@JosephWright Just updated TeX Live packages (got expl3-generic.tex version 2018-12-11), but I still receive the same error as yesterday (with ConTeXt from TL2018 – 2018-04-04, and with latest beta). Seemingly there is a local kpse = kpse followed by a local kpse_find = kpse.find_file in expl3.lua.

Sorry, I have just noticed that seemingly this update did not contain the changes in l3luatex.dtx because the expl3.lua file is still the one without resolvers check.

@barbarabeeton according to our language consultants: in British English (which is what we adhere to), through means "up to" and "to" means "up to and including". In Australian English is should be the other way around. In US English they are interchangeable.

@TeXnician Yeah, to be expected: I updated yesterday for a different issue. I'll release to CTAN today for the ConTeXt issue

@JosephWright Ah, okay, didn't catch that. Sorry.

Instead of hats, why dont we get "winter" ducks instead?

@Raaja I can not take part in the hat bash this year, I can't afford to spoil my avatar

@Raaja Look at the list of secret hats meta.stackexchange.com/a/319840/237989 -- hats and ducks are not incompatible :)

@DavidCarlisle Does that mean YOU don't like the ducks :) I wish you that in your dreams you will hear only quacks!!

@samcarter I meant to say in TeX.se different versions of ducks instead of hats ;)

@Raaja Oh, the hats business :(

@Joseph Wright Time of the year :D

@JosephWright I earned no hats so far. :(

@Raaja In case you need more ducks on tex.se, I can recommend stackapps.com/questions/8116/… :)

Naaice @samcarter

@PauloCereda I just got a waffles hat -- yummy!

@samcarter ooh

@PauloCereda however I don't know what I got it for

@samcarter it's a hat, it's enough information. :)

@PauloCereda :) that simplifies life!

@PauloCereda Did you see the secret duck hat on meta.se?

@samcarter where?

@samcarter ooh

@PauloCereda :)

@DavidCarlisle Format update broke L3 tests ...

Am I the only one who thinks a letter to MS won't do much?

@PauloCereda it would make us look naiive, does that count as something?

@DavidCarlisle ooh the naivity scene

@Raaja ask @PauloCereda about that, I do like duck....

@DavidCarlisle you are mean

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@DavidCarlisle oh

@JosephWright I never use L3 anyway so don't care Oh that's bad, in what way?

@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright have LaTeX News 29 been released yet? I could not find it on latex-project.org, it is mentioned in the latest tools update on CTAN.

@daleif on ctan it's part of a combined ltnews.pdf, we should update the website (which needs Frank,... ) I'll add it to the git back end at least (@JosephWright)

@DavidCarlisle looks as if someone added a new box and so changed the numbers.

@DavidCarlisle there is no ltnews.pdf on ctan (according to their search)

@daleif let me check.... (ltnews29 is on github but needs pushing to the master site, which I can't do) see latex3.github.io/news/latex2e-news

@DavidCarlisle no problems, I'll just read it there

I'd probably get my ack together and release the memoir version that does not have its own copy of array. Was too busy elsewhere (and generally stays of PCs when not a work)

@daleif it's also on ctan (in latex/doc) anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk/mirrors/CTAN/macros/latex/doc/…

@DavidCarlisle it helps to go into file search on CTAN, straight search on the front page does not find it, file search does.

@daleif helps even more if you made the zip file that was uploaded and can check the directory structure it used

@DavidCarlisle Too bad! Then def its a triple quack ;)

@daleif latex-project.org/news/latex2e-news updated, thanks for the nudge

@PauloCereda It's bonkers

@PauloCereda There's a complete lack of understanding of S-mode, and the fact its akin to having an iPad or whatever: its deliberately limited in what can be run

@JosephWright exactly!

@JosephWright Which is the exact contrary reason for which one buys a computer as opposed to a tablet.

@JosephWright The problem is that inexperienced users will fear that disabling S-mode is dangerous. Of course, it is no more dangerous that running Windows to begin with.

@egreg Well yeas, but I think there will be adrift in that direction. After all, you have a Mac, and they have something very similar

@egreg And once S-mode is disabled, it cannot be re-enabled...

@JosephWright but terminal is still preserved. :)

@JosephWright After I'm warned that the bundle I want to install comes from an unidentified developer, I can decide. And, as @PauloCereda says, nothing prevents from using Homebrew, for instance.

@egreg, @PauloCereda Sure, but like I said, I think it's a lot of panic over nothing. S-mode is meant for very locked-down systems: it's by-design not going to work with an awful lot of tools.

@JosephWright we could remove I/O from TeX. :)

This is basically us when reading the TL emails. :)

@PauloCereda Yup

@JosephWright ^^ :)

@PauloCereda This definitely does not apply to marmots!

@marmot Ohi, what a nice hat!

@samcarter oh that thing exists again?

@boycott.se-yo' Apparently :)

@daleif -- very interesting. thanks. (another case of direct opposites between british and u.s. english. another one is "table" in the sense of "table a motion".) another conundrum regarding time: what time of day is 12:00 a.m., and what is 12:00 p.m.? i learned that 12:00 was the end of a period, so 12:00 a.m. is noon. but now it's used in quite the opposite sense. thus when making a schedule, i say explicitly "midnight" or "noon" so that it can't be misunderstood.

@PauloCereda have you tried texlive.js?

@samcarter You should look now. ;-)

@DavidCarlisle No, never. Should I?

@PauloCereda there must be something else called arara, judging by the first line of the new question on site

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@PauloCereda I tried a couple of examples, it works surprisingly, but it runs tex in a javascript container in your browser, so would work in s mode I guess

@DavidCarlisle That looks promising!

@PauloCereda he can't be referirng to your arara, surely: " started to use the nice arara package "

@DavidCarlisle you are... oh wait

@DavidCarlisle oh

anybody want a job as Prime Minister?

@DavidCarlisle ooh the Riemann Hypothesis

@marmot Even better!

@DavidCarlisle -- sounds similar to the question "anybody want a job as potus' chief of staff?"

@PauloCereda tex.stackexchange.com/q/464524/2693

@AlanMunn <3

@barbarabeeton Did you see the Onion headline (roughly): White House ficus goes back to Virginia after turning down job as WH chief of staff.

@AlanMunn oh you think that is for Paulo? chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/48021633#48021633

@DavidCarlisle :) Have you read the comments on the question?

@AlanMunn -- no, but i should look for it. somebody said that anybody qualified for the job doesn't want it, and anybody who does want it isn't qualified. right on.

@AlanMunn -- !!!

@barbarabeeton arara v5 coming soon. Now with a complete embedded TeX distribution.

@AlanMunn -- now that's a fine christmas present! (but @PauloCereda had better get busy. time is short!)

@AlanMunn How did you manage to read my secret answer to that question? :)

@PauloCereda I hope you realize that soon arara will be indistinguishable from emacs. :)

@samcarter Nice sunglasses. (Do you need them these days?)

@AlanMunn Check my answer. :)

> I want arara to be the emacs of the TeX world, but not quite the TeX engine of the TeX world.

@AlanMunn ^^ :)

@marmot Na, just wanna be cool :)

@PauloCereda Now that has a much nicer ring to it than "I want arara to be the vim of the TeX world.", doesn't it. :)

@PauloCereda you should have implemented in emacs lisp

@PauloCereda couldn't you add a % arara : source /path/to/foo to arara's commands, so that it also scans foo?

@AlanMunn I just want to be accepted by the cool kids. :)

@DavidCarlisle Clojure. :)

@Skillmon OH MY I SHOULD TRY SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE

@PauloCereda pale imitation

@PauloCereda why do you want arara to become an OS? Did you mean "the VIM of TeX"?

@PauloCereda not sure whether sarcastic or not (why is it in all caps?)

@Skillmon See comments above. :)

@AlanMunn naah.

@Skillmon Duckcitement.

@Skillmon What Alan said. <3

@Skillmon rabbits are smart. :)

@Skillmon you opened Pandora's box, my friend. :)

@PauloCereda why? Because I favour a proper editor above an OS when I want to edit text files?

@Skillmon no, I mean the source idea. :)

@PauloCereda shouldn't this be rather easy to implement? Why Pandora's box? (remember I have no idea about arara, especially not about its internals)

@Skillmon not exactly because at that point arara has already scanned the file. That's why I mentioned Pandora's. :)

I am working on a wacky solution. :)

@PauloCereda you'd have to detect circle sourcing, though.

@PauloCereda is arara able to build other files? So could I do something like %arara : build /path/to/other/files (best with wildcards)? If this was possible, I'd drop my Makefile and start using arara :)

@Skillmon We can have an arara rule to run arara on other files. :)

@Werner Even the comma is right in this one.

@AlanMunn but it is not a prime. the position of the comma at the right place is inconsistent with being a paliprime. whom do we have to blame for this? the romans?

@marmot I blame @JosephWright.

@marmot Six digit rep cannot be paliprime. I leave that to the five digit mass. ;-)

@egreg Yes, that's what I said. Maybe @JosephWright changes his packages before you reach 1M.... ;-)

@JosephWright wow. I was a bit distracted the last days and hadn't seen how the topic exploded.

@PauloCereda I didn't see this when I posted my answer. I am sure what I am doing has all sorts of draw backs.

@StrongBad oh do not worry, it's a great answer! I upvoted it! Speaking of which, I still have a question from you to address, deeply sorry, I completely forgot about it!

@PauloCereda it looks like I probably stole it from tex.stackexchange.com/questions/100585/…

as for my question, no worries.

@StrongBad I will tackle it tomorrow! :)

@JosephWright [name intentionally left blank]

@PauloCereda I have heard that before

@StrongBad oh no

succ(Sep 6, 13) = Dec 13, 18

@egreg Somewhat surprisingly, 'mass' here is not a mass noun, and needs to be plural. :)

@StrongBad ^^ <3

@AlanMunn Amen

Oh wrong mass

Sorry

(")>/

@PauloCereda Indeed. Perhaps there is a 5 digit mass we don't know about.

@AlanMunn ooh a secret

@PauloCereda Or the "We need to replace the hymnals. Please give." mass.

@AlanMunn oh no

TL mailing list has never been funnier. Perhaps during the Debian license quarrels. :)

@PauloCereda Or the "We want to go to Vegas and gamble" mass. bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46515908

@AlanMunn LOL

@AlanMunn: speaking of nuns, there's an Italian series named Che Dio ci aiuti. It's on its fourth season, produced by RAI. I like to describe it as a nun that drives a van and solves mysteries. So it's basically Scooby Doo but with nuns. :)

@egreg, @CarLaTeX ^^

@AlanMunn Masses nouns are always tricky

@egreg :)

@PauloCereda A letter to MS were JF seems to be working now will probably have as much an impact as our complains about the new design

@PauloCereda There's also Don Matteo, a priest who drives a bicycle and solves mysteries :):):)

@CarLaTeX ooh

I need a second hat. The black duck is complaining.

@UlrikeFischer I already got four. How can I send one to you? ;-)

Oh goodness, I can still see the hats even if I "hate them" :)

@DavidCarlisle I have understood. My best regards.

another upload to ctan, they must love us there:-)

@DavidCarlisle ;-). Which one?

@DavidCarlisle I have one to do in a second ...

@DavidCarlisle In the days of RF doing them, I was his main customer ;)

@UlrikeFischer The one of mine that Frank broke

@JosephWright @UlrikeFischer we probably should set up a "full search tree" test config so that we notice if changes in tools breaks colortbl other important contributed packages... (how will people manage without tables in primary colours?)

@JosephWright what had changed in l3build for makeindex?

@DavidCarlisle ? what did break in colortbl?

@UlrikeFischer well apparently this high level interface to extending array changed and so any use of a tabular gave a low level argument error even if you didn't use any colour:

\expandafter\def\expandafter\@mkpream\expandafter#\expandafter1%
   \expandafter{%
     \expandafter\let\expandafter\CT@setup\expandafter\relax
     \expandafter\let\expandafter\CT@color\expandafter\relax
     \expandafter\let\expandafter\CT@do@color\expandafter\relax
     \expandafter\let\expandafter\color\expandafter\relax
     \expandafter\let\expandafter\CT@column@color\expandafter\relax
     \expandafter\let\expandafter\CT@row@color\expandafter\relax
     \expandafter\let\expandafter\CT@cell@color\expandafter\relax

@UlrikeFischer that attachfile issue reminds me i should finish getting that split branch working

@DavidCarlisle it has time, I'm not planing to do something at short notice, I only added the comment so that I don't forget the idea. I have to do something for luaotfload first, and catch up a number of things I couldn't do the last days.

@marmot can you help me?

@DavidCarlisle Not fixed just yet ... seem to have an issue building LaTeX3 docs

Hello!!

For example: wolframalpha.com/input/?i=dx%2Fdy+1

It seems that d has a small shadow

@DavidCarlisle Kernel update broke l3doc ...

@JosephWright what happened?

! Use of \@startpbox doesn't match its definition.
<inserted text> \@startpbox {
                             @{}l@{}>{\hspace {\tabcolsep }}r@{}}

@UlrikeFischer ^^^

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle will know. That's the same error you get with colortbl.

@UlrikeFischer Ah, right

@JosephWright you could try Davids' fix: github.com/davidcarlisle/dpctex/commit/…