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6:00 PM
@PauloCereda Mmm.... would be a lot of work... md+pandoc seems to be a better choice?
 
@PabloGonzálezL I am not too familiar with pandoc, but perhaps that would be a sane choice, I guess...
 
@PauloCereda Yes, it seems that passing everything to md is the best option, pandoc is only in charge of making conversions, a couple of scripts (not in Java or Lua) would do the intermediate work, I think that will be my approach.
 
@JosephWright hm not sure. We don't have many tests there don't we? Perhaps we should discuss this tomorrow?
 
6:13 PM
@PabloGonzálezL i've used sphinx a bit
@PauloCereda it has latex output as well
 
@DavidCarlisle And how is the experience...does it deliver what it promised, exporting to HTML/LaTeX and the rest of the formats?
 
@PabloGonzálezL well yes and no, it does what is advertised but (like many of these systems) it works best if you accept what comes out, customising the output wasn't always as easy as you might hope.
 
@DavidCarlisle OK, but it's less of a headache than creating intermediate scripts to get acceptable final output
 
@PabloGonzálezL yes we have more control in our main documentation pipeline but that is our own xml and 100000 lines of xslt to format it which isn't an option for many projects.
 
@DavidCarlisle Then it will be an option to consider, the development model that followed in (learnlatex.org) I love, especially the translations...the project that I want to convert should have a similar model, but, I hope to have a LaTeX output too, I will see how I order the ideas that result
 
6:24 PM
% !TeX TS-program = xelatex
\documentclass{beamer}

\usepackage{unicode-math}

\usepackage{fontspec}
\newfontfamily\boxedsymbols{DejaVu Sans}
\renewcommand\checkmark{{\boxedsymbols ✔}}

\begin{document}
	\begin{frame}
		Here should be a checkmark: \checkmark
	\end{frame}
\end{document}
Why doesn't that show me a checkmark? Without unicode-math, I get one.
 
@ComFreek unicode-math defines almost all its commands at begin document so your \checkmark gets over-written
 
booo
This is hilarious.
 
@ComFreek the log does tell you: Missing character: There is no ✓ (U+2713) in font [lmsans10-regular]:+tlig;!
@ComFreek move your defn after begin document or put it in \AtBeginDocument{...} so it comes after the unicode math definitions
@PabloGonzálezL it might be interesting to get latex out of the github markdown using pandoc (I have never tried that)
 
@JosephWright -- Biscuits / cookies is another confusing pair. But the term that must really be avoided is "table" as a verb. That's the level of confusion that needs to be eliminated. Is there a way to search the profiles of tex.sx participants to see if there's someone in Portugal who might be conscripted? When I was writing web material for AMS, I ran it through Google translate to French and German, to catch things that didn't make sense, and found some real whoppers.
 
6:39 PM
@DavidCarlisle And this (github.com/Wandmalfarbe/pandoc-latex-template) ... eso espero obtener :)
 
Thanks @DavidCarlisle! Works now.
 
@DavidCarlisle -- nice try, Wrong number of stripes. Needs another red one on top.
 
@DavidCarlisle Sadly my crossmark doesn't work:

```
\usepackage{fontspec}
\newfontfamily\boxedsymbols{DejaVu Sans}
% need AtBeginDocument to prevent unicode-math from redefining them
\AtBeginDocument{
\renewcommand\checkmark{{\boxedsymbols ✔}}
\newcommand\crossmark{{\boxedsymbols ❌}}
}
```
Even though DejaVu Sans has it
It gets output as a Unicode box
 
@DavidCarlisle I really didn't know.
 
Repro
% !TeX TS-program = xelatex
\documentclass{beamer}

\usepackage{unicode-math}

\usepackage{fontspec}
\newfontfamily\boxedsymbols{DejaVu Sans}

% need AtBeginDocument to prevent unicode-math from redefining them
\AtBeginDocument{
	\renewcommand\checkmark{{\boxedsymbols ✔}}
	\newcommand\crossmark{{\boxedsymbols ❌}}
}

\begin{document}
	\begin{frame}
		Here should be a crossmark: \crossmark
	\end{frame}
\end{document}
 
@ComFreek seems to work fine
 
yeah, the checkmark version, not the crossmark
I have included the crossmark now
 
[paulo@cambridge ~] $ albatross ❌ | grep Deja
[paulo@cambridge ~] $
 
@ComFreek Try one of these fonts
 
6:52 PM
@ComFreek ^^ DejaVu does not have that symbol
 
                    Unicode code point [274C] mapping to ❌
┌─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
│ Font name                                                                   │
├─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤
│ Apple Color Emoji,Apple 彩色表情符號,Apple farve\-emoji,Apple               │
│ Farben\-Emoji,Applen väri\-emoji,Apple Emoji couleur,Colore Emoji           │
│ Apple,Apple カラー絵文字,Apple 컬러 이모티콘,Apple Kleur\-Emoji,Apple       │
 
@PauloCereda hm, MS Paint let me draw a text box with the symbol and that font
 
(albatros yeah!)
 
perhaps it lied to me and chose a fallback?
 
@samcarter_says_quack yaaaay
 
6:52 PM
\textcolor{red}{$\times$}
 
@PhelypeOleinik LOL
 
Segoe UI Emoji sounds good!
 
@ComFreek You could run albatross ❌ to see which fonts on your computer have this symbol
 
i doubt that's a Windows command
 
@ComFreek it's a TeX Live tool
 
6:55 PM
@ComFreek It is available in texlive
 
/me has miktex
:(
 
@ComFreek /you want to install texlive :)
 
Better run albatross 0x274C in case your prompt does not support the glyph directly...
It's on MK!
 
I only reinstalled miktex today :(
it was broken before
 
@PauloCereda -- O, darn. The sound of velcro ripping in theatrical fight scenes is delightful. Make it quieter, and it doesn't have nearly the same effect.
 
7:04 PM
@barbarabeeton definitely!
 
7:27 PM
@ComFreek luatex disagrees: Missing character: There is no ❌ (U+274C) in font DejaVuSans:mode=node;script=
 
@PauloCereda oh it works more or less, what is the accented J supposed to be though?
        __ __           __
.---.-.|  |  |--.---.-.|  |_.----.-----.-----.-----.
|  _  ||  |  _  |  _  ||   _|   _|  _  |__ --|__ --|
|___._||__|_____|___._||____|__| |_____|_____|_____|

                    Unicode code point [274C] mapping to ?
Ŀ
 Font name
Ĵ
 FreeSerif
Ĵ
 Noto Color Emoji
Ĵ
 Segoe UI Emoji
Ĵ
 Segoe UI Symbol
 
@DavidCarlisle try with -b 3 :)
@DavidCarlisle It's noy my fault you run a ASCII-only term. :)
@DavidCarlisle (table decorations, by the way)
 
@Plergux -- If you like film star lashes, you should check out giraffes.
 
Or -b 1
 
7:33 PM
@PauloCereda they both work.
 
@DavidCarlisle Thanks for confirming. :)
 
@PauloCereda so your next challenge, get albatross certified for restricted shell escape and then hook it up to fontspec to implement a css-style just give me the character who cares what font it is in mode.
 
@DavidCarlisle ack :)
 
7:51 PM
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@barbarabeeton Here's one that made it onto the streets of Lisbon.
 
@AlanMunn LOL
 
 
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8:55 PM
@AlanMunn -- I assume that means (in my vernacular) "one way:, and that the path is in fact curving, if not a full circle.
 
@barbarabeeton Not quite, it's a false friend, literally "circulate in this direction".
 
@AlanMunn -- I've got a totally unrelated question, about U.S. vs. Canadian practice. What measurement system is in everyday use in Canada -- metric or inches/feet? I've already learned somewhere that both lettersize paper and A4 are about equally likely to be "standard" in laser printers. The reason I ask is that I'm writing an essay on the "lapses" of ur-TeX (to celebrate this tuneup year), and one of the complaints is about the 1in/1in setting for the origin for printout.
 
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@barbarabeeton ^^^ tough question to answer. This is pretty much right.
@barbarabeeton But when it comes to paper, letter paper, not A4.
@barbarabeeton Which falls under the category Distance -> Short -> related to work :)
 
@AlanMunn -- "Circle" is familiar enough to me for this purpose, as it's s normal square dance call. But I gather from your comment that "circulate" doesn't necessarily mean that the route is circular, which is why I suggested "one way" (with implied "please"). Around here, "one way" seems to be only a suggestion, and it's always a good idea to look both ways when crossing a "one way" street. Just last week, we were driving down such a street when we were faced with oncoming headlights.
 
9:11 PM
@barbarabeeton Yes, it's kind of one way. It's a pandemic sticker, probably in a touristic place, hence the English.
 
@AlanMunn -- Great explanation, and it does answer my question. It also explains why skis are measured in metric.
 
@barbarabeeton the 1in origin is a pain even without unit considerations.
 
@DavidCarlisle -- This will be explained in my essay. 0,0 was impossible for printers at the time. 1in,1in was a somewhat arbitrary compromise. Admittedly not perfect.
 
I have a quite large document for which I'd like the references to show up in the order they appear in. I use Biblatex with a .bib file and sorting=none, however, the references still do not show up in the order they appear in...
Actually they do!
 
9:26 PM
@barbarabeeton excuses excuses. It could have been 0,0 and set leftskp to1in and topskip to 82pt
 
Wrong signal!
 
@PauloCereda and can I use U+ instead of 0x as the codepoint prefix?
 
9:58 PM
@TeXnician it was a feature request not a question about current state:-)
 
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