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@DavidCarlisle @UlrikeFischer @JosephWright ^^^

Mafsi

5:37 AM

hi, I want to add Romanian option to layout.dtx I don't want to fork the project to add a few lines. Is it OK to open just an issue and put the code there?

David Carlisle

9:27 AM

@PhelypeOleinik and have you extended the \else csname with any random characters?

@Mafsi yes, sure.

@Mafsi longer term it would make more sense for layout to have a hook to babel and then babel add these for each language rather than layout itself gettting bigger and bigger supporting more languages, but that isn't the way it is now:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle quack <3

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda breakfast

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh no

Mafsi

9:48 AM

I sent an email to the team with this code
```
\DeclareOption{romanian}{%
\def\Headertext{Antet}
\def\Bodytext{Corp}
\def\Footertext{Subsol}
\def\MarginNotestext{Note\\ Marginale}
\def\oneinchtext{un inch}
\def\notshown{neafișat}
}
```

David Carlisle

@Mafsi OK thanks (an issue might have been better, as it is easier not to lose, but we'll sort it out)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh gnats

David Carlisle

@Mafsi where did you send it (I don't see mail yet?)

@PauloCereda you can use gnats most people use the github interface

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle and PR's, lots of them :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda we could get you banned from this chat. (or eaten)

Paulo Cereda

9:54 AM

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@DavidCarlisle ooh is it possible to ban someone from chat?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda if you know a duck with super-human powers, yes.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh it's the English duck isn't he?

Mafsi

10:06 AM

@DavidCarlisle latex-team@latex-project.org

AlexG

@UlrikeFischer I think I will go for the name + counter solution you have suggested. As counter variable I will take the sequence item count \seq_count:N.

Mafsi

@DavidCarlisle I will open an issue if it is more simple to track.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh the duck bloke arrived

Ulrike Fischer

@AlexG sounds sensible. But perhaps you could also describe the use case, pgf has some complicated code to smuggle colors out too, so perhaps one need something in general to keep track of color settings.

David Carlisle

@Mafsi as I say a mail would be OK but I have not received it (yet?)

Mafsi

10:17 AM

this is the message I received:

Your mail to 'Latex-team' with the subject

Contributing with Romanian language to layout.sty

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

The message headers matched a filter rule

Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel
this posting, please visit the following URL:

https://lists.dante.de/mailman/confirm/latex-team/3cfadda51bcadd586ba0a6d850c964ea3e6345a7

David Carlisle

10:27 AM

@Mafsi ah Ok I'll get it in the end (team list is mostly for internal discussion and isn't ideal for external comments, as you see:) But no need to re-post it'll be cleared

Phelype Oleinik

10:43 AM

@DavidCarlisle No, I'm not that good at TeX ;-)

Mafsi

@DavidCarlisle Thanks!

CarLaTeX

11:38 AM

@barbarabeeton You got mail :) quack

samcarter_waiting_for_summer

2:02 PM

@DavidCarlisle Isn't there something like a closed season for birds in spring?

David Carlisle

@samcarter_waiting_for_summer interesting wild game birds yes, but not boring farm ducks you can just pluck one out of the farmyard and stick in the oven as required

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@DavidCarlisle twitter.com/NGKabra/status/1368069088124149760

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda アヒルの料理についてツイートできます

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh no

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda someone taught me new skills

Paulo Cereda

2:11 PM

@DavidCarlisle ooh skills

samcarter_waiting_for_summer

@PauloCereda These USB cards are a great invention :)

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter_waiting_for_summer They are. :)

David Carlisle

2:46 PM

@wtsnjp hi :-)

Skillmon

3:39 PM

Is there any strong reason why expl3 uses \number for \int_eval:n instead of \the?

Paulo Cereda

4:00 PM

@samcarter_waiting_for_summer twitter.com/hyxpk/status/1368229898049908743

samcarter_waiting_for_summer

@PauloCereda I hope this does not work, the spherical ducks are cute :)

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter_waiting_for_summer they are! :)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle tex.stackexchange.com/questions/586067/… - can latexcgi.xyz do it?

David Carlisle

4:16 PM

@JosephWright define "can"

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle As in could we have % !TeX = ... context?

David Carlisle

@JosephWright a full texlive 2020 is installed so contetxt is there but currently it isn't in the list of commands

@JosephWright well quite we could have if I added it to the list.

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :)

Ulrike Fischer

4:45 PM

@JosephWright running context in latexcgi sounds a bit strange ;-)

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer we could call it latex-light and alias that to context ?

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright @samcarter_waiting_for_summer could you in beamer replace linkbordercolor={.5 .5 .5} by linkbordercolor=[rgb]{0.5,0.5,0.5}? I'm trying/hoping to deprecate the first syntax as it is a bit of a pain.

Joseph Wright

5:02 PM

@UlrikeFischer I'll look at it

David Carlisle

@JairoA.delRio chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7491939#7491939

Ulrike Fischer

5:41 PM

@DavidCarlisle any idea why pdftexcmds defines the command with #{. Is there any gain here?

Joseph Wright

5:52 PM

@UlrikeFischer I think it's to avoid any keywords or whatever interfering

@UlrikeFischer The general idea is to have consistent interfaces: Heiko mentions this up front

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright sure, but with \def\pdf@mdfivesum#1{\pdfmdfivesum {#1}} you would get an consistent interface too wouldn't you?

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer I meant consistent between all of the commands in the package: they are all done the same way

Phelype Oleinik

6:08 PM

@UlrikeFischer Maybe because you can do \pdfmdfivesum\relax\expandafter{\file}, so maybe Heiko tried to normalise that

@UlrikeFischer Or maybe because \pdf@mdfivesum\file would work too, so that's a way to require braces

(or both)

David Carlisle

6:32 PM

@UlrikeFischer sorry I was distracted (I'd killed latexcgi.xyz :-)

Ulrike Fischer

7:01 PM

@DavidCarlisle ups. it is alive again?

Skillmon

7:17 PM

@UlrikeFischer NECROMANCY!

Jairo A. del Rio

7:51 PM

@DavidCarlisle Good luck! I'll have to try the same with MetaPost :D

yo'

8:01 PM

@DavidCarlisle isn't that wipet's challange too? Oh wait, he goes yet another layer down :D

David Carlisle

8:35 PM

@UlrikeFischer yes disk was 99% full and in trying to clear it it got to 100% and I was scared it wouldn't reboot if ineeded which is tricky for a remote machine. But I managed to clear it up eventually. (I deleted all pdf files and stopped the server for a while so somepne may have noticed:-)

@JairoA.delRio I succeeded: I have a tikz-pgf gold badge:-)

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Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle so you need more space ...

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer yes an 8G disk when it's got linux + texlive + a few Chinese Opentype fonts doesn't leave a lot of space... we are devising a plan....

Ulrike Fischer

8:51 PM

@DavidCarlisle ooh a cunning plan ... but yes this need proper space and founding. It is really good.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer when you try to make space by removing linux packages with apt remove xxx and it tells you it's failed as it hasn't got room to write the package dependency lists you know the disk is a bit full

Skillmon

@JosephWright, @DavidCarlisle in the list of font-switching commands in lesson-11 we list them in the following way:

> For short bits of text, we use \textbf, \textit, \textrm, \textsf, \texttt and \textsc.

I think it would be better to structure them according to family, series, weight (in any order of these, but to give them some order), and maybe we want to add \textmd?

and \textnormal?

(I just realized, they actually are ordered as series, shape, family.... so my first point is not valid)

Phelype Oleinik

9:06 PM

@Skillmon small caps is shape, isn't it?

Skillmon

@PhelypeOleinik oh, yes it is. So my first point is valid again! :)

Phelype Oleinik

@Skillmon Such a roller coaster of point validity :)

Skillmon

@PhelypeOleinik yeah, and of emotions!

Ulrike Fischer

@Skillmon I don't think that it makes much sense to use an order new users can't see and understand. I would probably put \textrm at the end (or leave it out) as you nearly never need it.

David Carlisle

@Skillmon no I think they are ordered in order that they are most likely to be used, NFSS axis terminoligy can come later.

oh @UlrikeFischer just said same :-)

Ulrike Fischer

9:17 PM

@DavidCarlisle so slow ;-)

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Skillmon

9:36 PM

@UlrikeFischer \textrm is used in documents which use a sans serif main font, so I'd not drop it.

Ulrike Fischer

9:47 PM