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@DavidCarlisle ^^ See @Skillmon's song. That's where we see Germans are more accurate then the rest of the world: they don't use Tower Bridge during the animation. :)

Skillmon

9:45 AM

@PauloCereda I can feel my brain melting hearing that song :(

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon oh no

Skillmon

@PauloCereda also, they strangely pitched the voices to the correct tones (either that, or there is something very wrong with the voice of the third singer)

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon oh

Skillmon

@PauloCereda you could also walk in the footsteps of David Bowie: youtube.com/watch?v=nb6Gbi1MpoE

@PauloCereda or you learn the songs of Falco (though he was Austrian, not German strictly speaking)

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon ooh

Skillmon

9:49 AM

@PauloCereda I love the German version of that song :)

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon :)

Rmano

@Skillmon Der komissar get oh oh oh ;-) (how we sang that in Italy)

But I like more Nena's luftballons (it's almost impossible to find the original German version...)

Paulo Cereda

10:06 AM

@Rmano ooh 99 luftballons

Joseph Wright

10:24 AM

twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1351460933655257088

Joseph Wright

10:42 AM

@UlrikeFischer, @DavidCarlisle, @HenriMenke I think I will have the swtich of l3color for fill/storke to using the stack done today

twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1351215856534085641 :(

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright I think you will have to move the \pdfmanagement code away from \AtBeginDvi, it is too late there. (not sure if you saw the discussion in the issue).

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Looks that way

@UlrikeFischer I'm still not really sure why it should be too late: \AtBeginDvi is meant to be where anything for DVI/PDF appears (before that, there might not even be a PDF to create)

Phelype Oleinik

@JosephWright Did you get a mail notification for my comment under the cmd PR?

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright yes, it is directly before the pdf, but it is quite late in the code execution order.

daleif

Here is an interesting question with unicode-math and siunitx: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/579473/…

David Carlisle

10:50 AM

@daleif egreg and I just answered:-)

daleif

@DavidCarlisle thanks

Joseph Wright

11:07 AM

@PhelypeOleinik Er, not sure

@UlrikeFischer I'll look later

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright Frank just wrote that he changed the order, so probably it will work now. I will test it.

Joseph Wright

@PhelypeOleinik Ah, right, I see

Phelype Oleinik

@JosephWright Or you didn't, or you all trust in me moving xparse around as I wish ;)

Joseph Wright

@PhelypeOleinik Will; reply a bit later

Phelype Oleinik

@JosephWright No rush. Thanks

@JosephWright Once that is merged I can start playing with command contexts :)

11:11 AM

@Skillmon oh no, why does she want the band to die?

Oh wait, German

Skillmon

@PauloCereda Die Bart, Die!

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon ooh The Bart, The

No one who speaks German can be an evil man.

:56795688 Yes!

Skillmon

@PauloCereda you were faster (and I only know the German version, so my translation was bad)

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon <3

Skillmon

11:15 AM

@PauloCereda oh, a carrot! Here, have one, too: <3

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon ooh a carrot

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer I get the feeling a move is still needed

Skillmon

And now I've reached the buggles (starting from David Bowie)... Youtube's algorithms are truly a miracle :)

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon ooh YouTube killed the video star

Skillmon

@PauloCereda Ooww, uh uh uh, ow.

Plergux

11:24 AM

@Skillmon Is that so far to go? Bowie probably did every musical style ever. :p

Skillmon

@Plergux well, the jurney had a few others as well (I only heard Heros and nothing else from Bowie). But no, it isn't too far.

Paulo Cereda

@Plergux also, this hat: youtube.com/watch?v=vQhqikWnQCU :)

Skillmon

Die Woodys - Fichtl's Lied

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Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon oh my

Shipping Up To Boston/Enter Sandman - Bagpipe Cover (The Snake Charmer x Goddesses of Bagpipe)

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Great, Enter Sandman with a bagpipe

Also

Lady Gaga - Poker Face(Polka Metal Version)

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@Plergux ^^

Stephan Lehmke

@PauloCereda Uh, I think we can consider this disproved by history :-(

Paulo Cereda

11:33 AM

@StephanLehmke It's from a Simpson episode, sorry. :)

@StephanLehmke /hug

Stephan Lehmke

Actually, people speaking German are the archetypic evil men in the movies ;-)

Skillmon

@StephanLehmke no, nowadays it's Arabics, before it was Slavic people, and only before that it was the Germans.

Paulo Cereda

@StephanLehmke oh no

Stephan Lehmke

@Skillmon Yea, I guess the slavic are rehabilitated now that the American president is basically more on the side of Russia than America...

Plergux

@Skillmon How can you possibly have only heard Heroes??????????????

Skillmon

11:35 AM

@StephanLehmke Also, I think that's part of the gag made in the Simpsons.

Paulo Cereda

@Plergux ooh rabbit playlist

We should definitely create a TeX.sx song playlist!

And make @egreg and @AlanMunn cry ^^ :)

Stephan Lehmke

@Skillmon Ah, ok. So I'm missing out on some references...

Skillmon

@Plergux a personal youtube game I started with a friend of mine. You start at one "random" video and have to click yourself through youtube picking only from the first 5-10 suggestions and are not allowed to hear any interpret twice.

Plergux

@Skillmon That's just German Smurfs :p

Paulo Cereda

Oh don't make me start

Kollektivet: Music Video - Compliments

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@Skillmon @Plergux ^^

bitte schnell

Skillmon

11:40 AM

@StephanLehmke basically the plot is: Evil crazy clown-henchman called Bob wants to kill the boy Bart. Therefore he is imprisoned. When they are evaluating whether they could set him free earlier they find a tattoo on his belly "Die Bart, Die!". To convince them that he's rehabilitated Bob tells them that it's German and means "The Bart, The!". Then the judges come to the conclusion that he can't be evil and set him free (see above), afterwhich he tires to kill Bart, again.

Plergux

@Skillmon So you mean there was only Heroes in this playlist game? Or Heroes is the only David Bowie song you've ever heard? Cause I took it for the latter and I'm going to faint if you say that's the one XD

Stephan Lehmke

@Skillmon Yea, they really botched that whole "becoming a nation" thing. From a dissociated feudal society to the most reviled nation in the world in less than a century :-(

Skillmon

@Plergux no, the former. Heroes is the only Bowie song I've heard today.

@StephanLehmke yeah, the current situation is let's say, less than optimal...

Plergux

@Skillmon PHEW! XD

Skillmon

@Plergux currently playing: Tainted Love. Next up: Phil Collins (that one is usually a risky move, but not as risky as picking Guns'n'Roses or Queen)

Plergux

11:44 AM

@Skillmon oh goodness. I'd rather pick Justin Bieber than Phil Collins XD

Stephan Lehmke

@Skillmon (I meant the Germans) At the moment I'm rather satisfied with the societal situation. The last four years revealed some real flaws in the American Constitution which I think the German Grundgesetz doesn't have.

Joseph Wright

@StephanLehmke Well yes, the American one is not bad but the German one is informed by getting on for 200 years of experience. Plus the American one was drafted when it was not clear that the USA was the nation state; that's what the civil war decided

Paulo Cereda

I want to visit Berlin <3

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Good plan: it's lovely

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright ooh

Stephan Lehmke

11:47 AM

@PauloCereda Must see: deutsches-spionagemuseum.de/en

Paulo Cereda

@StephanLehmke ooh I wanna be a spy

Plergux

@PauloCereda @Skillmon since we're doing random YouTube videos, my favourite: youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY

Joseph Wright

@StephanLehmke I'd say smb.museum/en/museums-institutions/pergamonmuseum/home

Stephan Lehmke

@PauloCereda That's 100% home office nowadays.

Paulo Cereda

@StephanLehmke ooh then everyday I am spyin'

:)

Stephan Lehmke

11:49 AM

@JosephWright You can do both.

Joseph Wright

@StephanLehmke True

Paulo Cereda

Well, the reason for going to Germany is to see my friends <3

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda we can offer a visit in the zoo of Mönchengladbach -- they have ducks.

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer OOH DUCKS

Stephan Lehmke

@JosephWright Though I must say I always have a bad concience about imperialist explorers ripping that stuff from its original locations.

Paulo Cereda

11:52 AM

5

:)

Joseph Wright

@StephanLehmke I see that

Paulo Cereda

I wanna go to Mönchengladbach! <3

@UlrikeFischer ^^ :)

Joseph Wright

@StephanLehmke It's very tricky: taken to the logical extreme, museums would (almost) all close as one can't be sure that any artefact won't at some stage need to be returned to it's original site. The only exception would be 'in place' museums, like for example the Richard III burial one in Leicester

egreg

@PauloCereda My proposals would certainly not include Lady Gaga. ;-)

Joseph Wright

@StephanLehmke Sometimes I'm glad I do chemistry: avoids many of these complex moral things ...

Stephan Lehmke

11:58 AM

@JosephWright Of course it's an open discussion without a real conclusion. Especially as there is the "preservation" aspect to consider as a lot of the "original locations" have been at open war, in the hands of warlords etc. for much of the meantime. Still the original attitude of white entitled explorers just going tomb raiding and taking stuff away for their home land is a taint on everything.

Joseph Wright

@StephanLehmke Oh definitely: certainly one needs to think carefully about is genuinely useful preservation, and what is basically theft

Paulo Cereda

@egreg :)

@JosephWright as in let's definitely explode this thing FOR SCIENCE

Joseph Wright

@StephanLehmke Like I said, I am pleased that my area has fewer issues (OK, we get some weapons stuff, but that is probably less mind-bending)

Stephan Lehmke

Are we sharing songs? youtu.be/uWXUWepSak4

2

Paulo Cereda

@StephanLehmke OOH <3

bees

egreg

12:11 PM

@JosephWright In many cases this would be impossible. Consider the big painting by Veronese that's opposite to Monna Lisa (and which almost nobody notices) at the Louvre. It was taken by Napoleon from the monastery of S. Giorgio Maggiore in Venice and it's a miracle they haven't damaged it too much. Trying to move it back where it was stolen from would probably destroy it.

Plergux

@StephanLehmke Aaah, that one's always good. The original video is perhaps even more poignant nowadays with Bobby and Bill Irwin goofing around with Robin Williams.

Stephan Lehmke

@Plergux Actually I wanted to highlight the "Playing for Change" stuff and picked one song at random. Look here: youtube.com/watch?v=YLn7MtRH6Lk&list=PLC122061BDC373B4B

egreg

@JosephWright By the way, a copy of the painting has been made and placed in the original location, a hall designed by Palladio as the monks' refectory.

Plergux

@StephanLehmke Ah, I see. It's cool. Every little thing counts. :)

Skillmon

@StephanLehmke oh, that one I understood completely wrong.. :)

@Plergux depends on the song, I like In The Air Tonight.

@Plergux not my piece of cake :)

David Carlisle

12:27 PM

@PhelypeOleinik the basic principle is that "more work" isn't an argument against a solution if you are not the one doing the work.

Plergux

@Skillmon I plead the fifth. :p

Skillmon

@Plergux :)

Phelype Oleinik

@DavidCarlisle But I am doing the work there, with the caveat that I still find it awkward :)

@DavidCarlisle But the argument for splitting is also good, so fine with me

David Carlisle

@PhelypeOleinik exactly, you preferred no split, everyone else preferred splitting.

Phelype Oleinik

@DavidCarlisle Oh :)

@DavidCarlisle Me speak English no good

David Carlisle

12:33 PM

@PhelypeOleinik we give you work, Ulrike blame and us credit. Seems like a good plan.

Phelype Oleinik

ugh, I sounded like Jar-Jar Binks :(

@DavidCarlisle Good, I can blame @UlrikeFischer if I mess up the merge :)

David Carlisle

@PhelypeOleinik yes of course.

Skillmon

@PhelypeOleinik but do you have a Boomer?

Phelype Oleinik

@Skillmon A beamer? No, that's ~~@JosephWright~~ @samcarter_says_quack

Jairo A. del Rio

12:56 PM

@StephanLehmke If I'm allowed to say it, it's nice to read such an stance. I'm not sure about the situation in Europe, but in South America (Peru in the case of my home country) many archaeological objects we see in our history books are in a Spanish or British museum. It's seldom the other way around. Nothing to brag about, but the other extreme is promoting a naïve chauvinism and that's as or more harmful. See the current president of Mexico asking Spain to apologize for colonizing us lol

Stephan Lehmke

@JairoA.delRio I also liked Bolsonaros critique of external interest in preserving Brazil's forests as "colonialism". He doesn't look like a native to me ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@StephanLehmke Agreed, but sadly the vast majority of countries interested in preserving our forests are doing so for economical purposes, specially the pharmaceutical industry and mineral exploration, so there's a lot of hypocrisy going on. No one is interested in ecology per se...

Skillmon

@PauloCereda not fair, the thing is the ones who have means to enforce their agenda to reach their goals are not really interested in ecology per se.

Stephan Lehmke

@PauloCereda Well obviously there is more interest of big corporations in destroying the forests than in preserving them, otherwise it wouldn't happen...

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon and we were talking about actual good politicians the other day. :)

Skillmon

1:10 PM

@PauloCereda yep, we're back at it, it seems.

Jairo A. del Rio

@PauloCereda And those interested are murdered

Paulo Cereda

@JairoA.delRio ouch, sadly so true. :(

Jairo A. del Rio

andina.pe/agencia/…

elquindiano.com/noticia/24000/…

Paulo Cereda

@StephanLehmke quite

@JairoA.delRio Revolting! :(

Jairo A. del Rio

@PauloCereda Yeah, too early for sad news (here is 8:14 AM).

Paulo Cereda

1:15 PM

@JairoA.delRio Good morning from me! I almost went to Lima for a local TUG meeting. :)

Szabolcs

What tools do people use these days to convert PDF to EPS when the publisher insists on that format?

Paulo Cereda

@Szabolcs hi mr. Mathematica bloke! :) I think Inkscape (CLI) might have some ways of achieving this.

Jairo A. del Rio

@PauloCereda Wait, what? A TUG meeting here? I didn't know about that

Szabolcs

Indeed, but it's a GUI tool, not a command line one

Paulo Cereda

@JairoA.delRio It was a local group, I guess. PUCPE I guess...

Szabolcs

1:17 PM

I guess I'll have to give in and re-read the Ghostscript docs :-)

Paulo Cereda

@Szabolcs oh no :)

@Szabolcs oh I think you can invoke it from command line, I just never used it. :)

I mean, run it as a CLI.

@JairoA.delRio sorry, definitely not a TUG meeting in the strict sense. :) But IIRC there was some local meeting and someone had stumbled upon my name. :)

Jairo A. del Rio

@PauloCereda PUCP maybe? If it's about them, I'm not surprised anymore. They do nice things from time to time.

Paulo Cereda

@Szabolcs it sort of worked:

$ inkscape test.pdf --export-type=eps test.eps

@JairoA.delRio Ah yes, them. :)

Jairo A. del Rio

@PauloCereda Also, I didn't know we had TeX groups or related in Peru. Most users here conform themselves with some TikZ and a template.

Paulo Cereda

@StephanLehmke I was going to travel by train in Germany, I was so excited! But then COVID-19 happened...

@JairoA.delRio I cannot remember the details. It was probably an internal group from them. :)

Ulrike Fischer

1:24 PM

@Szabolcs perhaps this tex.stackexchange.com/q/20883/2388

Szabolcs

Thanks for the tips!

Paulo Cereda

ooh las alpacas son muy peligrosas

Jairo A. del Rio

@PauloCereda Even so, it sounds interesting. If you ever come to Lima when the virus is finally controlled, it would be nice to meet you and drink some Pisco... or chicha morada, if you don't drink

@PauloCereda ¡Las llamas! ¡Las llamas escupen! :(

Paulo Cereda

@JairoA.delRio ooh definitely, let's meet! I want to visit our continent and Peru is in the list. Also Chile, to visit @Pablo. :)

@JairoA.delRio My Spanish is terrible, so I wouldn't dare say anything. :)

Jairo A. del Rio

@PauloCereda Oh, I said "llamas spit". They are far worse than alpacas.

Paulo Cereda

1:30 PM

@JairoA.delRio Oh I imagine it was something along the lines. :) Llamas seem very dangerous!

Hola, me llamo Paulo, me gusta los patos

Stephan Lehmke

@PauloCereda Be sure to make another try! You're hereby invited to the ruhr area. Maybe we can organise some meetup or whatever so you can meet the local people.

Paulo Cereda

:)

@StephanLehmke ooh <3

ooh Rhine

Jairo A. del Rio

@PauloCereda 10/10, perfect Spanish.

@PauloCereda Oh, almost...

Me gustan los patos :D

9/10

Paulo Cereda

@JairoA.delRio despite people think our capital is Buenos Aires. :)

@JairoA.delRio oopsie. :)

Stephan Lehmke

Actually nowadays you almost see more alpacas hereabouts than horses ;-)
They're very popular https://vivamos-alpaka.de/

Paulo Cereda

1:33 PM

ooh das Alpaka

Phelype Oleinik

@JosephWright Which branch in latex3?

Jairo A. del Rio

@PauloCereda Woah, wut? People outside the Americas, I guess. No sane people in Latin America would make such a mistake!

Paulo Cereda

@JairoA.delRio definitely!

Szabolcs

Just in case you find this information useful: there's `pdftops` and `pdf2ps`. They are not the same. This answer refers to the former. `pdftops` is part of the xpdf tools, as well as its fork, poppler. Poppler's broken in the package manager, so I used xpdf. It produced a fully rasterized _low-res_ output and I couldn't figure out how to increase the resolution.

Then I went to Ghostscript, which produced better output and I could control the resolution, but it was still rasterized.

Finally I gave in and manually converted one-by-one using Acrobat.

Paulo Cereda

@JairoA.delRio There's a lot of devotion to Santa Rosa de Lima in Brazil!

Jairo A. del Rio

1:36 PM

@PauloCereda Especially because we see Brazilian as too friendly to be confused with Argentinian. You know, the "proud Argentinian" cliche

Szabolcs

I passed on Inkscape for now (as it wasn't clean how to get the CLI tool on macOS) but I'll try it next time!

Jairo A. del Rio

@PauloCereda :o

Paulo Cereda

@JairoA.delRio oh I know that cliche a lot. :)

@JairoA.delRio I even prepared a liturgical songbook to a parish dedicated to her!

Joseph Wright

@PhelypeOleinik It was in cmd ...

Jairo A. del Rio

@PauloCereda Oh, are you Catholic?

Paulo Cereda

1:39 PM

@JairoA.delRio Yes. :)

Phelype Oleinik

@JosephWright It isn't (or I'm blind, which is also true :)

Joseph Wright

@PhelypeOleinik Maybe was in cmd2 ... in any case, likely easiest to start from scratch

Phelype Oleinik

@JosephWright Okay, I'm on it right now

Jairo A. del Rio

@PauloCereda Amazing. Even when I'm not really a religious guy, I'm amazed by a picture of Santa Rosa de Lima surrounded by prayers in Portuguese.

Paulo Cereda

@JairoA.delRio it is a small community in a nearby city. The Peruvian people is always on their thoughts and prayers. :)

Jairo A. del Rio

1:48 PM

@PauloCereda Oh <3 Love is love, regardless of beliefs. A heart-warming gesture

Paulo Cereda

@JairoA.delRio Quite. :)

Jairo A. del Rio

2:38 PM

@PauloCereda You may find this interesting: youtube.com/watch?v=KdKquTtLnZs

Paulo Cereda

@JairoA.delRio Awesome, thanks!

Rmano

3:04 PM

I suppose this is normal, but I just found that I cannot use a "portable" version of lualatex if the installation is read-only (error building the font cache). Is there some env variable I can set to redirect it?

(no is a perfectly reasonable answer, btw)

Ulrike Fischer

@Rmano texmf-var must be writable.

Rmano

@UlrikeFischer ok --- thanks

TEXMFVAR=/tmp lualatex-dev works perfectly

Paulo Cereda

4:04 PM

@samcarter_says_quack oh no twitter.com/hyxpk/status/1351560073164713985

samcarter_says_quack

@PauloCereda :) Haha

Rmano

@samcarter_says_quack chicken found! @PauloCereda

Paulo Cereda

@Rmano ooh

Alan Munn

4:57 PM

James Acaster On The Absurdity Of The British Empire

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Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn OM MY

@AlanMunn We are still looking at it!

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda :)

Paulo Cereda

'ave a look! Seems familiar eh <evil laugh>

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Where are we on pdfdest?

@UlrikeFischer Would welcome your thoughts on my color changes

Ulrike Fischer

5:14 PM

@JosephWright in my opinion it is ok so, are you fine with it?

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer I'll look

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright { /#1 ~ cs ~ /#1 ~ CS } { #2 ~ scn ~ #2 ~ SCN } looks a bit wrong shouldn't that be { /#1 ~ cs ~ #2 ~ scn } { /#1 ~ CS ~ #2 ~ SCN } as later in the backend_fill/backend_stroke command?

Joseph Wright

5:30 PM

@UlrikeFischer Ah, so it should

@UlrikeFischer I just want to understand the point about the size of the box, etc.

Ulrike Fischer

5:53 PM

@JosephWright you have a guard with two || in l3backend-color: </dvipdfmx||xetex>, and the unpacking doesn't like this. Should I correct it, or are you just working there?

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Could you?

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright sure.

Joseph Wright

Design is live: learnlatex.org

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Language names are not sorted...

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright one simply shouldn't look ;-) The first sentence I read is "and made them into short 16 short lessons." See the two "short"?

Paulo Cereda

6:03 PM

@JosephWright DuckDuckGo redirects me to UK?!

@JosephWright What happened to the wonderful logo the information architect promised?

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda :)

@UlrikeFischer Oops

@PauloCereda They are I think by ISO

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright no

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright ;-). The languages are not complete yet? At least I get english introduction everywhere.

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Why not using sorting used by Wikipedia?

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda I think they are sorted by "portuguese in the middle" and the rest around ;-)

Paulo Cereda

6:10 PM

@UlrikeFischer That's a reasonable explanation. :)

@JosephWright better leave things this way, or it would require yet another commit by the designer, and we cannot disrupt the laws of the universe.

@JosephWright and speaking of languages, beware: the Portuguese translation is actually Brazilian Portuguese, which is different from the European counterpart. That's why in TL I nagged Norbert to include region codes, so my contribution to them is under pt_BR, and not pt, which would be wrong.

oopsie, sorry... candle person :)

Hi candle person! :)

heather

hello :)

Hello! I had a quick question about using texlive on windows - so i'm trying to run tex4ebook filename, which it says needs to be done in the command line, so i opened windows powershell, but when i try i get "The term 'tex4ebook' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or operable program. Check the spelling of the name, or if a path was included, verify that the path is correct and try again."

(i have substituted in my file for filename)

Paulo Cereda

Do you know the full path where TeX Live is installed?

Perhaps C:\texlive\2020

heather

how would i check that?

Paulo Cereda

Perhaps Windows explorer can help. Sorry, I am not a Windows user. :)

I almost wrote Windows exploder. :D

Ulrike Fischer

@heather you must add the extension in powershell: tex4ebook.exe ..., in cmd it would work without it.

Paulo Cereda

6:19 PM

@UlrikeFischer ooh tricks

heather

oh it is in C:\texlive\2020 i think

Paulo Cereda

Nice! Try @UlrikeFischer's hint first. If does not work, we continue investigating. :)

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda @heather well actually I'm not sure if this is the problem. It just worked for me also without it.

heather

i think tex4ebook is already installed?

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer oh

heather

6:21 PM

when i go into the texlive manager and search the list of installed packages tex4ebook comes up

man i really hate windows sometimes

Paulo Cereda

We all do. :)

Ulrike Fischer

@heather what do you get if you run where.exe pdflatex.exe in the powershell? it is found?

heather

could not find it

Ulrike Fischer

@heather but you can use pdflatex somehow?

Paulo Cereda

Could you run

heather

6:26 PM

opening texlive as a program outside the command line works, and it produces outputs and everything

Paulo Cereda

$env:path -split ";"

See if TeX Live appears in the list

heather

@PauloCereda it does not appear in that list

Paulo Cereda

Oh

Ulrike Fischer

@heather where do you open it?

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer TL is not in the path. :(

heather

6:27 PM

@UlrikeFischer from the little windows icon in the bottom left. i think it's called the start menu or something?

it shows in the list of programs under that menu.

Ulrike Fischer

well try to find where the binaries are (normally it would be something like C:\texlive\2020\bin\win32, copy the path. Then search in the windows search (beside the small icon) for "environment variable", it should give you the dialog where you can change your variables. Add there the path to the PATH variable.

@heather btw: in the start menu there should be also an entry for a texlive command line that you can use.

heather

so...the binaries are already in C:\texlive\2020\bin\win32

oh there is a command line in the start menu! perfect

Paulo Cereda

$env:Path += ";C:\texlive\2020\bin\win32"

This would set temporarily the path in your Powershell window. :)

heather

running tex4ebook C:\...filename produces...yet more errors

it's errors all the way down lol

Paulo Cereda

ooh like the turtles :)

heather

6:36 PM

[ERROR]   htlatex: Compilation errors in the htlatex run
[ERROR]   htlatex: Filename     Line    Message
[ERROR]   htlatex: ?    ?        Emergency stop.
[FATAL]   make4ht-lib: Fatal error. Command htlatex returned exit code 1
C:\texlive\2020\bin\win32\runscript.tlu:915: command failed with exit code 1:

@PauloCereda precisely :)

Ulrike Fischer

@heather don't run with an absolute path, switch first with cd to the directory of your file.

heather

@UlrikeFischer ah okay, it seems to be working now (famous last words)

Paulo Cereda

ooh

heather

it worked!

thank you both so much for your help :)

Paulo Cereda

Yay!

/candle dance

David Carlisle

7:06 PM

I get downvoted for telling people not to use my packages:( tex.stackexchange.com/questions/519981/…

NEW LOOK learnlatex.org learnlatex.org

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Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle Loyal fans don't care about the truth.

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn sadly true, it seems

yo'

7:21 PM

@PauloCereda Yeah, that one killed me!

Paulo Cereda

@yo' :)

@DavidCarlisle ooh so the commits worked, after all :)

All 10 of them :)

David Carlisle

$ git log | grep Jonas | wc -l
282

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Ah, but I can adjust

@UlrikeFischer Jonas wrote some extra text, that's why

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright oh remove my comment, it's accessible with history, please.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer yes once Jonas has finished merging we need to ping everyone for more translations

Paulo Cereda

7:31 PM

@JosephWright kill this one, please: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/56800959#56800959

@JosephWright s/wrote/c-p c-v'ed/g :)

samcarter_says_quack

@DavidCarlisle The blue design looks nice! Looks a bit like \usetheme{Ilmenau} :)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle I thought so. My husband looked at it, followed a link to latex-project, and saw there an advertisement for free word templates ;-)

David Carlisle

7:59 PM

@samcarter_says_quack and duck free

Ulrike Fischer

8:29 PM

@DavidCarlisle "quack and duck free" is difficult to parse ...

Bob

Are tikz drawings not compatible inside a NewDocumentCommand?

David Carlisle

8:44 PM

@Bob in general no issues but beware of & in tikzmatrix which involves catcode change

TeXnician

@AlanMunn They care about universal truth. It has a total vote count of 42 now ;)

Bob

Ok thanks David, I will have to make a MWE to figure out whats going on

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright can one protect a @@ from being replaced by _module?

Phelype Oleinik

@UlrikeFischer @@@@

Ulrike Fischer

@PhelypeOleinik thanks, that looks much better ;-)

Phelype Oleinik

8:59 PM

@UlrikeFischer Some may disagree ;-)

@UlrikeFischer Or temporarily do <@@=>, but if it's just one as you say I'd go for the @ madness :)

Ulrike Fischer

@PhelypeOleinik I didn't mean the source ;-) But I now longer get curious errors. But mixing expl3 and latex2e has its difficulties.

Alan Munn

@TeXnician The answer to life, the universe and list formatting.

David Carlisle

@PhelypeOleinik yes @ look much better when arbitrarily used to replace vowels or word spaces or be appended or prepended to a an existing command name. Gives that friendly familiar look that makes reading 2e code so easy.

Phelype Oleinik

@DavidCarlisle YES! My favourite is \@ifl@t@r. The ratio of @ for non-@ is just amazing :)

David Carlisle

@PhelypeOleinik hmm I wonder who came up with that name, I personally used to be quite proud of the onefilewithoptions variants. but of course the @ in those names now insignificant compared with the @ in \@expl@@@filehook@set@curr@file@@nNN :-)

@PauloCereda being a duck you would like to take part in a swimming tradition bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-55725832

David Carlisle

9:34 PM

@Bob oh \ExplSyntaxOn well there is that:-) but you don't have to use that for \NewDocumentCommand

Phelype Oleinik

10:27 PM

@DavidCarlisle Learned from the best :)

Marcel Krüger

@PhelypeOleinik It's especially great that \@ifl@ter exists too, otherwise forgetting one @ would be way too boring to debug.

Phelype Oleinik

@MarcelKrüger Ooh, indeed! :D

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