@FaheemMitha #Italexit 5.628 tweets at this moment :)

@CarLaTeX I'm not sure I want to know that.

@FaheemMitha Just to keep you up-to-date about what we were talking yesterday :)

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@CarLaTeX I read it #latexit

@PauloCereda Oooh no!

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle is the list of stable modules in expl3.pdf up-to-date? Are the l3fp functions described in interface3 not considered stable?

@UlrikeFischer framebox internals probably not needed now as framebox is robust at the top level

@UlrikeFischer if we can get away without using hopatch I'll not split that from oberdiek

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@PauloCereda /rabbit sounds

@Skillmon ooh

@Skillmon Everything except the stuff listed as 'candidates' is stable

@JosephWright so it might be a good idea to update that list :)

@DavidCarlisle as far as I can see only xcolor-patches.sty uses hopatch, and I don't see why hycolor/hyperref should correct this xcolor bug. We should remove this patch.

@PauloCereda youtu.be/Jy9FwJqdaQ0?t=30m5s

@bp2017 it's fixed at .4pt (no sure which document you refer )

@bp2017 It's hardcoded (@d default_rule=26214 {0.4\thinspace pt}). For an \hrule you can change with the height keyword.

Suppose I have a TeX file which ends with a number of included PDF files (using \includepdf). Is there some way I can get the length of the PDF file that is generated before the PDFs are included?

And is this a question worth asking on the site?

Though perhaps I should have led with my actual question. I want my included PDFs to start on an odd-sided page.

@FaheemMitha \cleardoublepage ?

@DavidCarlisle Just tried that, but it doesn't seem to do anything in my example. MWE time?

@FaheemMitha are you using oneside or twoside ?

@DavidCarlisle I thought it was twoside, but I see that it's the article default, whatever that is. Let me trying chenging to scrartcl and twoside=semi.

@FaheemMitha that's oneside add [twoside]

@DavidCarlisle I'm now using: \documentclass[12pt, twoside=semi]{scrartcl}.

The first included PDF is still appearing on an even page.

@FaheemMitha I know nothing about the koma script classes

Can someone remind me of one of those simple included PDFs that come with TikZ, for example? I want something that is just one page. I could test with a simple file.

@DavidCarlisle Ok, I'll try with twoside and article.

@DavidCarlisle Same thing with \documentclass[12pt, twoside]{article}.

Never mind, I had commented out \cleardoublepage for some reason.

I'm such a klutz. Ok, it works with article. Now trying scrartcl.

Ok, it works with scrartcl too. Thanks.

@AlanMunn LOLOLOL

@UlrikeFischer so update hycolor.sty so %\RequirePackage{xcolor-patch}[2019/12/15] and stop generating xcolor-patch?

@DavidCarlisle yes. And write the xcolor maintainer that we no longer try to correct the missing Gray color conversion ...