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To be explicit, a student written article I read around that time said that if you talk to Atiyah, tell him what you think. So I did. But at least in this particular case, it had no effect.
But in fairness, British food, at least the institutional variety, is pretty terrible. The High Table was kind of awful too. Quite indigestible.
 
@FaheemMitha maybe he was curled up in his advanced mathematics
 
@manooooh Well, math people, in my experience, don't give a damn about much of anything except math. It seems to fully occupy their brain cells, leaving little room for anything else.
I must say, he didn't seem like the most interesting person. But then, mathematicians generally don't.
As I recall, I only met him the one time. The Master of Trinity doesn't really mix with undergraduates. I can't even remember why I was at High Table.
Of course, it was a very long time ago.
I also met Andrew Huxley and his wife once. Those people were an interesting example of the literary/scientific English "mafia". They both come from well known families. But I digress.
 
What would you suggest me to

\subsection*{Solution}
True. If $a \mid b$, then $b = ax$ for some $x \in \mathbb{Z}$, Then $bc = axc$.
\\Thus $a \mid axc = bc$. If $a \mid c$ then $c = ay$ for some $y \in \mathbb{Z}$. Then $bc = ayb$.
\\Thus $a \mid ayb = bc$. Thus $a \mid bc$. $\blacksquare$

What do you suggest for me to use instead of \\
so I can still push stuff to a new line
 
@UlrikeFischer ah that's changed then so maybe I shoudl do nothing if luaofload is being used (which it's not in the maintest suite)
 
10:08 PM
@Arszilla if you use \\ use it at the end of a line not start, but I would probably use a blank line there
@UlrikeFischer around line 20034 it says
      factor=getthreshold(font)
  print('THR' .. type(factor))
but that is returning nil on the second fond loaded, which then dies in the line I first showed.
 
@DavidCarlisle hm. That's in the core fontloader, so we should try to make a plain example and then ask Hans ...
@DavidCarlisle Do you know which of the l3build values must be set so that a input file for the documentation is copied to the typeset dir?
 
10:26 PM
I use it at the start of a line mainly due to some unconscious decisions
and OCD
 
@UlrikeFischer I can avoid the segfault if I change it to
  function otf.featuresprocessor(head,font,attr,direction,n)
    local sequences=sequencelists[font]
    nesting=nesting+1
    if nesting==1 then
      currentfont=font
      tfmdata=fontdata[font]
      descriptions=tfmdata.descriptions
      characters=tfmdata.characters
   local resources=tfmdata.resources
      marks=resources.marks
      classes=resources.classes
      threshold,
      factor=getthreshold(font)
if(factor == nil) then factor=1000 end
 print('FACTOR == ' .. factor )
but I know nothing here really. I will try to make a non latex example over the weekend, but possibly my callback code is making some assumptions not valid anymore, and Hand might justifiably say don't use that callback if it errors:-)
 
@FaheemMitha wow that's hard
@FaheemMitha so the first impression was a dislike. It is good to know that point of view
 
@UlrikeFischer not just at the moment no, I could look...
 
@FaheemMitha I don't know him. For me it's amazing that some celebrities are like that..
 
@DavidCarlisle there is a curious filetype/file nesting in the code. I'm not getting in which format I must store the file name:
  for _,filetype in pairs(
      {bibfiles, docfiles, typesetfiles, typesetdemofiles}
    ) do
    for _,file in pairs(filetype) do
      cp(file, docfiledir, typesetdir)
    end
  end
@DavidCarlisle I found I solution. I set supportdir to doc and put it in typesetsuppfiles.
 
10:42 PM
@manooooh Dislike?
 
@DavidCarlisle for me your code breaks at line 15485. And there is this function. When I give the factor a value it compiles:
function injections.setmove(current,factor,rlmode,x,injection)
  print(factor) -- show
  factor = factor or 0 -- added
  local dx=factor*x
 
@FaheemMitha you did not like the way he was. But it's okay I think, by devoting so much time to mathematics they may lose the socialization
 
@manooooh Oh, I wouldn't say I had strong feelings one way or another.
I just said he didn't seem like the most interesting person.
 
@FaheemMitha okay, why did you leave Maths?
 
But I suppose there is no reason why he would seem so.
@manooooh It's a rough career choice.
 
10:51 PM
@FaheemMitha a good part of the requirements is to have imagination? Or is that only for the investigations you want to undertake?
 
@manooooh You need fairly strong mathematical talent, and an even stronger level of interest. At least, that's my take on it, based on knowing many math people.
And it's not a great career choice, regardless, at least by conventional standards.
Very hard to get a half-way reasonable permanent job unless you are doing really, really well. For some reason there are still relatively substantial numbers of people who want to do math. And there are next to no jobs available for them.
 
@UlrikeFischer as I say I'm not sure what the factor is doing there, I was trying to work back up the call tree to see where factor first got assigned to be nil, as there it's just being passed in, but it's late (and even later for you:-)
 
@FaheemMitha wow okay, thank you for telling your experience. Is not being a mathematics teacher a safe opportunity?
 
@manooooh Sure, you could teach maths. But it's also not a great career choice, at least in the US.
And probably generally. It's not like there is anywhere you can go.
 
@FaheemMitha ok
@FaheemMitha may I ask why?
 
10:58 PM
Teaching outside universities isn't great. It's not that good even inside universities.
@manooooh Are we talking school or university? Regardless, poor pay, no respect, and often the work isn't interesting or fulfilling. But different people have different views on this, of course.
If you are doing math, you want to be doing research, mostly.
And that's hard. And getting harder.
Both doing the actual research, and getting paid for it. It's ok for the people who are naturally really good at it. But that's a really tiny number of people.
And they work hard too.
 
@FaheemMitha are classes subject to a strict order of theory? Can the teacher leave the program and have his own point of view?
 
@manooooh Depends.
 
I used to give private math classes to my friends and some relatives; I really liked it
 
The real problem is that outside first rate universities/institututions, the students are likely to be quite poor.
 
@FaheemMitha uhm, that's bad :/
 
11:02 PM
@manooooh Oh? Did you get paid?
Where are you located?
 
@FaheemMitha I did not want to, but some paid me. I was not comfortable with that. I live in Buenos Aires, Argentina :)
 
@manooooh You should always be comfortable with getting paid.
 
@FaheemMitha oh really? I thought that enough could be children of some rich family (although in their interiors they are poor...)
 
@manooooh Heh. No, I meant they will not be good students.
I wasn't talking about money.
 
@FaheemMitha no! I do not want to receive money. That's why I love the format of the site <3
 
11:05 PM
So, if you are working in a school for the gifted, for example, it could be a relatively positive experience. But I imagine such jobs are quite competitive.
 
@FaheemMitha oh sorry, so now I understand you; it's hard to stay studying the mathematics career
@FaheemMitha haha maybe
 
@DavidCarlisle yes, but I think the ctan zip it now correct ;-). Just pushed to github. And now I'm going to bed ...
 
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