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Alan Munn

12:00 AM

@manooooh Well it's a High Energy Physics paper, not an AMS journal paper.

manooooh

@AlanMunn that makes sense, thank you

David Carlisle

12:36 AM

@manooooh people use all kinds of markup. =& in alignments \big( instead of \bigl( why are you surprised if they use ~ (which isn't that bad, depends where it is used)?

@manooooh article is the most commonly used latex class, so it's not surprising if you find article class documents on arxiv.

manooooh

@DavidCarlisle they did not have their own package?

@DavidCarlisle I am surprised because of their syntax

David Carlisle

@manooooh arxiv don't have any specific class of their own as far as I know.

manooooh

@DavidCarlisle sorry I mean amstex, that class either?

David Carlisle

@manooooh no one uses amstex now.

manooooh

12:52 AM

@DavidCarlisle oh, some time ago I said that "the X package is not used anymore" (I don't remember what package was) but then you corrected me. I should say "the X package was amstex"!

barbara beeton

@manooooh -- the initial minus in [-2x - 4y]*regardless of the size of the brackets* is not binary but unary. binary would imply that -2 is being subtracted from the left bracket, which is both impossible and absurd.

manooooh

@barbarabeeton yeah... the minus sign does not always imply that there are a subtraction...

barbara beeton

@UlrikeFischer -- there are also tamarins, several varieties, and all very cute. (but not nearly so chubby as capybaras. i once attended a lecture by gerald durrell, founder of the jersey wildlife trust. he drew wonderful sketches of some of the animals that had been collected for the zoo. my favorite was a capybara slurping up a long strand of spaghetti; apparently they had trouble getting the critter to eat what it was supposed to but found that it was quite attracted to spaghetti!)

barbara beeton

1:25 AM

@manooooh -- barbara beeton believes that amsmath has defined everything according to established u.s. math typographic traditions. quite a few things were not defined (at least some because of limited resources when it was written), and that is mainly the intent of mathtools -- to fill in such gaps. but as @DavidCarlisle says, amsmath is open source, so you can redefine things if you like, just don't call the rewritten package amsmath or claim that it meets the same requirements.

manooooh

@barbarabeeton yeah for sure, it seems these requirements are only for me, nobody wants that. Thank for your support

barbara beeton

1:42 AM

@DavidCarlisle -- er, not quite true. but ams doesn't support amstex any more. if a paper is submitted using amstex, it's rekeyed in latex. that is documented procedure.

David Carlisle

6:44 AM

@barbarabeeton yes of course, I'm sure there are some people who use VMS or windows 3.11 as well, but in terms of global usage as a measure of whether another organisation such as arxiv needs to support amstex, I think rounding to the nearest 1000 (or 100?) users and saying "no one uses it" is likely to be as true as anything.

Harald Hanche-Olsen

7:00 AM

@AlanMunn Hmm …. I've been using \LaTeX all over the place myself without thinking about it much, but you do have a point – it is indeed annoying (though not quite as bad as itex (ding)). I guess I shall stop doing it.

Paulo Cereda

9:34 AM

Quack!

David Carlisle

10:01 AM

Apr 15 at 9:38, by David Carlisle

@PauloCereda dinner!

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh no

cis

10:32 AM

Hello! Does somebody know, how I can contact Hendri Adriaens or Carsten Heinz the autors from polynom.sty?
I would like to ask them about an extension
( https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/454951/polynom-sty-how-can-show-only-the-task-and-the-result-of-a-polynomial-long-divi )

ctan.org/pkg/polynom?lang=de

David Carlisle

Carsten's email is in the title of texdoc polynom does that not work? although comments say Heni os current maintainer

cis

Oh, I have been blind: I found cheinz@gmx.de. OK, I will write to Heinz, in the absence of Hendri.

David Carlisle

10:49 AM

@cis hendri can be found on powerdot list but the web interface hides the full email freelists.org/post/powerdot/Including-urls,1

Ulrike Fischer

@cis I doubt that the mail works, Carsten Heinz has disappeared long time ago. Hendri is a better bet.

cis

@UlrikeFischer OK, I will try my best...

@DavidCarlisle But I don't found Adriens mail in freelist

David Carlisle

11:07 AM

@cis as I say, the web interface hides his mail. It seems that he chooses not to make it public.

@cis he is one that doesn't obfuscate the sender too much: tug.org/pipermail/pstricks/2005/002907.html

cis

11:36 AM

@DavidCarlisle Ah ok, I saw pstricks@tug.org ;)

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