Is there a table version of wrapfig?

@Canageek wraptable

@UlrikeFischer safldkj yep, right there in the top line of the manual

@Canageek I don't know. ;-)

Arggg

I found why something isn't working. I load kpfonts to get access to its greek letters for use with chemformula

eff, back ina bit

CPU fan just failed

OK, back, CPU not cooking itself right now

Spends 2 and a half hours figuring out a problem enough to write the question

and trying various fixes

Types JUST THIS into the title of my question: "siunitx listening to kpfonts instead of cfr-lm"

Top suggestion is the answer

/me hits head on desk forever

@JosephWright Any chance you could slip a hint about tex.stackexchange.com/a/40884/7880 into section 5.2 of the siunitx manual? >.>

\updefault is now up rater than n, but the docs still say n. Is this expected? @DavidCarlisle possibly?

Is there any reason I can't overwrite to n? (In a package & not just for me.)

Maybe I'm safer with TL2019 ....

@PauloCereda I don't allow the installer or tlmgr access to my home directory. Not liking TL2020 much so far :(.

@cfr ooh

@cfr I have a user-owned directory in /opt, so I deploy everything there, including TL.

@cfr not sure what you mean but better leave it as is, and ask a proper question how to adjust this in a new LaTeX-the font handling has really changed a bit.

Couldn't people just learn to read complex, convoluted, bad, spaghetti code so we could be spared to write proper documentation?

@PauloCereda But writing the documentation is so much more fun than writing the code! :p

@Plergux oh no

/quacks in despair

> A group of pandas is called an "embarrassment."

ooh

@cfr it may be expected that not all documentation fully updated, but that doesn't mean it's right, which docs where? In theory if it is the main format doc then a github issue is the place but just pinging us here works as well.

@PauloCereda a group of ducks is called a large dinner

@DavidCarlisle so is a group of sheep a Large dinner? :p

@Plergux definitely

@cfr I just checked all the references to updefault in latex2e/base abd latex2e/base/doc and I think they all say the right thing that it is up unless you have used rollback when it is n ?

@DavidCarlisle checking documentation? How strange ; -)

@UlrikeFischer only so I could check the git log and blame you

Do I have to worry about this restricted \write18 enabled? I remember it caused in the past problems.

@Gudrun restricted write18 has been the default for at least 10 years, so no extra worry now

@DavidCarlisle: Okay, I have to continue searching for my error. :-)

@Gudrun maybe you should show the error message?:-)

@DavidCarlisle I am trying to produce a minimum example.

@DavidCarlisle: I don't know why it works now, but it works.

@Gudrun obviously I fixed it?

Now I see I got a new file as well t-gnuplot-lua-tikz.tex

I have never understood what I am doing here and I am angry with myself that I don't understand it.

@DavidCarlisle It helps to talk about it definitly.

@Gudrun despite the fact I claimed credit above I am not sure I can help, I've never used the gnuplot tikz output. But if gnuplot-lua-tikz.sty and friends are fixed files not depending on this specific plot you should be able to install them in your tex path and not have to copy them each time?

I am embarrassed, I don't know this is done at all. Could I ask for advise, please?

In this context I had a problem in 2015 and had already then understanding problems. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/267031/…

@Gudrun @egreg says there that those files are not fixed but generated each time. So in that case just copying them along with the generated tikz picture probably makes sense.

I apologise, I don't understand.

Maybe it is not so clever to copy them.

@Gudrun I know nothing at all about this but in the answer that you reference egreg says If you want to make the generated test_graph.plt.tex file compilable, you need to have those generated files along with it. which implies that you should let gnuplot make new versions of these each time, rather than doing what I suggested above of installing fixed versions in your local tex tree.

@Gudrun you will need to use consistent versions, so within a document use the same version of the .sty for all the generated images, and use the version that gnuplot made for that plot. You probably can not take an old generated tikzpicture and assume it will work with the new version of the the .sty file

Okay!

I will make another test. I put this script.plt and my MyGnuplotLaTeX.sty in one new folder and see what happens. MyGnuplotLaTeX.sty contains only standard usepackages.

That did not work as LaTeX complains now: ! LaTeX Error: File `l3backend-pdfmode.def' not found.

I understand no need to copy them.

I am currently updating my latex distribution as well, with sudo tlmgr update --self --all, maybe this causes a problem

@Gudrun something it not really up-to-date, probably you need to recreate the formats, or get rid of a local format. Which engine are you using? pdflatex? lualatex?

The idea is that tikz creates a tex.file and this is later compiled with pdflatex to create the picture

if you are using pdflatex, what do you get if you run in a command line kpsewhich --engine=pdftex pdflatex.fmt?

@UlrikeFischer /usr/local/texlive/2020/texmf-var/web2c/pdftex/pdflatex.fmt

@Gudrun looks ok. And with kpsewhich --engine=luatex lualatex.fmt?

Empty output, no return

It just jumps into the next line of the terminal

Earlier I did "sudo tlmgr update --self --all " maybe I should wait until this is finished? It is still running.

it is finished

But still no output with kpsewhich --engine=luatex lualatex.fmt

That is funny. Now my script.plt runs through without any problems again :-)

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@Plergux oh no

@Gudrun maybe I fixed that as well (and I wasn't even reading this page:-)

@DavidCarlisle :-) The test script runs through, the actual script not. I try to figure out what is wrong there now.

@Gudrun well if it still was running the formats weren't created yet, so waiting was a sensible hting.

@U

@UlrikeFischer You mean the updating process could have interfered ?

@Gudrun sure, if the update just updated for example l3backend, then l3backend-pdfmode.pdf would have been gone, but the format wouldn't know this yet. If you update better don't interfere, at least if the update contains files related to the format (e.g, latex or l3kernel and similar).

@PauloCereda and a group of cows is a huge dinner :p

@Plergux ooh

@Plergux that definitely simplifies things :)

It's like the colour naming thingy the other day

I can only name 6 colours

I suspect I might be somewhere in the colour blindness spectrum thingy

@PauloCereda well, technically you can probably name hundreds of colours with six names :p

@PauloCereda and you can just test it :p color-blindness.com/…

@Plergux ooh let me check

@Gudrun the old post you link to has the comment In order to create style files in the working directory automatically, the option createstyle is necessary: set out "test.tex" set term lua tikz latex createstyle plot sin(x)

@PauloCereda that's more than the typical monochrom man ;-)

to add nice symbols and math symbols.

@DavidCarlisle I am sorry, I don't understand.

@UlrikeFischer Actually, my research has shown that there isn't really any difference between men and women when it comes to colour naming naked colours. Individual differences within each group are often greater than between groups. And one might also ask how much of this perceived difference is created by culture. You could start by listing the colours available to each in clothing.

@DavidCarlisle Found the entry, reading, trying to understand.

@UlrikeFischer ooh :)

@DavidCarlisle and @UlrikeFischer Thank you, thank you for your patience.

@DavidCarlisle Was there a change from set term tikz to set terminal lua tikz

@Plergux the reference to "monochrom" was a internal joke, but beside this: I'm quite bad at remembering color names, mostly because I don't much care about all the articles telling me which one is currently modern. So in examples I normally stick to red, blue, yellow with a bit maroon or brown and sometimes magenta, but I don't think that the fact that I'm missing the words has any relation to my ability to actually see various colors.

@Gudrun I have never used either, i have no idea. Obviously the lua variant can only work with luatex, the other will work with anything

@DavidCarlisle Then you know more than me. I had no realised it. I am grateful for your help!

@UlrikeFischer Yeah, I know. Just being pedantic (and my brain is oozing this stuff after almost six years of researching it!) :p No, the whole Pantone "colour of the year" and similar stuff is ridiculous. Like people talking about they've invented new colours. They've not invented anything, just picked out a particular hue of the spectrum to have a new fashionable name. #petpeeve :p

ooh Panettone

oh wait, you said Pantone

oh

Luckily the spectrum is large and offers many colours of the year.

/sad quack

@Plergux oh, wow. (a pity it's in Flash, so it will be inaccessible sooner than later). It confirmed what my wife says, that I can't separate blue from green reliably ;-)

@Canageek I never have issues: I guess because I use it for simple inline things (ChemDraw for schemes) with quite a conservative font set up

@Canageek Taking a look

@Rmano Well, that actually is a well known phenomena and source of much arguing in this family as well. I tend to see green rather than blue, but both my son and my husband say blue when the hue is in the mid-range between green and blue. With us this also applies to ranges between green-brown, and green-yellow, where I tend to say green where they would pick brown/yellow. This does not count as a deficiency but rather a symptom of individual differences in perception :)

breen and... glue?

oh that didn't work

@PauloCereda heh heh heh...

@PauloCereda lol

@Rmano I already can't access it, it downloads a swf but I have no player for it.

@Rmano this ^^^ is a typical colour of dispute here, where I would say "definite green" but son and husband would demand "blue" :p

@UlrikeFischer in ubuntu is just installing a package and restarting firefox, and then give permission

@Plergux BLUE

@Plergux Yep! It's exactly the jersey I have, which is clearly blue for me (and my daughter!) and clearly green for my wife!

@Plergux blue (turkis)

@Plergux it's spelt 'blue' but pronounced 'Throatwobbler Mangrove'. :)

@PauloCereda :D

@Rmano :D yeah, that's what happens. I used to have shoes this colour that I would wear when I gave lectures on the colour stuff and then at some point I would ask people what colour they were. :p

@UlrikeFischer Yes, turquoise is a good get-out so you don't have to choose, but then if you ask whether turquoise is a sub-specification of blue or green you start the same argument again XD

@Plergux we decided in the family to call it "teal" (it has no direct translation in italian, so we can imagine whatever we want).

@PauloCereda lolololololol

@Rmano That's very diplomatic of you :D

@Plergux I wasn't trying to avoid the choice, it is clearly blue for me, but blue of subcategory turquoise.

@UlrikeFischer ooh complex stuff

@Rmano ooh a needle thingy

@UlrikeFischer call it (5,134,165)

@DavidCarlisle hmmm --- there's a pattern in it (or at least I think) so it's not so easy ;-)

@DavidCarlisle why not #0081a1?

@Plergux the colour picker i used gave me the decimal and i couldn't be bothered to convert to hex? not that my decimal is the same as your hex in any case, as Rmano commented your image wasn't a solid colour so it depends where you pick...

@Plergux I think I'll love to read your thesis, yes. Colors fascinate me. how do you describe a complex color with this kind of random patter? An (R,G,B) distribution?

@DavidCarlisle i entered both into my colour picker and I can't tell any difference. :p

@Rmano Yay! :p When I'm done writing it I'll have to translate it into English but it will be an incentive :D

@Plergux I'm a mathematician: I look at the numbers

@DavidCarlisle ah, I see. I don't really do numbers. I just barely managed the distributional analysis for my thesis :/

My first program I shared in proto internet around 1990 was a program to reduce the number of colors in a GIF to save space and trying to have the most similar visual appearance... :-( can't find it on google and probably it's wrong...

@Rmano aaah, 1990's internet was amazing, wasn't it? All the lovely blinking text XD

@Plergux skavenger.byethost8.com/homerswebpage

@PauloCereda lol

I wish you all a good weekend. Thank you again. Take care. Bye

@UlrikeFischer Could you do me a favour and check which version of the tikzlings is in miktex?

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas sure wait a minute.

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas looks outdated I get 2019/04/07 v0.2

@UlrikeFischer Thanks for checking! I'll try to open an issue to get this updated

@Plergux ^^^ seems to be indeed a miktex problem

@Plergux Clearly blue - as a sheep you are biased towards green colours for finding yummy clumps of grass :) [ducks are of course totally unbiased towards water blue colours :) ]

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas yes, it's working now I've got the 0.3 from CTAN :) (see mail :p)

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas :D That must be it! Green is also my favourite colour :p

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas quack

@Plergux Did not yet get mail, but nice to hear it is working!

@Plergux Any chance you are involved in thunderbrid? They changed the colour of the dot for unread messages from blue to green.

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas ooh a TB user!

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas heh heh heh... no, then all of it would be green. :p

@PauloCereda I had to switch. The computing centre of my university did not like the ssl version used by my previous mail program.

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas TB is awesome <3

@PauloCereda I'm not so happy with 78. In the previous version I could remove these buttons, with 78 they are back and I don't find any way to remove them :(

oh

... and I preferred the blue dots :)

ooh :)

Newton’s Daunting Masterpiece Had a Surprisingly Wide Audience, Historians Find

@AlanMunn maybe it's good for crushing large bugs and insects. :)

@PauloCereda oh no! :p

@Plergux oh no

@Skillmon twitter.com/scale_banana/status/1327642141770838016

@PauloCereda those paws look a bit like duck feet :)

@Skillmon ooh

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas If you want to at least shrink it have a look at addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/…

@TeXnician Thanks a lot! Better than nothing :D

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas I had the same problem with TB 78. Although at home I'm now using emacs for mailing so I don't have any problems with buttons :D

@TeXnician I bet David will be pleased to read this :)

@TeXnician but how do you compose emails without an editor? :)

lalalalala Thunderbird is awesome, cannot hear other options lalalalalala

@PauloCereda mutt.

We ducks are very good at lalalala'ing. :)

@Skillmon ooh mother in German

Oh wait

@Skillmon Well, there's some elisp for that ;)

ooh Mexican Lisp

Beware of El Lisp

/Mariachi song follows

@PauloCereda Reminds me of Simpsons' El Barto.

@PauloCereda I just pictured Danny Trejo with a lisp. Am now dying XD

@Skillmon :)

@PauloCereda and later Homer as El Homo... :)

@Plergux LOL

@Skillmon oopsie

@PauloCereda Well, if Bart calls himself El Barto.

@TeXnician ^^^ total success! Thanks for the tip with this addon!

@samcarter_preparing_for_xmas ooh

@PauloCereda 78 is getting less bad :)

twitter.com/santiagomayer_/status/1326614495356092416

ooh foxes

I wonder what I will learn today?

@LaTeXereXeTaL you will learn the Icelandic word for "rhubarb jam": rabbarbarasulta. :p

@Plergux Excellent! I love strawberry rhubarb pie. Until now the only Icelandic I knew was Björk.

@LaTeXereXeTaL "jarðarberja og rabbarbarabaka" :p (btw, Björk means "birch").

@Plergux I can't even begin to approach her last name!

@LaTeXereXeTaL Well, incidentally, we have the same last name. Not because we're related, but because our fathers had the same name ;) it's sort of "goohth-moonds-dohwtter" :p

@Plergux Although there's so few of you, aren't you all related? :)

@AlanMunn heh heh heh... I could try to deny this, but my grandparents were first cousins, sooooo....

@PauloCereda two legs?

@Plergux Although there's an interesting genetic split between men and women Icelanders, if I recall correctly: women have far more Celtic genetic markers than men.

@StefanKottwitz oh

@PauloCereda did you draw it yourself?

How did you start?

Wow that's incredible! LOL