TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2018-12-13

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David Carlisle

00:01

@manooooh they have their own font but they also got it added to Unicode, so any OpenType font has double struck d as does the stix font for pdflatex

manooooh

@DavidCarlisle "As of April 2018 this package is considered obsolete. See stix2-otf and stix2-type1 instead"

@DavidCarlisle ok, it was just to know, thanks!!

barbara beeton

00:20

@manooooh -- it's unicode 2146. it was added to unicode as part of the stix project. see the stix fonts (stix2). only a few italic letters have double-struck forms, and they were assigned to the "letterlike symbols" block instead of the mathematical alphanumerics.

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manooooh

06:01

@barbarabeeton 👌

@marmot great profile pic!! Let's continue drawing awesome marmots (and ducks) 😎 🙌

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marmot

07:35

@manooooh Can't wait to see your contribution to this "competition". ;-)

manooooh

07:57

I'm surprised that you always act after someone posts something about drawings, instead of you having your own initiative. But it's good, you're adjusting to what the community wants hahaha.

I do not know, I'm still not very friendly with the TikZ commands... I love that you want to see some of my work, but I do not have much imagination

marmot

08:14

@manooooh During hibernation time marmots generally lack initiative. ;-)

manooooh

@marmot hahaha okay... Mr. magical marmot :)

Skillmon

08:46

@PauloCereda not quite good enough if I have to explicitly state the files.

Paulo Cereda

@Skillmon It depends. :) If you want wildcards, that can be arranged in the rule context. :)

David Carlisle

@marmot you still haven't passed my entry:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle, @UlrikeFischer Issues with docs fixed: upload on its way

marmot

09:20

@DavidCarlisle Yes, because some users want you to get a real German beer from @Skillmon. They pity you only having English bottles with "beer" written on them. (@Skillmon you should give him a Hopf Weisse, if he wins. ;-)

Skillmon

@marmot I thought of a Zwick'l up til now, don't know whether @DavidCarlisle likes Weizen/Weißbier.

marmot

@Skillmon How would he know if he likes it. He's trapped in England and occasionally goes to Austria. But you are right, persons who ruined their tongue by putting pineapple on pizzas may not care which beer they get. ;-)

Skillmon

@marmot do you dislike a Zwick'l?

marmot

@Skillmon I don't know it ... so it cannot be good. ;-)

David Carlisle

@Skillmon Weißbier is OK although @boycott.se-yo' recommends other styes

Skillmon

09:28

@marmot Zwick'l is not a single brand, it's a type of beer, an unfiltered Kellerbier.

@DavidCarlisle sex in a canoe?

David Carlisle

@Skillmon there is probably some reference there that I don't understand:-)

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@DavidCarlisle urbandictionary.com/… (since the reference contains the F word, I might be banned from the site for this. Let's see …)

Skillmon

@HaraldHanche-Olsen @DavidCarlisle this.

Paulo Cereda

ooh naughty people

oh and naughty rabbits

boycott.se - yo'

09:58

@DavidCarlisle i should flag that as highly offensive

Raaja

10:23

@marmot or shall I wait for your soln?

David Carlisle

@boycott.se-yo' It was what came up in a Italian-Czech translation for "pineapple pizza"

Harald Hanche-Olsen

10:57

Since this chat is so obsessed with ducks: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18663860

egreg

11:17

@boycott.se-yo' Really! That product is like making sex on a canoe with a leak!

marmot

@Raaja I have no solution, sorry! (I am sitting in a boring talk with shaky internet.)

Paulo Cereda

11:39

@marmot ooh a marmot chair

@StrongBad I tried to answer your question, deeply sorry for not providing a better solution... :(

Magisch

Hello

I have an impossibly long word that I get as variable and can't insert any linebreaks into. Thus it breaks out of the confines of the tabularx that holds it. AN example would be This_is_a_program_file_name_to_encode_onto_a_chip_and_comes_with_a_random_numbe‌r_aswell_39991.hex as one word inside a {0.5\textwidth} tabularx. Is there any way I can force it respect the table boundaries and break?

Raaja

@marmot Have FUN ;)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Who's to blame for the array hidden feature?

marmot

11:55

@PauloCereda The ability to hibernate can be a blessing, really. ;-)

David Carlisle

12:05

@egreg that broke colortbl? ~~Frank but he did supply the fix.~~ I am sure you accept collective team responsibility.

@Magisch yes you will find code on this site to allow breaking after _ or after any letter or at CamelCase uppercase boundaries or whatever.

daleif

@DavidCarlisle This is probably one for you: tex.stackexchange.com/q/464679/3929

I used a fully up to date TL18 to confirm the problem

David Carlisle

@marmot depends how automated you want it to be replacing _ by \zz defined as \newcommand\zz{\_\hspace{0pt}}

@daleif colortbl update went to ctan yesterday so fix should be arriving soon

daleif

@DavidCarlisle erh, what else does colortbl contain? If I look through the log from that example (on my system), no colortbl is being loaded

David Carlisle

@daleif well the example worked for me, let me check why it worked... (I'll delete answer for now)

marmot

@DavidCarlisle Why would I want to do that? (Translation: you probably intended to write this to someone else.)

David Carlisle

12:21

@marmot tab completing on @m hit wrong tikzkling

@Magisch see comment above (I pinged marmot by mistake:-)

marmot

@DavidCarlisle The only other tikzling so far that starts with m is a mouse.

daleif

@DavidCarlisle it worked for me too, until I did a tlmgr update

David Carlisle

@daleif yes in my development tree of course I had the new version without needing to get it from texlive, but I had tested in a setup using the installed version of tools....

Magisch

@DavidCarlisle somewhat adapting tex.stackexchange.com/a/116471/seems to work

\newcommand{\forcesplit}[2]{\StrLen{#2}[\mynum]\ifnumcomp{\mynum}{<}{\numexpr(#‌1)+1\relax}{#2}{\StrSplit{#2}{#1}{\myfirststr}{\mysecondstr}\myfirststr-\linebrea‌k\forcesplit{#1}{\mysecondstr}}}

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Cunning plan that, breaking colortbl, so you can catch @egreg ;)

David Carlisle

12:27

@daleif arydshln broke, I'll raise it with Frank, see if we can adjust so as not to require a change to that package....

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle and nice demonstration about the effect of the color groups ;-)

Paulo Cereda

13:13

user image

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Skillmon

@PauloCereda I love it!

@DavidCarlisle can I get a diff of the current array and the last revision somewhere, easily?

Magisch

@PauloCereda student of yours or yourself?

Paulo Cereda

@Magisch saw on a blogpost. :)

Magisch

ah

I do hope that gave at least an extra point or two

:p

Paulo Cereda

13:28

@Magisch :)

David Carlisle

14:00

@Skillmon this more or less github.com/latex3/latex2e/commit/…

Skillmon

@DavidCarlisle thanks for digging. I just quickly skipped through it, and none of the changes seem to change behaviour, or am I completely wrong about this?

David Carlisle

14:17

@Skillmon the intended change was to make command (eg calc widthof) safe in the argument of p{...} but actually that's what broke colortbl, the change here was an internal rearrangement fo strut handling that broke the patches arydshln does, @UlrikeFischer just suggested a patch on team mail..

Skillmon

@DavidCarlisle could it be that it also breaks collcell?

@DavidCarlisle just tried to compile an old table of mine for testing purposes, but I get errors from collcell for the old files :(

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle I'm not sure if it was the strut handling. Actually if one remove the color groups added in github.com/latex3/latex2e/commit/45a7f99 it works too. To me it looked like unbalanced groups as arydshln handles start and end differently.

Skillmon

When I try it in an MWE I can't reproduce it.

@DavidCarlisle issue seems like one of my packages. I'll have to investigate.

Strange thing is, that this package should only change tabular inside of another environment, but a plain tabular does result in a Use of \@startpbox doesn't match its definition. error as long as I use *3{c} as column specification.

Ok, \usepackage[table]{xcolor} seems to be at fault.

MWE:

\documentclass[]{article}

\usepackage[table]{xcolor}

\begin{document}
\begin{tabular}{*2{c}}
  test & this \\
  testing & that \\
  tests & those
\end{tabular}
\end{document}

This throws an error, while the following works:

\documentclass[]{article}

\usepackage[table]{xcolor}

\begin{document}
\begin{tabular}{*2c}
  test & this \\
  testing & that \\
  tests & those
\end{tabular}
\end{document}

So it's a colortbl problem. But I have another issue in another table. Further investigating

Ulrike Fischer

14:42

@Skillmon that colortbl has a problem is known, simply get the newest version.

Skillmon

@UlrikeFischer yes, I saw that. But it is not yet included in TL, so I'll just wait, I think.

@UlrikeFischer but it (colortbl) also breaks collcell, it seems.

Ulrike Fischer

@Skillmon it breaks all sort of tabulars.

egreg

First secret hat. :-)

Skillmon

@UlrikeFischer that's sad. I hope the array update didn't also create incompatibilities with any of my packages, that I'm currently not aware of (though the ones dealing with tables are not published on CTAN, so affected users should be few).

daleif

15:40

@Skillmon I'm sort of glad the the memoir version that was just included, now no longer has its own array copy (on the other side, that might have saved memoir users from array related issues as I'm often behind on array updates)

StrongBad

@PauloCereda thanks for taking a look at it.

Paulo Cereda

@StrongBad sorry for the delay, and also sorry for not being able to provide a better answer

StrongBad

@PauloCereda knowing that there is no easy way is a pretty good answer. Cutting and pasting or calling arara from arara seem like reasonable work arounds.

Paulo Cereda

@StrongBad I will keep investigating. :)

Joseph Wright

@egreg Ooh

StrongBad

15:50

@PauloCereda is it worth opening an issue on github? I am happy to provide insight about how I would use it.

Paulo Cereda

@StrongBad by all means, please. :)

Ulrike Fischer

16:08

@daleif which reminds be. There is a memoir related issue in the oberdiek repo: github.com/ho-tex/oberdiek/issues/42. I don't see a way to handle this from hypcap. Imho memoir should ensure that the anchors are at sensible places (with or without hypcap).

egreg

@JosephWright Stealing lines to @PauloCereda? ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh

@egreg he has duck immunity

David Carlisle

16:23

@UlrikeFischer oi it's a bit harsh to call it a bug:-)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle better now?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Bug Pokémon

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer but... my code was error free, I couldn't know 20 years ago that the array package would change last week:-)

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Sep 4 '13 at 19:08, by David Carlisle

The important thing to remember is it's not my fault

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle hmmm

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle you should complain to the one who uploaded a new array.sty ;-)

David Carlisle

16:34

@UlrikeFischer Either him or to the authors of the array package

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle good plan.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer do you think we should reply to jfb's pmboxdraw issue that documentation is just for checking the logs for errors, you are not supposed to look at the pdf output?

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Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle ;-). I'm just looking if luatex is the reason that it looks odd (and why is the docu typeset with luatex??).

egreg

sorry I wasn't tracking this site when this was posted, I'll fix the package at source. — David Carlisle Feb 12 '12 at 19:45

@UlrikeFischer ^^^^^^

Paulo Cereda

ooh

David Carlisle

16:53

@UlrikeFischer you get same with pdftex (the last lot from Heiko was built with luatex as well, I think there was a comment somewhere that it makes or made smaller pdfs)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle you get it because of \renewcommand*{\ttdefault}{lmvtt} in the ltxdoc.cfg.

David Carlisle

@egreg ah so we can blame you then

@UlrikeFischer arrrrrrr who invented variable width typewriter:-)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle ;-). We can simply add \renewcommand*{\ttdefault}{lmtt} before that example.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer yes I just was testing with % \ttfamily\fontfamily{lmtt}\selectfont

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle or that. And while we are on it: what is this \let\orgdimexpr\dimexpr for?

David Carlisle

17:03

@UlrikeFischer no idea, not me

Ulrike Fischer

:48044046 around line 166 of the dtx:

\usepackage{color}
\let\orgdimexpr\dimexpr
%\let\dimexpr\relax
\usepackage{pmboxdraw}
\let\dimexpr\orgdimexpr

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer yep, it is presumably to force \ltx@IfUndefined{dimexpr}{% was that me? I don't recall

barbara beeton

17:20

@DavidCarlisle -- don't know about that, but i can vouch for the fact that he is familiar with this site

@DavidCarlisle -- think "close to water".

@boycott.se-yo' -- do you like this any better?

Skillmon

17:50

@daleif Since all my packages which fiddle with array should do so with \patchcmd or similar, so there should be errors if those fail, I'll just have to check whether the patches still do what they should -- but that should be easy, once I have the new colortbl version locally installed :)

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samcarter

18:56

@PauloCereda Look at my beautiful new hat!

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Paulo Cereda

@samcarter ooh

CarLaTeX

19:54

@samcarter How did you get it? I love it!

marmot

@CarLaTeX Probably ebay?

CarLaTeX

@marmot lol

kraDracsO

20:17

hi, anyone has been having problems with the lipsum package?

Ulrike Fischer

@MarcelKrüger context has removed the unicode table from the lualibs files (in the 11/29 commit) ;-(.

Paulo Cereda

20:39

@kraDracsO Hi! Nothing unusual so far!

kraDracsO

20:50

it gives me a error with the kantlipsum package saying that is too old. But i didn't used it or have it installed.

Alan Munn

@kraDracsO kantlipsum is written using expl3 code, so it may be that that is too old? Is your TeX distribution fully up to date?

egreg

@kraDracsO If you have updated lipsum, you also need to have an updated version of the expl3 bundle.

kraDracsO

21:23

to be honest, yesterday i installed lipsum. Will try to update the expl3 thing

boycott.se - yo'

21:43

@barbarabeeton I suppose you know well the answer :)

samcarter

22:31

@CarLaTeX I'll give you a hint: composing a new question is a very good technique to rubber-debug a problem. During writing the question one can usually solve the problem oneself and can click on the "discard question" button :)

@kraDracsO If you want to produce dummy text, have a look at the duckuments package -- it is much more fun than lipsum :)

kraDracsO

Thanks @AlanMunn @egreg i did a "full" update of the MikTex and that

I will look at that package, seems interesting

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