TeX, LaTeX and Friends

3:12 AM

@JosephWright Somehow the full answer to Roland's nominating statement doesn't appear. Some sort of display bug? It seems to be there in the edit history.

CarLaTeX

3:35 AM

@AlanMunn I see the "read more" button and can read the complete answer

Alan Munn

@CarLaTeX I have no such button. (FF 91)

CarLaTeX

@AlanMunn I don't know, I see it both with Chrome and with Edge

Alan Munn

@CarLaTeX I've posted a question on the main meta site. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/370974/…

CarLaTeX

@AlanMunn I see the button even on Firefox 93, but I'm on Windows 10

Alan Munn

3:53 AM

@CarLaTeX I guess we'll have to see if others can replicate it. I also turned off any extra CSS I was using and Greasemonkey but no change.

@CarLaTeX Thanks for testing!

CarLaTeX

@AlanMunn You're welcome!

BAYMAX

4:36 AM

Hi chat!

Alan Munn

@BAYMAX Hello!

BAYMAX

Am wondering about the style of the font used ina beamer slide

please find the attached two types

I actually want the first type

any ideas how to tweak my beamer code so as to get the firs ype

The second one is a very common and I think is a default font in beamer set

Alan Munn

@BAYMAX Beamer uses a sans serif font by default. To use the default serifed font you can add \usefonttheme{serif} to your preamble.

BAYMAX

Thanks

but am wondering about

5 mins ago, by BAYMAX

is this a serif theme @AlanMunn

Alan Munn

@BAYMAX Yes

BAYMAX

4:43 AM

cool

Thanks@AlanMunn !

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Like @CarLaTeX, this one is 'works for me'

Alan Munn

@JosephWright If this is all a conspiracy to get me to use Windows it ain't gonna work.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Just checked with Safari, it looks fine there

Alan Munn

@JosephWright So FF on Mac does work for you?

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Yes, it's my main browser

Alan Munn

4:59 AM

@JosephWright Weird. I wonder what's up with me. I've just tried it on another Mac and same problem.

Joseph Wright

@AlanMunn Hmm, it is strange yes

Rmano

5:44 AM

@AlanMunn I also can see the "read more" button with my Android tablet with Chrome...

David Carlisle

7:13 AM

@BAYMAX serifs are the little bits at the ends of the strokes like the horizontal at the top of b a seriffed font has them and a sans serif font is just French for not having them.

@AlanMunn I see the read read more (FF95 on windows)

samcarter

8:14 AM

@AlanMunn works fine for me with FF 93 on mac big sur

@AlanMunn Are you using any addons? Maybe restart in troubleshoot mode with addons disabled?

@AlanMunn As a workaround, you can read the post here tex.stackexchange.com/posts/619484/revisions and tex.stackexchange.com/posts/619483/revisions

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer I just noticed that the last named person to take the blame for breqn is... you

Paulo Cereda

9:10 AM

@DavidCarlisle ooh

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda is ElectionBot related to Psmith?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle a distant cousin perhaps, one of those boring relatives. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I was tempted to ask it the cricket scores

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh

I need to bring teh bot back

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samcarter

9:34 AM

@PauloCereda we miss you, loyal friend Psmith!

Paulo Cereda

9:56 AM

@samcarter ooh

Joseph Wright

10:14 AM

@MarcelKrüger Looking forward to your additions to l3color ;)

Paulo Cereda

10:58 AM

@samcarter ooh careers.nintendo.com/job-openings

samcarter

@PauloCereda The listing is missing "Duck Ambassador"

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter ooh quack

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda ooh dinner

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh no

Paulo Cereda

11:41 AM

@AlanMunn twitter.com/neurosocialself/status/1450043071798730761

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Nasser

another interesting twist when using breqn package. Now this fails $y=x y'+y'^{3}$ with ! Double superscript error. But without breqn, no problem at all., This must be known thing. But easy to fix. I changed it to $y=x y'+(y')^{3}$. MWE

\documentclass[12pt]{book}
\usepackage{amsmath}
\usepackage{breqn}
\begin{document}
$y=x y'+y'^{3}$ %gives error with breqn only
\end{document}

I had $y=x y'+y'^{3}$ there for ever, never had issue with it. But I expected these things to happen when adding breqn package.

Joseph Wright

11:57 AM

@Nasser Well it's ambiguous

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda lol I wondered where that was going.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda OMG

@AlanMunn It's hilarious

CarLaTeX

12:28 PM

@PauloCereda and it works!

Paulo Cereda

12:51 PM

@AlanMunn :)

@JosephWright quack :)

@CarLaTeX it does :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda quack

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda Quack!

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright ooh a duck

Joseph Wright

I was learning in the mod chat that the Powers require multiple candidates in a mod election

Apparently some small sites struggle with that

CarLaTeX

@JosephWright An election with only one candidate is a bit strange :)

Paulo Cereda

12:53 PM

@JosephWright ooh don't cry for me, ~~Argentina~~ polyglossia

Joseph Wright

1:14 PM

@CarLaTeX I was thinking local council elections: there is a call to stand, and if there are fewer candidates than spaces, they just get appointed with no voting

David Carlisle

@JosephWright I can think of some local user groups where that happens

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :)

Ulrike Fischer

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David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer you are barred

Ulrike Fischer

1:30 PM

@DavidCarlisle I should ask the bot what "Meek STV" is.

Joseph Wright

Counting single transferable votes

The single transferable vote (STV) is a voting system based on proportional representation and ranked voting. Under STV, an elector's vote is initially allocated to his or her most-preferred candidate. After candidates have been either elected (winners) by reaching quota or eliminated (losers), surplus votes are transferred from winners to remaining candidates (hopefuls) according to the surplus ballots' ordered preferences. The system minimizes "wasted" votes and allows for approximately proportional representation without the use of party lists. A variety of algorithms (methods) carry out these...

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer @samcarter did already

Ulrike Fischer

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David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer but vote before dinner, otherwise they don't count

CarLaTeX

@JosephWright In Italy we vote for the mayor even if there is only one candidate (it may happen in very small towns)

Joseph Wright

1:37 PM

@CarLaTeX Ah

@CarLaTeX Here in the UK, parish council elections are largely uncontested (this is the lowest level of local government)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright as in they beg enough people to stand to keep the administration quorate

Joseph Wright

@CarLaTeX Do you also have reopen nominations or similar?

@DavidCarlisle Yes, exactly

@DavidCarlisle My dad did it: we had an election once, that was weird

samcarter

@DavidCarlisle and the reply was pretty disappointing - the name sounded more like a Dr Who villain or something ...

Joseph Wright

Ooh, @topskip is here

samcarter

@CarLaTeX allthatsinteresting.com/sweet-tart-cat-mayor-omena

Joseph Wright

1:40 PM

I have a feeling the election chat room is going to be a series of bot replies to people testing out what the bot does

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle Rigging elections gastronomically!

topskip

@JosephWright has been a long time

Joseph Wright

@topskip Indeed

@topskip Keeping well?

topskip

@JosephWright yes, absolutely!

CarLaTeX

@JosephWright They "reopen" the nominations only if there are no candidates

@samcarter LOL

topskip

1:41 PM

Looking at tex.sx quite often, although I hardly ever use LaTeX...

Joseph Wright

@topskip I hope we have some content of interest to non-LaTeX users

topskip

I look at LuaTeX questions all the time, but other people are much faster to answer these questions

CarLaTeX

@topskip Don't worry, the important thing is that you don't eat pineapple pizza

Joseph Wright

@topskip Ah, cool, so you have @MarcelKrüger as a competitor ;)

topskip

I really admire the things @MarcelKrüger does

Joseph Wright

1:43 PM

@topskip :)

@topskip Me too - recent ideas on colour spaces, for example, very sneeky

topskip

I don't follow what he's doing, but once in a while I peek at his sources to learn how to handle fonts etc.

Joseph Wright

@topskip Sounds about right ;)

yo'

I'm collecting the most common ways how people load input files in their .tex files -- doesn't need to be exhaustive but the better it gets the better our log parser will be. Currently I have:

documentclass
LoadClass, LoadClassWithOptions
usepackage (including comma-seperated lists)
RequirePackage (including comma-seperated lists)
input (both syntaxes)
include
subfile

Something obvious I missed?

David Carlisle

1:58 PM

@yo' \import (not that I'd recommend it but seems to be used a lot)

samcarter

@yo' Do various listings tools, which include files, count?

@yo' or the stuff from catchfilebetweentags?

Phelype Oleinik

@yo' \InputIfFileExists

David Carlisle

@PhelypeOleinik have we added the \ExpandableInputThatWontMessUpYourTable yet I thought we had but couldn't see it?

Phelype Oleinik

@DavidCarlisle No, we didn't yet. It's under discussion

Joseph Wright

@PhelypeOleinik :)

@DavidCarlisle \ShootYourselfInTheFootInput

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Phelype Oleinik

2:05 PM

Jun 2 '18 at 14:01, by Harald Hanche-Olsen

@barbarabeeton LaTeX makes a great foot gun.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright \WeStillNeedThisAsJosephHasntReimplementedTablesNotToUseHalign

samcarter

@DavidCarlisle If you're fed up by the brexit chaos, you can use these command names to apply for German citizenship - they should proof you understand the concept of our language :)

yo'

@samcarter not really -- thought of them though!

@PhelypeOleinik that's a good one!

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle But LJR has ;)

yo'

@DavidCarlisle thanks!

David Carlisle

2:20 PM

@JosephWright yes but that would input the file 10 times I suspect

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Well possibly yes

@samcarter After a false start, should have beamer out

@MarcelKrüger I'm going to have to solve the TDS issues in l3build: they held up a beamer release ;) (And @HenriMenke will appreciate it!)

samcarter

@JosephWright yeah!

yo'

thanks everyone! And any expl3 versions of any of these, while I'm at it?

Joseph Wright

@samcarter Now we wait for the bug reports

@yo' \file_input:n

yo'

@JosephWright thanks!

ok thanks everyone!

Joseph Wright

2:34 PM

@yo' \file_get:nnN(TF)

samcarter

@JosephWright yes, I'm sure they will come :)

barbara beeton

@AlanMunn -- I'm using a Linux laptop with Firefox, and it works for me. But I can't help with a Mac. Sorry. (My old Mac is essentially beyond help.)

samcarter

@barbarabeeton There seems to be a bigger issue with scripts, see e.g. comments for meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/412377/…

yo'

@JosephWright is the filename first?

Joseph Wright

@yo' Yes, filename then (catcode) setup

yo'

2:38 PM

@JosephWright ah and it reads and parses the file then, right? (sorry I should have opened interface3)

Joseph Wright

@yo' Yes, reads the file to a tl

Ulrike Fischer

@samcarter did you change something dramatic?

yo'

@JosephWright ok, not useful then for our application -- we're improving the log parser to show a useful location when an error happens within a file not in the project file tree

Joseph Wright

@yo' Just \file_input:n then, unless you want the 'line by line' reading functions too

yo'

@JosephWright no, not these. Thanks a lot!

and also we want a command-line or texmf.cnf option to make the logs actually parseable :D

Marcel Krüger

2:42 PM

@JosephWright I'm still thinking about the interface for the l3color stuff. Experiments with automatically using ICC profiles (e.g. github.com/zauguin/luaicc/blob/master/test.tex) showed that (especially with \color_profile_apply:nn) sometimes the customized conversion should even replace the default ones, so to do something like that controlling the fallback isn't enough.

Then my main usecase is gone, so maybe it's enough to just define conversions to the corresponding device colorspace automatically like for separations.

@topskip @JosephWright <3

samcarter

@UlrikeFischer transparent shadows for smoothtree and smoothbar outer themes -- might cause questions from people who don't use -dALLOWPSTRANSPARENCY

David Carlisle

@samcarter texlive really needs to distribute and advertise its own script that adds that by default

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samcarter

@DavidCarlisle good idea :)

David Carlisle

@samcarter ps2pdfallowtransparenencywithoutneedinganoptionbecauseimadeanewscript

samcarter

@DavidCarlisle yesssssssssssss

David Carlisle

2:46 PM

@samcarter ^^ enough to make me the new Chancellor?

samcarter

@DavidCarlisle Given the alternatives, you would even have good chances without the script :)

Joseph Wright

@MarcelKrüger I'll have a browse

@MarcelKrüger WE should probably finalise the Lua-base colour plans as well

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- TUG works that way, but if the number falls below a minimum, the president is supposed to appoint replacements.

Marcel Krüger

@JosephWright Have we decidedRight. Do you know what's left to do there?

barbara beeton

3:06 PM

@yo' -- There's \verbatiminput (package verbatim) and \read (not sure about in LaTeX). Both special purpose.

yo'

@barbarabeeton \vertbatiminput shan't generate an error within the input file, so that's fine probably :) \read is very special and I'm not touching it :D

Paulo Cereda

3:23 PM

YAY PAT

@topskip <3

topskip

3:35 PM

@PauloCereda Hi Paulo!

@PauloCereda Thank you for - you know what!

Paulo Cereda

@topskip ooh

yo'

@PauloCereda thank you for the same (I suppose) :-)

Paulo Cereda

@yo' ooh

more secrets <3

Alan Munn

3:50 PM

@samcarter Yes, I've had the comment problem too.

@samcarter But now it seems to be working again. (The read more and the comments)

Joseph Wright

@MarcelKrüger I'll check this evening

samcarter

@AlanMunn yes, main meta says it was some cache thingy meta.stackoverflow.com/a/412382/2777074

David Carlisle

4:25 PM

@PauloCereda thank you for the ~~dinner menu~~ which also arrived

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh no

Joseph Wright

5:01 PM

Over 500 people have visited the election page :)

barbara beeton

@JosephWright -- But only two volunteers so far.

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright can I flag the bot for abusive replies? :)

Joseph Wright

5:17 PM

@barbarabeeton That's OK - the key is we need more than one

@PauloCereda Please don't!

@barbarabeeton I am sure that there are others considering whether to stand: this is not a simple decision I suspect

barbara beeton

@JosephWright -- I'm hoping so, and yes, it is not a simple decision.

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright full ack

samcarter

6:33 PM

Sometimes I wonder if the people who post spam on latex Q&A sites know about the female/male ratio of tex users? I could imagine better places to sell "Trendy Celebrity Inspired Handbags"

Paulo Cereda

@MarcelKrüger ooh ICC profiles

David Carlisle

@samcarter I want one

Joseph Wright

@samcarter Birkin bag?

Skillmon

6:59 PM

@samcarter But I think we have at least three women, don't we? That's three bags sold!

barbara beeton

@Skillmon -- Just because I happen to be female doesn't mean such a bag would interest me. I don't happen to own a handbag that's less than ten years old, and the newest one is actually a copy of an older one -- but doesn't wear as well, since the manufacturer was sold, and the new owners didn't care as mech about quality.

Skillmon

@barbarabeeton Wait, are you telling me not every female is instantly influenced by some online spam ad?

barbara beeton

@Skillmon -- The only way you could claim that is to claim that I'm not a woman. I know several people who'd be glad to disabuse you of that hypothesis. Even if I used to climb trees and at least used to be able to climb rocks while on belay.

samcarter

8:17 PM

@DavidCarlisle The one in roasted duck size? Or do you just want a small one for a leg or two?

@JosephWright Actually the body of the post then talked about shoes and watches, so not sure about the brand :)

David Carlisle