more relevant, where am I missing % signs!?

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo That's why I asked what thesubsection was :-)

Gnintendo

12:37 AM

shh, I'm silly

:<

@DavidCarlisle can you give me an example of a place where I missed it?

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo almost every line:

Gnintendo

@DavidCarlisle I thought it didn't matter in this case?

like, in \newcommand

are you talking about in newcommand?

David Carlisle

\newcommand{\mysubsection}[2][art:\arabic{section}:\Alph{subsection}:\arabic{subsubsection}]{%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
\refstepcounter{subsubsection}%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
\label{sub:#1}%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
\phantomsection
\addcontentsline{toc}{subsubsection}{Subsection \arabic{subsubsection}: #2}%%%%%
\subsubsection*{Subsection \arabic{subsubsection}: #2}%%%%
}

Gnintendo

I didn't think that was necessary

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo would I lie to you?

Gnintendo

12:39 AM

maybe :P

so, what makes those needed here: I understand the first and last ones, but I'm not sure what makes the ones in-between needed, I didn't think there was a space that could be inserted in those commands

David Carlisle

@Gnintendo For a start adding those saves 5 bytes of tex memory, now you may not care about that but I spent weeks going through the latex format removing a space here and a {} there to save a few hundred bytes, so it upsets me, but more importantly if you use your section command before the previous para finishes, ie don't leave a blank line before it those spaces will make space tokens and whether or not they produce space in the output depends on stuff that it's simpler not to worry about