@JairoA.delRio -- Near Newport, there's a "heritage breeds" farm. For protection in the pastures, they ave "watch" llamas. No coyote is going to tackle one of those guys!
@barbarabeeton I'm more surprised of the fact there are llama farms outside Andean countries. Llamas protecting against coyotes sounds surreal, but credible to me. Pumas, however, make a good meal from them
@JairoA.delRio -- It's not a llama farm. The animals in the pastures are more likely to be sheep or small cattle. The llamas are there to protect the other animals. Here's a link to the web page: onlyinyourstate.com/rhode-island/svf-foundation-ri There are some nice pictures, including one showing a "watch llama" and its flock of sheep. @Plergux -- you might also enjoy this It's really interesting to go there on their visiting day in June.
@JairoA.delRio -- Not the same, but I have a little stuffed llama among my stuffed critter menagerie. He's not big enough to guard anything, but he has a nice smile and a colorful blanket across his back. TeX's first animal is a lion. If you want to know why, the answer is at the end of Don Knuth's remarks on the first publication of Computers & Typesetting: tug.org/TUGboat/tb07-2/tb15knut.pdf
@barbarabeeton Ooooh! All the pretty sheep! :D As well as being cute the guard llama is at least more ethical than using fainting goats as bait while the others escape! :|
@JosephWright you broke my code ;-( The backend files shouldn't use \pdfmanagement_add:nnn so early. My backend isn't there yet, as I load after your backend.
Hi @JosephWright I'd like to RT the learnlatex tweet with Overleaf to give this the desired attention. However, our users don't have much idea what it is. If you had an idea for quote retweet text, I'm sure we can work it out!
And congrats to all the work, well done! It looks awesome!
@JosephWright why do you want to do this early? Imho it is a bit difficult if one part of the backend code depends on something in other parts in the backend. It makes rearranging hard. Wouldn't it be better if there where a dedicated "and now initialize" place? I could add a hook in my code and you could add to it?
@PauloCereda I'd like it in a jsortable table so I can order on first name, lastname or code repository, or an order than just puts me first anyway. — David CarlisleOct 4 '13 at 8:30
@JosephWright yes, and need to check that all the extra navigation texts that Jonas added get translated in the remaining ones (I haven't checked where we are there)
@JosephWright @PauloCereda I'd hope that we could keep to a single pt otherwise we may end up with multiple variants of all languages. zh-hans/zh-hant is different as it's a different script rather than regional language difference.
@PauloCereda I'll simply log that it would be best if we can pick idiom that works well enough for all Portuguse speakers, assuming that's realistic (I don't know how different pt-PT and pt-BR are)
@PauloCereda Oh, not really: I still have to get money from Funders
@DavidCarlisle I just pointed out because there are significant differences and region codes exist for a reason. For TL, I asked Norbert because I felt my translation was too region-specific, and sadly I do not believe I could write something that would be "region-agnostic", if that's possible.
@JosephWright You probably should ask a Portuguese for their feedbacks.
@PauloCereda yes but practically speaking we are struggling to get one translation per European language completed. If we allow multiple it's extra work that isn't clear we can maintain. Every edit needs to propagate through all translations, so extra translations is more work
@DavidCarlisle Indeed: I just looked as Wikipedia and they explicitly say how many pages are available for a reange of languages: more pages = fewer languages
@DavidCarlisle I am not suggesting any additional translations, I am simply pointing out that this particular Portuguese translation might offer barriers to an European reader.
@PauloCereda how about if I take the existing text google translate it to english and back to pt-google then assert that it is universally correct by assertion.
@PauloCereda Sure: it's hard to know the level of difference unless one speaks the language. For example, en-GB and en-US are mainly mutually intelligible, but there are a few tricky issues (chips/crisps being an obvious one)
@PauloCereda I wouldn't worry too much about it. Imho people wandering through the internet get this type of differences all the time, and they learn to handle this.
@UlrikeFischer My thinking was that really I shouldn't need \AtBeginDvi around a public interface for another module, as the latter should 'know' if it needs to delay stuff to the start-of-DVI. Of course, it's tricky when doing bootstrapping of the backend, and as we don't have everything in one file (which I'm still aiming for)
@PauloCereda Don't worry, I don't see it as a complaint; it's a tricky area and we are working out what to do as best we can. My original plan didn't even have multiple languages, so ...
@PauloCereda I'd have the Union Jack and Stars and Strips next to one another: that's pretty common
@PauloCereda Oh, gorro is also a generic name in Spanish. Whatever... I guess I'll use the Spanish (actually borrowed from Quechua/Aymara) name in the module...
@JairoA.delRio (and @JosephWright) Speaking of Spanish: how different are different versions of (written) Spanish across South America, and how that differs from European Spanish? (assuming you are familiar with different variations). I ask for the translations on learnlatex. I made the pt(-br) translation, and I think that it should be easy to understand to European readers (although they would find my word choices weird, as I find theirs).
I think that differences are mostly like in English: word choices and minor spelling differences, but nothing that stops someone from understanding
@PhelypeOleinik Mmm... I don't care, as many others in Latin America. However, some Argentinian tend to get easily angry with those issues. I'd suggest a neuter register...
@PhelypeOleinik lmao. But I was serious. For some reason, they have an issue with their Spanish. They have pressured Academia de la Lengua Española so Argentinian Spanish was considered standard, from what I've heard
@JairoA.delRio Ah, there's that too. I tend to prefer the English term for some things, because it's usually easier to understand than randomly translating "string" to "cadeia", which is not wrong, but is a bit awkward
and if the EU didn't exist, we wouldn't have any vaccines. We have them only thanks to the EU organizing them and the distributing them according to the population of the countries.
@JairoA.delRio oh well, and thanks to our govt's chaotic comms, there's so many anti-vaxxers here! But that's better in the other EU countries I think. I just hope that once I'm eligible for the shot(s), they'll record them in my international vaccination passport.
@JairoA.delRio oh definitely. But I believe there's a small core (mostly coming from desinfo Russia/China-orineted sources), and then there's a lot of "believers". However, in the end I think it's just a lot of noise, in the covid's case.
Funnily enough, kindergardens started denying admission to children without proper vaccination or confirmation they can't be vaccinated for medical reasons here.
@yo' Ah, interesing. Chinese media I'm aware of (those who share news in Spanish) are the opposite wrt vaccines. Concerning Russia, well... yes, they have desinformation media here too
@JairoA.delRio well, if you want, you'll always get a pediatrician say the child has a contra-indication. So it's double-edged. Also, it would make sense to say that you can only have (50/R)% of non-vaccinated children in the group, where R depends on the disease. That would make sense to me. But it gets complicated. The thing is, for measles, R is 18, so this gives only 3% non-vaccinated children allowed in the group. And that's technically zero already, so there's no difference.
(btw, have I told you I have a maths background? :D )
@yo' I didn't even know there was a formula for such a calculation. Where can I read more about that? Biology and friends are very alien to me, but I have also a maths background, so I'm comfortable with your explanation <3
@JosephWright hm, but this bug has been known for 5 years: https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/232168/38074 As per the comments there, it's related to the bug report of yours.
@JairoA.delRio oh well, the basic idea is that if you know R (the reproduction number) and V (the vaccination fragment), the number of people a single person infects is R*(1-V). In theory, having R*(1-V)=1 means that the number of people infected at any given time is constant. However, given that the vaccination is not 100% and any society forms fragments, you wanna do better, like R*(1-V)<=0.5. This is equivalent to V >= 1-1/2R.
@JairoA.delRio for Covid it's approximated between 1.6 and 2.6 I think. But that depends on the strand. The recent ones discovered in the UK or SA are probably in the upper range. This means that 1-1/R is about 60% and 1-1/2R is about 80%.
I'm afraid I don't have a single good source, this is my mathematical untwisting on what the biologists say in complicated words!
@JosephWright I thought to take a quick look at it, but it errors for me with the current development code: ! Argument of \convert@@@color has an extra } Does it compile for you?
@UlrikeFischer On the \pdfmanagement_add:nnn/duplicate gs business: do I need to track what gets added so there are no duplicates? If so, is that global or per-page?
@JosephWright the \pdfmanagement_add:nnn fills a prop, you can issue them as often as you want. The /opacity1 gs in the stream are not a problem either, there are often such repetitions with colors, but it is perhaps an indication that there is unneeded code somewhere.
@UlrikeFischer I think I want to use Heiko's approach for transparency: only set the gs at all if it's used. I need to read his code
@ComFreek At present: dvipdfmx in particular has some oddities which are likely 'stuck' as pgf is complex and ahas a lot of users. See for example a current live GitHub issue about \hoffset
@JosephWright If fixing the note page problem from the pgf perspective is too risky, should we try to workaround this in beamer and smuggle \color{.} into the note page?
% !TeX TS-program = xelatex
\documentclass{beamer}
\usepackage{pgfpages}
\setbeameroption{show notes on second screen}
\setbeamercolor{note page}{fg=green}
\makeatletter
\def\beamer@framenotesbegin{% at beginning of slide
\color{.}
\gdef\beamer@noteitems{}%
\gdef\beamer@notes{}%
}
\makeatother
\begin{document}
\begin{frame}{Frame 1}
This text is visible
\note{frame 1}
\end{frame}
\begin{frame}{Frame 2}
\color{red}
This text is invisible
\note{frame 2}
@Plergux -- Thought you might like that! Llamas have a wicked kick as well as spitting. The last time we visited, the sheep were being sheared, and they are pretty! I'm sure they have a slate of hand spinners to take the next step. (I'm also quite fond of the "belties", the belted Galloway cattle.)
@barbarabeeton Yeah, those are cool too. I like cows as well. They're so stoic and then they look at you with those big eyes of theirs and seventies film star lashes. :p
@JosephWright Anyway, I'm doing the latex3 side of the move now. I'm in doubt if I make a branch that can be merged immediately (then when next LaTeX is out we trim out the docs), or a branch to leave there until the release. Any opinion?
I think the former is safer, as it still works if people don't update both at the same time
@PhelypeOleinik We have to deal with the need for a 'fixed' xparse-XXXX-XX-XX.sty for people with older formats, and we won't have ltcmd in the final release until MAy
About the differences between European and American Spanish, the biggest one is the relative inclusion of direct words taken from English (anglicism), in Latin America (es-la) and Mexico (es-mx) it is common to use them without any problem according to the context, for example (@ph) "cadena" is simpler written as "string", "guión" can be written as "script", etc... in Spain (es-sp) they are more rigid in this sense and avoid Anglicisms as much as possible. In both cases the golden rule is the RAE. A specific case of this is the use of quotes (I
@PhelypeOleinik Yes, I assume that in Brazil, as in the rest of Latin America, Anglicisms are accepted, that makes the translation a little more "neutral" (watching a movie with subtitles in es-sp is nothing like watching a movie with subtitles in es-la or es-mx)
@JairoA.delRio I blame Word and the typewriters, but, the publications and the respectable newspapers if they follow them, the problem happens because they do not have a character dedicated to the punctual review of this, but, the correct thing is the correct thing.
@PabloGonzálezL Yeah, if I'm reading a text in Portuguese about programming, I will understand a string or a script, and I (that's personal opinion, one which @PauloCereda will hit me on the head with Chapulín's mallet :) find the text a bit awkward (but still perfectly understandable) if I read cadeia instead (no idea how to translate script though :)
@PabloGonzálezL Uhm, your last remark is debatable (remember some people still want to write "sólo" with an acute, among others). In any case, following a style guide, as the one RAE provides, shows "professionalism"
@JairoA.delRio Some time ago I participated in a project that was translated into several languages, as a rule of style for translations, all technical terms were in English (that simple) and a glossary was placed at the end of each translation (that nobody read).
@JairoA.delRio For some reason in LaTeX they are known as French quotes, but, they are available since the creation of 'textcomp' (no idea what year that was), besides, nowadays, 'csquotes' is the best option.
@PhelypeOleinik I tried to catch it, I failed 100% :(
