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Rmano

08:53

@samcarter meta.stackexchange.com/questions/395024/… just a comment...

Joseph Wright

09:43

@UlrikeFischer I've pushed updates on the tagpdf branch ...

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright oh, I just finished the tests updates too. I will pull and merge.

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn something changed in gb4e? tex.stackexchange.com/a/38233/1090

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright looks good, I think I can simply delete my local branch. You could move expl3 into it for the test (it should imho give some test failures as the intarray changes font numbers but not much).

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer a theorem anchor point question on the main site (just to make a change:-)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle yes saw it. I will check how one can move it up.

@DavidCarlisle something changed between 2014 and 2015 according to overleaf...

David Carlisle

10:02

@UlrikeFischer yes that;s what I commented :-) it's new@fontshape this has come up before

@UlrikeFischer try \show\mathrm :-)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle yes just saw it too that they redefine it.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer I posted an anwer, possibly I should have used blub

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle clearly!

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer I knew it had come up before, almost identical answer... tex.stackexchange.com/a/709605/1090

Ulrike Fischer

10:28

@DavidCarlisle I wonder if one should start to use the comment function on ctan and leaves remarks and some links to such obvious errors.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer there is an email address in the doc, but I wonder if @AlanMunn knows if it's really still maintained or orphaned now, it hasn't been touched since 2009

@Rmano will be pleased to see the large white image in my answer:-)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle and if it is actually recommended ...

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer linguists obviously should do more math, then these things would get fixed

@UlrikeFischer seems someone at least uses it: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/41?m=63571422#63571422

Alan Munn

12:09

@DavidCarlisle I've emailed Alexis a couple of times about the problem. He's still around, but hasn't fixed it. As for it still being recommended, yes it's still a perfectly good package despite its quirks. I still recommend it over the other popular alternative linguex.

@DavidCarlisle I have an unreleased (to CTAN) version called gb4e-emulate which uses enumitem, but there are sill some issues that I'm not happy with, so I haven't put it on CTAN.

@DavidCarlisle I can try again.

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn or there's github.com/LaTeX-Package-Repositories if he wants to give it up (you could have write access there:-)

Joseph Wright

13:35

@UlrikeFischer A bit later on today

Ulrike Fischer

13:48

@JosephWright ?

cis

Should there be a 'space' after \else or only after \if ?

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle I've sent another email to him, so we'll see if it gets a response. I've offered to take up maintenance and set up a repo for it (which was what I suggested two years ago).

David Carlisle

14:20

@cis the question doesn't have an answer. You only need a space if you want a space.

Alan Munn

15:11

@DavidCarlisle Mail bounced. Not a good sign. Trying alternative methods.

mickep

@AlanMunn A Fax.

David Carlisle

15:29

@AlanMunn oops. the uu.nl address in anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk/mirrors/CTAN/macros/latex/contrib/drs/… ?

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle Yes, that's the one. It used to work.

Alan Munn

15:52

@mickep Carrier pigeon.

cis

16:32

@Skillmon Is it possible to have an NewDocumentCommand like \test[red, blue]{text} (e.g. red above, blue below) with a default-value (e.g. red) in

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{tikz}

% Does not work this way....
%\NewDocumentCommand{\test}{ >{\SplitArgument{2}{,}}O  m }{...}

\NewDocumentCommand{\test}{ O{red} m }{%
\begin{tikzpicture}
\node[minimum size=11mm, draw,
label={[text=#1]up},
label={[text=#1]below:down}
]{#2};
\end{tikzpicture}
}%

\begin{document}
\test{text}

\test[blue]{text}
\end{document}

David Carlisle

16:56

@cis bit weird to use comma separated value but it would work: just split on comma and the test for empty and use red or blue in each case if there is no suppled value

cis

17:07

@DavidCarlisle Ya, but I don't check the syntax... it is not that way:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{tikz}

\NewDocumentCommand{\test}{ >{\SplitArgument{2}{,}}O{red,brown}  m }{%
\begin{tikzpicture}
\node[minimum size=11mm, draw,
label={[text=#1]up},
label={[text=#2]below:down}
]{#3};
\end{tikzpicture}
}%

\begin{document}
\test{text}

\test[blue, red]{text}
\end{document}

LaTeXereXeTaL

If I want to use l3keys for both package options and options for a command within in that package, I do so by subdividing the keys, correct? \keys_define:nn { package } and \keys_define:nn ( package / command } That's what I did last night and it seems to work. Couldn't find anything about this on the main site.

David Carlisle

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{tikz}

\def\setcols#1#2#3\relax{%
  \edef\cola{\IfNoValueTF{#1}{red}{\IfBlankTF{#1}{red}{#1}}}%
  \edef\colb{\IfNoValueTF{#2}{blue}{\IfBlankTF{#2}{blue}{#2}}}%
  }
\NewDocumentCommand{\test}{ >{\SplitArgument{2}{,}}O{}  m }{%
  \begin{tikzpicture}
    \setcols#1\relax
\node[minimum size=11mm, draw,
label={[text=\cola]up},
label={[text=\colb]below:down}
]{#2};
\end{tikzpicture}
}%

\begin{document}
\test{text}

\test[blue]{text}


\test[yellow,pink]{text}

\end{document}

@cis ^^

@LaTeXereXeTaL yes or use the same for both depending what you want to do

LaTeXereXeTaL

@DavidCarlisle Excellent. Took me two days to figure that out.

David Carlisle

@LaTeXereXeTaL if the kevals onthe command are unrelated to the package options, just happen to be defined in that package use a different family *which could be package/command} or anything, it;s only a name, if they are related eg ike \hypersetup{...] is really accessing the package options but from a command, just use the same family

LaTeXereXeTaL

@DavidCarlisle Okay got it. Many thanks!

Off to do yardwork.

cis

18:47

@DavidCarlisle
Wow, way more complicated than I thought.
No idea how I could have pulled that out of the xparse manual.

Thx!

David Carlisle

@cis it doesn't use xparse:-) (current documentation is in texdoc usrguide) but it's not that complicated it just does what you suggested except after splitting on , test for empty or no value and uses the specified default in that case,

Joseph Wright

20:02

@UlrikeFischer Been busy - hoping to check in shortly

cis

21:26

How do you call the property A,1,2,...,10,J,Q,K? "Value"?

David Carlisle

@cis yes, "value" is a bit odd for "king/queen" in normal speech but is normal for cards I think

cis

In German it is called "Farbe" & "Wert".

's/h/d/c' ---> "Farbe" ('color' or sophisticated 'suit')
'A,1,2,...,10,J,Q,K' ---> "Wert" ('value' or 'worth')

David Carlisle

21:52

@cis you could also use "rank" rather than "value" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playing_card (I suspect that's possibly more correct but probably less used in casual card players) I don't know, ask a card player:-)

cis

@DavidCarlisle 'Rank' looks more formaly:

Playing card

A playing card is a piece of specially prepared card stock, heavy paper, thin cardboard, plastic-coated paper, cotton-paper blend, or thin plastic that is marked with distinguishing motifs. Often the front (face) and back of each card has a finish to make handling easier. They are most commonly used for playing card games, and are also used in magic tricks, cardistry, card throwing, and card houses; cards may also be collected. Playing cards are typically palm-sized for convenient handling, and usually are sold together in a set as a deck of cards or pack of cards. The most common type of playing...

David Carlisle

@cis yes

David Carlisle

22:34

@JosephWright not my fault :-) github.com/latex3/graphics-def/actions/runs/8676657943/job/…

Teepeemm

Feature request: go back in time and change the {figure} environment to {floatingfigure} and similarly for {table}.

Ulrike Fischer

22:52

@DavidCarlisle a dvipdfmx test with pdftex -- the graphic-def tests are so weird

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer well they check that they error, and also I think they mostly predate the current version of the l3build config system so it wasn't so easy to have engine-specific tests so simpler just to check in the error cases as passing. there are a couple where the error has changed though whihc seems a bit wrong I'll check in the morning

@UlrikeFischer ah no I see, so I think it's OK

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