TeX, LaTeX and Friends

yo'

12:12 AM

Finally some beautiful weather:

@PauloCereda ^^

Alan Munn

3:33 AM

@PauloCereda ^^^ You can choose. It was -22 last night.

CarLaTeX

5:45 AM

@AlanMunn argh!

yo'

7:59 AM

@AlanMunn nice!

Paulo Cereda

8:19 AM

@AlanMunn, @yo': OH MY

Paulo Cereda

8:58 AM

Hey friends, are we supposed to have a JCR impact factor?!

Hm journals have...

mickep

9:34 AM

@PauloCereda An impact factor for what?

Paulo Cereda

@mickep That's me just being dumb, sorry. :)

Paulo Cereda

11:28 AM

GUYS THIS IS IMPORTANT

Open amazon.com

See source-code, go to the bottom of the page

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       .__(.)< (MEOW)
        \___)
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-->

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AlexG

@PauloCereda How did you find out this?

Paulo Cereda

@AlexG Someone sent me the word

yo'

@PauloCereda oh gossips

and even true gossips, these are the worst!

Paulo Cereda

@yo' :)

JouleV

Is it a duck or a cat :)))

yo'

12:00 PM

@JouleV it's a duck that just ate a cat.

Joseph Wright

12:45 PM

@PauloCereda Wow!

Skillmon

Why can't one do \advance\dp0 by 5pt but one has to do something like \dp0=\dimexpr\dp0+5pt (or \dimen0=\dp0\advance\dimen0 by 5pt\dp0=\dimen0 without using \dimexpr)? What kind of a design choice is that?

Joseph Wright

@Skillmon \advance only applies to registers ...

@Skillmon Knuth probably didn't anticipate doing maths with box heights, etc., just doing one-shot changes

Skillmon

@JouleV or a duck that learns a foreign language.

@JosephWright that might be the cause, but I think enlarging a box by some length isn't that far fetched?!

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon ooh

Joseph Wright

@Skillmon Reading over texbook.tex, for example, DEK just sets equal to a fixed amount or a scaling of existing values

Skillmon

12:51 PM

@PauloCereda where did you find that?

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon A friend forwarded me the info. :)

JouleV

1:04 PM

@yo' @Skillmon My friends call it a cuck :)

egreg

@Skillmon \ht, \dp and \wd are not implemented the same as dimension registers: a box can be alive in different incarnations simultaneously, at different group levels, so the parameters above are linked to the current incarnation.

Joseph Wright

@egreg Oh yes :)

Skillmon

@egreg but a \dimen is also affected by grouping. That is not a strong argument, imho.

egreg

@Skillmon \ht and friends behave quite peculiarly with respect to grouping. ;-)

David Carlisle

1:25 PM

@Skillmon \dimen obeys groups as you would expect. \ht less so (unless you expect the right answer)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Been reading the team list? ;)

@DavidCarlisle Nobody expects TeX's box grouping behaviour!

Kurt

I got a new palindrome:

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CarLaTeX

1:41 PM

@Kurt yay!

Kurt

@CarLaTeX :-)

barbara beeton

@AlanMunn -- at least it's clear. sunday in providence was rain (about 3 inches and local flood warnings), until evening when the temp dropped below zero. it took nearly a half hour to clear about a quarter inch of ice off the car windshield -- it looked like the glassware made by iitala. pretty, but impossible to see through clearly. today the temperature is expected to rise to double digits!

Krishna

@Skillmon I think you forgot to send the attachment in the 2nd email (prevent progressbar outside the defined pages). I'd have to upload the thesis soon. If you have a chance, can you please send it to me?

Skillmon

2:14 PM

@Krishna just checked, there is a file attached. But I'll resend it with some more changes.

@Krishna you got mail

Krishna

@Skillmon nope attachment is not shown

Skillmon

@Krishna which size does the mail have?

Krishna

Okay...got it....

My university was blocking a repeated attachment of same name from same email address

"oversmart" machine learning spam filter :)

Skillmon

@Krishna how very unfortunate.

Krishna

@Skillmon got it. I shall look at the code, and submit the thesis this afternoon

Skillmon

3:04 PM

@Krishna just noted the current implementation never has a completely filled progress bar. Is that an issue for you?

Paulo Cereda

Friends, is there any difference in typing (French) coeur and cœur?

Skillmon

@PauloCereda yes, in the second one o and e appear to be one glyph.

samcarter

3:20 PM

@PauloCereda It should be the second one with œ, but the first one is still understandable. You can probably compare it to writing Sao Paulo vs. São Paulo?

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon @samcarter: Thanks, I was wondering if the two ways of writing would denote different things...

samcarter

@PauloCereda btw: how do you call the ã thingy?

@JouleV Nice avatar :)

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Paulo Cereda

@samcarter ~ is called til in Portuguese, and it is used only on a or o to indicate a nasal sound.

Raaja

@marmot But why did you made the move from pstricks to tikz though?

marmot

3:35 PM

@Raaja Mainly the fact that it is easier to use (you can use coordinates like ({sin(50)+0.5},{sqrt(2)}) and also in the sense that I can compile my documents with pdflatex) and it is IMHO more powerful and there are less bugs/unresolved issues. And many other minor things.

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda In those words no, although 'œ' is correct, but in words in which 'oe' denote separate vowels, 'œ' would be incorrect. I don't know off hand if there are minimal pairs of words where the distinction matters.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Oh thank you very much! I was wondering if the grapheme (is this the name?) was just for typesseting purposes.

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda No, it's not. So for example, any word with the prefix co- attached to a word beginning with 'e' would never have the ligature.

JouleV

@samcarter Thank you very much :))

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Understood, thank you!

Alan Munn

3:40 PM

@PauloCereda The term is 'ligature'.

marmot

@JouleV What a nice avatar!

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Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn like in music? Cool?

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Yes. But I'm surprised that you don't know this word, since it pops up all the time in TeX related matters (e.g. fonstpec [Ligatures=TeX] now the default setting but used to be specified.)

@PauloCereda Also Mico's selnolig package for selectively turning them off.

samcarter

@PauloCereda oh, interesting! Maybe it can also be used for coati language?

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Oh I thought ligatures were only font-related features, not something inherent to the language itself. :)

@AlanMunn ooh

@samcarter It gives me shivers to see a tilde on N, S and L. :)

@samcarter In Spanish, their ñ sounds like our nh.

Alan Munn

3:50 PM

@PauloCereda Especially the 's' and the 'l'

Paulo Cereda

As @Johannes_B and I always joke, Señor Penguino woud be Senhor Pingüim.

@AlanMunn Exactly!

It hurts my brain!

samcarter

@PauloCereda Then you should better stick to pt-BR and not learn coati language :)

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn, @samcarter: a bit unrelated, but every time I am watching the Rosary praying in either Fátima or the Vatican, it hurts my brain to hear Maria (Mary) as Mario in e.g, Polish: Ave Maria becomes Zdrowaś Mario . :)

Raaja

@marmot I just recently started diving into tikz, pstricks and asymptote (especially after the tube plot :)). Hence, I would agree with you on your second part of the reply though :D (thats the real fun).

Paulo Cereda

Perhaps a similar effect with @egreg and @CarLaTeX? ^^^

marmot

3:57 PM

@Raaja I just saw (and upvoted) your coil answer. These are the "little" things why I prefer TikZ. There you can achieve anything because there are underlying concepts like decorations. These concepts do AFAIK not exist in pstricks. (OF course, to be fair, pstricks got started when these things would have been crazy because back then they would have taken ages to compile. But now it seems impossible to add them.)

samcarter

4:08 PM

@PauloCereda This also works the other way round. It was really confusing for me to see the church pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/… in Warsaw because I'm used to Jana being a female name

marmot

@samcarter It took me a while to understand you were not referring to the beamer theme. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter Oh my! Jana is John?!

/quacks in confusion

samcarter

4:25 PM

@marmot :) Me talking about beamer? Whatever gave you that idea?

@PauloCereda Yes, so confusing!

marmot

@samcarter You're right. Ducks, maybe, but beamer? ;-)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda And Johan, and Jean, Ian, Gianni, Xan, Joan, Seán, Yan, Ieuan etc. :)

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn oooh more confusion

@marmot duck beanie

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda Yes, the same, lol

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda For bonus points, name the languages of each.

Paulo Cereda

4:27 PM

amazon.com/TY-Beanie-Buddy-JAKE-Mallard/dp/B00002SWW9

@AlanMunn ooh hold on

@AlanMunn German, English, Greek, Italian, Chinese, Catalan, Irish, Japanese, Hebrew!

amazon.com/TY-Beanie-Buddy-JAKE-Mallard/dp/B00002SWW9

@marmot: duck beanie :)

egreg

@PauloCereda The delights of inflection! I was very confused when I was called “Enrica” by a Croatian friend (vocative case). :-)

marmot

@PauloCereda Already the first one is wrong. s/German/Swedish

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh :)

marmot

@PauloCereda And Jean is French.

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Nope. Swedish, French, Scottish, Italian, Galician, Catalan, Irish, Breton, Welsh.

Paulo Cereda

4:32 PM

Oh right, Jean Valjean!

I should at least get that right. :)

And regarding Gianni, I blame an Italian singer from the same town of my mom. :) @egreg @CarLaTeX

Alan Munn

@marmot Although surely there are some Germans named Johan. Bach being a notable one.

egreg

@AlanMunn Johann

marmot

@egreg Yes.

egreg

@AlanMunn And Gianni is familiar for Giovanni.

Alan Munn

@egreg Oh right. That extra 'n'.

Paulo Cereda

4:36 PM

@AlanMunn Now @egreg will hit you around with a big klavier. :)

Alan Munn

@egreg Hence also the name Ivan, which is another version of John.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Which is João in Portuguese. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda And the famous singer's name is Gian Luigi

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh

marmot

@egreg And in German you would be Heinrich ;-)

Alan Munn

4:39 PM

@egreg Speaking of Bach, I don't know how much of a purist you are for authentic performances, but I came across a beautiful version of the Goldberg Variations arranged for recorder consort. open.spotify.com/album/…

egreg

@AlanMunn The music is so good that you can play it even with a kazoo. Possibly better than with recorders. ;-)

Alan Munn

@egreg You are mean.

@egreg Amazingly, the interwebs cannot deliver a performance of the piece on the kazoo. But it does yield some Bach: youtube.com/watch?v=xcPrvlftK18

Avantgarde

Hi everyone. I have a question. I want to replace a command in latex with 2 commands, one on each separate line. How do I make this replacement? I don't know how to add a linebreak in addition to the 2 commands.

Alan Munn

@Avantgarde So one command prints something and the other prints something and then you the second thing to start on a new line? We might need a bit more detail, because how you do it would depend a bit on the exact use case.

Avantgarde

4:55 PM

I'm aligning my equations. Suppose I want to replace

\command1

with:

\command2
\command3

How do I do this? Note that \command2 and \command3 are on separate lines.

I'm having trouble telling "Find" that the two commands are on separate lines. It takes input in a single line.

Joseph Wright

@Avantgarde Which editor do you use?

Avantgarde

@JosephWright TexShop

No good?

Alan Munn

@Avantgarde In TeXShop you can use regular expression replacement (you need to turn on the OgreKit find panel in the preferenes).

So you can search for \\command1 and replace with \\command2\n\\command3

@Avantgarde The double backslashes are important.

Avantgarde

@AlanMunn I cannot find OgreKit in the panel where it's supposed to be.

Alan Munn

@Avantgarde Goto Preferences -> Source and on the right hand side it says : Find Panel (you'll need to restart TeXShop for the change to have an effect.)

Avantgarde

5:06 PM

@AlanMunn Aaah got it

Alan Munn

Then when you do Find/Replace you will see:

Make sure the Regular Expressions box is checked.

Avantgarde

@AlanMunn Great, thank you very much. It works!

Alan Munn

@Avantgarde You're welcome. If you're not familiar with regular expression matching, it's really very useful and powerful, and worth learning more about.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn and it will eventually generate more problems than it solves. :)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Have you been trying to parse HTML with regex again?

Paulo Cereda

5:13 PM

@AlanMunn the clouds suddenly became dark so I decided to stop. For Armageddon reasons. :)

Avantgarde

@AlanMunn I'm not. I'll keep an eye out for it. Thanks.

Alan Munn

@Avantgarde If you're not used to it, then for most searches that you do I would recommend turning it off (then it will behave like the search panel you are used to, otherwise it might do odd things.)

@Avantgarde For example, in a regular expression, the . represents "any character", so if you do a search (using highlight) for e. you will get every instance of an e followed by any character, which is probably not what you would expect. If you do the same without it on you will get every instance of e followed by . (which is what you would expect).

CarLaTeX

5:38 PM

@PauloCereda Morandi?

Raaja

@marmot didn't knew these things. However, it gets more and more interesting as I start diving deeper and deeper.

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX Yes!

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda :)

Krishna

@Skillmon Probably doesn't matter. I am just a couple of hours from submitting anyway

To my eyes, everything seem fine

Raaja

@marmot in the old-days was escaping the shell not an option, especially when you want to complie .tex with pstricks in it?

marmot

6:08 PM

@Raaja No. In the old days you had to run latex to get a dvi and then dvips to get a ps. You could view it with ghostview then...

Paulo Cereda

@marmot We are almost resorting to the Four Yorkshiremen sketch from Monty Python. :)

Skillmon

@AlanMunn your VIM looks odd. Maybe it caught a cold.

Alan Munn

@Skillmon I tried to use Vim once. Luckily it was inside a VM so I just killed it to exit.

@PauloCereda Monty Python is sadly lost on marmots.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn ooh

barbara beeton

6:24 PM

@AlanMunn -- but also a digraph. as i understand it, a digraph represents a single "letter", even though it looks like two letters joined ("ae" or "oe", sorted separately in scandinavian languages), while an "ordinary" ligature simply has two or more letters joined for appearance sake ("ffi", etc.).

Alan Munn

@samcarter Although some animal sounds (pig grunts and dog whines) are nasal, mammal calls are oral sounds (including I would assume coati chirps (high frequency calls) and squawks (low frequency calls). So likely ˜ is not part of the coati repertoire.

barbara beeton

@AlanMunn -- you didn't get to "ivan". but what, pray, is "yvon" equivalent to?

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn I'd still favour quati. :)

Alan Munn

@barbarabeeton For me, a digraph is two distinct letters that behave as one, so 'œ' isn't a digraph, but 'th' is. But there are definitely ligatures that are purely typographical too.

@barbarabeeton Actually I mentioned Ivan a bit later. I assume Yvon is another version of that too.

Paulo Cereda

Oh no, now Dostoevsky comes to mind.

marmot

6:32 PM

@PauloCereda I don't know this one.

Alan Munn

@marmot @PauloCereda I rest my case. You tell these things to young marmots and they simply don't believe you.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn oh :(

marmot

@AlanMunn They may have good reasons. ;-)

Raaja

@marmot now I am getting a better pucture

Picture*

Skillmon

@Raaja you know that you can edit messages in chat? Just hit the arrow up key while in the text field.

Alan Munn

6:39 PM

@Skillmon For a very limited time, though. 2 mins I think.

marmot

@Raaja In the old days (now you get a feeling of my age) I was sitting at a terminal with 4MB of ram. It had netscape on it, and the chance that it crashes when opening netscape was 70%. And rebooting took a while....

barbara beeton

@AlanMunn -- okay. i stand corrected. (seems that some typography folks i worked with on some committees didn't have linguistic backgrounds.)

egreg

6:56 PM

@marmot Green phosphor dumb terminals were much more reliable. But they didn't run Netscape, for the simple reason that there was no Internet at the time.

Ovi

Hello, I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation for a real-time latex editor? I found some questions on this site but they are from 2010 or so, so I am thinking those may be outdated

marmot

@egreg Well, when I was very young my father tried to convince me that one needs punch cards to feed in the information. ;-)

CarLaTeX

@JouleV Your avatar should be the site logo!

Alan Munn

7:20 PM

@Ovi Hi, I think for most of us, it's simply not a priority. On the Mac there is Flashmode, which some people like. There is also the non-free Bakoma TeX, and of course LyX although LyX isn't really simply a LaTeX editor, it's a semi-WYSIWYG editor that uses TeX as a backend. I don't know much about other solutions.

@Ovi And cloud based editors like Overleaf have a continuous preview mode by default.

Ovi

@AlanMunn Hmm okay. The main reason I want real time is because I can't seen to write 3 lines of equations without making a mistake, and I can't also understand the error codes; so I have to reread a lot of stuff. How do more experienced latex users deal with that?

Alan Munn

@Ovi Well, experience, for one. :) But more seriously depending on your editor there may be ways to improve your input skills. Some editors have palettes to choose commonly used markup which might reduce your errors initially while you're still learning. Of course in the long run you probably wounldn't continue to use them.

Ovi

@AlanMunn Hmm okay thanks. I also better figure out how to make the line numbers show up lol, it's also annoying trying to count to line 45

Alan Munn

@Ovi Error debugging in LaTeX is tricky. The first rule is ignore everything but the first error. The second rule is look backwards from the reported error line, since the line reported is the place TeX screwed up, but not always the actual line of the error.

@Ovi What editor are you using?

Ovi

TexWorks

@AlanMunn Sorry forgot tag

Alan Munn

7:27 PM

@Ovi On which OS? TeXWorks is a good starting editor, but there are definitely more sophisticated options available.

Ovi

@AlanMunn I have Windows 10

@AlanMunn Do you have any recommandations in mind for Windows 10?

Alan Munn

@Ovi I see. Sorry I don't know anything about Windows options. Of the chat users, most I think use Vim or Emacs, but they are both kind of daunting for beginners, although very powerful. A lot of people also use TeXStudio, which is cross-platform. Maybe you should give it a try. It has lots of palettes, which as I said can be helpful when you're learning.

Joseph Wright

@Ovi Editors are very much a personal choice, it's hard to say what you might find more powerful/helpful

Ovi

@AlanMunn What makes an editor more daunting than another?

@JosephWright Hmm okay

Alan Munn

@Ovi Well neither Emacs nor Vim are really GUI editors at all. Nor are they integrated editing/preview systems, but are used in conjunction with an external previewer. So that alone makes them not so simple for many new users.

barbara beeton

7:32 PM

@marmot -- rats! now you're making me feel old.

Ovi

@AlanMunn Ah okay got it

Alan Munn

@Ovi Whereas TeXStudio and TeXWorks are integrated previewer/editors. And TeXStudio in particular provides lots of helper tools in the editor.

Ovi

@AlanMunn Thanks, gonna take a look at TexStudio also

Alan Munn

@Ovi I think TeXnicenter is also popular among Windows users. Since it's not cross-platform and I'm a Mac user, I have no direct experience with it, though.

Ovi

@AlanMunn Thanks again for your help, gonna go on a LaTex adventure now and find the right one for me

marmot

7:40 PM

@barbarabeeton Did you ever write a TeX document using punch cards? ;-)

thymaro

@marmot @TorbjørnT. so.... what do I do now? The premise of the question is answered quite fully with Torbjörn's answer (sorry, I can't make the strikethrough "o"), but Marmot's answer is more thorough and explains a lot. (Even though I still don't really know what `path` is good for after this set of answers :D )

(For anyone interested in what I'm talking about: https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/471336 )

barbara beeton

@marmot -- by the time tex existed, the last keypunch i had access to had long vanished. but i did prepare, or at least prepare corrections to, the typesetting system previously used by ams using punch cards. (paper tape was more fun, actually, especially when it got mangled and had to be patched. i still have the drill used to manually punch holes in the patches.)

marmot

@thymaro Clearly, I cannot give you an advice. There have been discussions on this site. Alternatively you may toss a coin. ;-)

thymaro

@marmot I will. Are you tails or heads?

and just to be clear, is tails the number and heads the face with the profile?

marmot

@thymaro I have been exposed to these too, but at that time my reading and writing skills were not developed enough to appreciate TeX, but TeX got released before I learned to write, so I do not understand why my teachers insisted in handwriting. ;-)

@thymaro Let @TorbjørnT. decide....

Raaja

7:55 PM

@Skillmon I will figure that out in the morning.

@marmot I think those were the days long before I was even born, I think. But the situation is pretty clear ;)

marmot

@Raaja What is clear? They should have taught us LaTeX instead of this handwriting. ;-)

Avantgarde

@AlanMunn I see. Yeah, it's better for me to turn it off for the time being then.

Thanks.

Raaja

8:19 PM

@marmot the clear part was on how difficult was it to use tex on those days ;) Regarding the handwriting part, I often get (bad) comments about my handwriting. So I prefer TeX to typeset it instead!

marmot

@Raaja Well, falcons and marmots only have claws, so clearly LaTeX is a better choice. (And just imagine how hard it was if you were a duck. ;-)

Skillmon

9:08 PM

@AlanMunn that is indeed correct.

egreg

9:32 PM

@marmot You should always listen to older marmots.

marmot

@egreg Of course! Like this one.

Paulo Cereda

@marmot ooh Dad Marmot

marmot

@PauloCereda It's a she....

Paulo Cereda

@marmot ooh Mom Marmot

marmot

@PauloCereda Yes. Always listen to her! ;-)

marmot

10:10 PM

@ChristianHupfer Seems like another user is eager to continue the prosecution.... :-(

@CarLaTeX ... and it is hard not to see parallels.... sad.

CarLaTeX

@marmot Lol, ignoring strategy in action!

@marmot I could not resist to post a little ironic comment

marmot

@CarLaTeX They must be brothers. What was @PauloCereda on the identity vs. IP address again?

CarLaTeX

@marmot Just updated my do-not-answer-to-this-one list

Paulo Cereda

@marmot hm?

marmot

@CarLaTeX Yes. But the problem is deeper than that, I think.

@PauloCereda I always thought it is "ooh".

Paulo Cereda

10:23 PM

@marmot ooh

CarLaTeX

@marmot Ignoring him any problem is solved

marmot

@PauloCereda See?

Paulo Cereda

@marmot ooh

@CarLaTeX, @marmot: are you talking about the meta question?

marmot

@CarLaTeX Not for these who are looking through and wondering whether they should join.

@PauloCereda Psssst!

Paulo Cereda

@marmot ooh a secret

I am tempted to write an answer

But in...

Engrish

Engrish is a slang term for the misuse or corruption of the English language by native speakers of Asian languages. The term itself relates to Japanese speakers' tendency to inadvertently substitute the English phonemes "R" and "L" for one another, a process known as lallation, because, unlike English, the Japanese language has only one liquid consonant (traditionally romanized with "R"). The related term "wasei-eigo" refers to pseudo-anglicisms that have entered into everyday Japanese. While the term may refer to spoken English, it is more often used to describe written English. In Japan, it is...

CarLaTeX

10:26 PM

@PauloCereda Good idea, we should reply to him, everybody in his/her own language lol

Paulo Cereda

Hm I need chocolate. :)

marmot

@PauloCereda There was a case not so long ago where I tried to suggest the same explanation to @CarLaTeX. I was wrong, terribly wrong.

Paulo Cereda

@marmot oh no

marmot

@CarLaTeX Maybe we should introduce the two to each other. This will keep them busy. ;-)

CarLaTeX

@marmot I think they will become big friends

marmot

10:34 PM

@CarLaTeX Really?

CarLaTeX

@marmot they are equal, so they can be friends :)

marmot

@CarLaTeX Often it is said that opposites attract each other. At least for magnets that's true...

CarLaTeX

@marmot Maybe it's true also in love but I don't think in friendship :)

marmot

@CarLaTeX I don't know. To me it seems that both of them are of the type "I am always right and the others are to dumb to see that.". So I imagine that they have a hard time coexisting.

CarLaTeX

@marmot Yes, it could be a great match, too, it would be very interesting to see it

marmot

10:50 PM

@CarLaTeX As long as I don't have to see it.... ;-)

@CarLaTeX Looking at the colors of the auto-generated avatars, I do believe that @PauloCereda's statement is very deep and you have a point.

CarLaTeX

@marmot :)

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