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8:46 AM
@Rmano Is circuitikz still aiming to be format-independent? If yes, is it intentional that pgfcircutils.tex uses LaTeX \begin…\end syntax (e.g. github.com/circuitikz/circuitikz/blob/master/tex/… and github.com/circuitikz/circuitikz/blob/master/tex/…)? It just came up on the ConTeXt mailing list.
 
8:56 AM
@TeXnician in principle yes... and you are right, that is basically a bug. My problem is that I know nothing about ConTeXt, but I will happily accept suggestions. Maybe it's just as easy as using \scope \endscope or similar?
 
@Rmano Yes, usually it should be. That's at least TikZ's plain syntax which works across formats.
 
@TeXnician Ok. Now I am in a "bad" moment (exam preparation with a tight deadline) but I will look at it.
 
@Rmano Maybe it would help to set up a simple ConTeXt CI that simply loads circuitikz with a very simple example in a ConTeXt document. So that you would at least notice if the ConTeXt build breaks syntactically.
@Rmano Don't worry. I just tried to relay the mailing list post. Shall I open an issue?
 
@TeXnician Yes, I have one --- but it's clearly too small, it didn't catch this. Also there I can use a bit of help... github.com/circuitikz/circuitikz/blob/master/doc/…
@TeXnician Yes, thanks!
Also I have several macro, like \ctikzflip[x][y]{}... that are LaTeX only, and if somebody can propose an extension, I'll be happy to merge... github.com/circuitikz/circuitikz/blob/master/tex/…
 
@Rmano You mean because of scalebox? Well, that should be easy to do with ConTeXt commands. Let me have a look.
 
 
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10:15 AM
@TeXnician trying with a minimal change --- can somebody test it? github.com/circuitikz/circuitikz/pull/597
 
10:32 AM
@Rmano Interesting, I get an undefined control sequence for \pgfutil@protected. Cannot investigate at the moment, unfortunately.
@Rmano Ah, I see why it didn't catch this. You are probably using the TL-distributed ConTeXt which is quite out of date.
 
11:16 AM
@TeXnician Hmm, this should not happen --- it's defined in PGF, I think?
@TeXnician Yes --- I check with TL-current locally and with the last long-term Ubuntu distribution on GitHub.
 
@Rmano Problem being that Hans really doesn't do releases via TL, rather in the stand-alone ConTeXt distribution
 
@Rmano Yes, in pgfutils-context.def. I don't know why it isn't loaded. Maybe some catcode mix-up. I'll try again later, maybe I'll notice what happens.
@Rmano Ah, yes, so out-of-date and more out-of-date. The user on the mailing list who initially reported this is using LMTX which isn't distributed with TeX Live but is the go-to solution for ConTeXt because it's what is being maintained.
Island of TeX provides Docker images for LMTX if you want to use it in CI: gitlab.com/islandoftex/images/context
 
@TeXnician true but circuitikz can ony be supported on lmtx if pgf/tikz is, so \pgfutil@protected would have to be handled at that level presumably?
 
11:33 AM
This Island of TeX is intriguing... such fantastic hub, with clever developers
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@DavidCarlisle Well, I actually compiled a TikZ ConTeXt document only last week. Let me try if it still works but it definitely did not long ago.
Yeah, TikZ still works without problems.
 
@TeXnician the \pgfutil@protected error rings a bell, but I can't find it now.
 
@PauloCereda ... and so many people talk about IoT, I constantly see headlines about it in the news :)
 
@samcarter We have even a couple subjects taught about it here!
 
@TeXnician is \normalprotected defined in ltmx?
 
11:38 AM
@Rmano :D
 
@UlrikeFischer > \normalprotected=primitive macro\protected, looks good.
 
@samcarter ooh
 
@TeXnician and does ltmx load pgfutil-context.def?
 
@PauloCereda just such a shame that none of their software works?
 
open source     > level 8, order 12, name 'pgfutil-context.def'
close source    > level 8, order 12, name 'pgfutil-context.def'
@UlrikeFischer Apparently yes.
 
11:49 AM
Jul 9 at 11:52, by Skillmon
@Rmano \pgfutil@protected\def is available
..was commented there. If there is a compatibility problem maybe somebody can suggest an addition in github.com/circuitikz/circuitikz/blob/master/tex/…
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
 
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2:42 PM
Hello
any one here for a (hopefully) short question?
 
@tush Yes
 
Great!
Please consider the following style declared with thmtools:

\declaretheoremstyle[
qed={The end.}
]{mystyle}
I want the "The end." string to be on a new line.
 
@samcarter you are quick.. I better do.
A quick look at the answers there and it seems no one there use thmtools and its declaretheoremstyle
```
\declaretheoremstyle[
qed={\raisebox{-\baselineskip}{\llap{The end.}}}
]{mystyle}
```
^actually works.
So thanks @samcarters
 
 
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@Plergux -- I've just read a report of blizzard warnings for Hawai'i (cnn.com/2021/12/03/weather/… ), and wondered what a snowstorm would be like on a volcano. Has it happened in Iceland? (Must have.)
 
5:49 PM
@egreg Hi Prof. I hope that you are well. A favour please. Can you add an answer here, please? math.stackexchange.com/questions/4322241/…
 
6:02 PM
Quick question, which package is updated more often siunitx or easybook? :D
 
@PabloGonzálezL -- CTAN announcements show only 3 entries for easybook (although it's very new), but nearly 40 in the same period for siunitx.
 
@barbarabeeton But at any given moment, it's a safe bet to say that there is at least one easybook entry in ctan.org/incoming :)
 
@barbarabeeton So there is a technical tie :D
 
@PhelypeOleinik -- Given that only three have actually reported through ctan-ann, I suspect that many attempts haven't passed the acceptance tests, and have had to go through (probably minor and formal) adjustments. We know that the same thing has happened to siunitx because it's been reported here by @JosephWright.
 
6:17 PM
@barbarabeeton Could be, but I'm afraid that's not the case. Every other day an easybook update reaches the TeX Live SVN, so I guess the author does silent updates
 
@barbarabeeton well I think I had an easybook update in texlive every day in the last weeks.
 
It's kind of annoying, for whatever reason :)
 
Theoretically, if siunitx continues with the same update cycle it will reach pdfTeX 3.141592653-2.6-1.40.23 numbering by mid 2022? :D
 
@Sebastiano Functions are much more flexible than sequences… ;-)
 
@PhelypeOleinik secret updates, not suitable for ducks :D
 
6:20 PM
Nov 25 at 7:58, by Paulo Cereda
@UlrikeFischer we ducks are very good at finding secrets :)
 
@UlrikeFischer -- Oh. that rather makes one think that ctan-ann may be less trustworthy than hoped.
 
@PhelypeOleinik LOL :D
 
6:37 PM
@barbarabeeton Oh, sure. Many of the volcanoes are under or near glaciers so it's cold there as well. I think some times they even create storms because humidity condenses and creates small weather systems. It probably depends on the type of volcano and type of storm but a proper storm would probably just blast right over a bubbly kind of volcano even though the snow itself would probably melt. But then I have not studied this. I'm only guessing from what little I remember from my weather report days
 
@PhelypeOleinik ooh
 
6:54 PM
@Plergux -- Well, the volcanoes under glaciers were dormant while the glaciers formed. (At least that's a reasonable conclusion.) And when they become active, it's a great mess. What you say about local storms forming sounds logical -- just plain mountains affect weather locally in predictable ways. Thanks for your information.
 
7:06 PM
@barbarabeeton Great mess indeed. There's a place in the south where you can stop and look at a piece of a giant steel bridge swept away by volcanic flood from under the glacier. When you think about the force it would have taken it's pretty scary.
 
@Plergux -- The only good thing that can be said about that is, it's a good thing that it was in a mostly uninhabited area. Has the southern roadway been restored yet?
 
 
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8:39 PM
For some reason I now would like to throw an ice block into the crater of a volcano to see what happens....
 
8:56 PM
@barbarabeeton Yeah, it was quite a while go. Fortunately we fixed it quickly also because it was the only way to get around that way so on either side one would have had to drive almost the whole way around the country to get to the either side. :þ
 
@Plergux -- That's what I figured, but it's good to know for sure. Of course, someone who wanted to get to the eastern end of the island could have gone by water, no? (Not very fast, of course.)
@samcarter -- My guess is that it would vaporize with a nice puff of steam. But you'd better have a good throwing arm -- I'd be a bit hesitant to get too close, and at least one drone was fried by flying too close over the crater. (But the video before failure was pretty impressive! That's the Iceland volcano, not the one at La Palma, which is much less predictable.)
 
9:27 PM
@barbarabeeton Yes, but they still would have had to drive a bit of a way. There are no ports in the south bit. Too shallow and only sand.
@barbarabeeton If it's a big block of ice then you could possibly get an explosion I think. For example scientists think that the island Thera, now Santorini, used to be a whole volcano but basically blew up when cold ocean water flowed into the live volcano. The eruption that is.
 
9:44 PM
@Plergux -- Ah, I hadn't heard that theory. But I do remember that Santorini is one of the purported locations of Atlantis. Some volcanoes, without external help, are innately explosive. Mount St. Helens demonstrated that. Others just keep pouring out lava more or less smoothly -- the difference between aa and pahoehoe lava. Guesses are that the supervolcano under Yellowstone is probably explosive, but many years off. (I hope!)
 
@barbarabeeton I don't think people even connect volcanoes with the US, let alone explosive ones :þ
 
10:03 PM
@Plergux -- There are several prominent ones on the west coast -- Mt. Rainier, Mt. Shasta, Mt. St. Helens are the best known. The Cascade Mountains in the northwest are volcanic. And of course the Yellowstone caldera. The middle of the country used to be a shallow sea; no volcanic activity there. A fair amount of activity in the Caribbean, but of course that's not the U.S., just the general neighborhood.
 
@barbarabeeton Vesuvius, for instance, can be explosive: people at Pompeii discovered it. :-( Its last eruption, during WWII in 1945, was instead effusive. There are images of lava destroying a town.
 
@egreg -- Etna is acting up, isn't it? But not explosively, I don't think. It's often not nice living near a plate boundary. (I find plate tectonics fascinating. It wasn't even recognized until I was out of college, but it makes such good sense.)
 
10:26 PM
@barbarabeeton It's not explosive like Vesuvius or St. Helena, but small explosions may happen. But its lava flows can be quite abundant as history shows. In the 1669 eruption it has been estimated 600 million cubic meters covering about 40 square kilometers on a 17 kilometer length.
 

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