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12:42 AM
@PauloCereda -- why, yes -- i am pleased to announce that the amsmath users guide has been significantly overhauled, and i've received notice that it has been uploaded to ctan and will be in the next edition of tex live. (how's that for "camouflage"?)
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5:52 AM
@barbarabeeton Yay, that sounds amazing! :)
 
 
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7:29 AM
@barbarabeeton almost worthy of a shift key:-)
 
7:43 AM
@marmot Now on texwelt as well? :-)
 
8:14 AM
new latex 2018-04-01 is in texlive this morning
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@DavidCarlisle Cool
 
@JosephWright interesting final set of bug reports from Hironobu Yamashita :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Working on the .tex one now: I've uploaded again to CTAN using an older l3build and am bisecting to find the problem
 
8:53 AM
@DavidCarlisle ooh
@barbarabeeton <3
 
@PauloCereda don't update until you have finished your thesis (texlive 2019)
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
@PauloCereda Two in quick succession … doing well today!
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen ooh
 
 
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10:21 AM
@PauloCereda ohh. Nice! :)
 
@mickep very interesting! :)
 
10:49 AM
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@barbarabeeton more commas for proofreading ^^
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
@DavidCarlisle oh no
 
@PauloCereda will you get to 5000 before you finish your thesis?
 
@DavidCarlisle oi
 
10:57 AM
Jun 29 '17 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)
 
@DavidCarlisle you are... oh wait
 
@DavidCarlisle yesterday someone mentioned that the Oxford Dictionary (?) changed recently a lot of hyphenations. Do you know something about it? (There is a question on c.t.t. about it and I wonder if it is related)
@DavidCarlisle just found a discussion on the hyphenation mailing list about it. Something did change ..
 
@UlrikeFischer I know nothing:-) the "normal" OED doesn't show hyphenation points anyway, they only put that data in specialist versions I think
@UlrikeFischer ah I see Dominik's message
 
11:24 AM
@JosephWright yesterday at Passau there was a talk of Oliver Kopp who uses CircleCi and docker images of texlive to run checks on tex code from github (he is a very fast clicker and speaker so don't ask me about the details ...).
 
@UlrikeFischer Oh yes, all doable
@UlrikeFischer Depends partly if you want a fixed image or not
@UlrikeFischer I'm not 100%, but my impression is that this approach means you have 'provided' images rather than something you select yourself. With caching, it makes little odds how you get TL: the tests are what takes the time.
@UlrikeFischer I'm not tied to any particular approach ...
 
@JosephWright he seems to have setup a system to store docker images of different states of his texlive and then can decide which one to use for a test. (The docker images are store somewhere else I have forgotten how the site is named).
 
@JosephWright indeed
ooh the patrol bloke is here :)
 
@JosephWright I'm not trying to convince you to do something differently, I know nothing about this stuff but at least understood that is it similar to the travisCI setup you are using.
 
@UlrikeFischer Yes, basically it is: in the end it comes down to having some scripted system which can install TL then run whatever tests one wants
 
11:34 AM
@JosephWright But you are not using docker images or do you?
 
Grading policy.
@AlanMunn ^^ :)
 
@UlrikeFischer no, travis provides a separate mechanism to cache stuff so we are using a cached texlive install, so it's a different technology but comes to the same thing
 
@UlrikeFischer What @DavidCarlisle said ;)
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
@UlrikeFischer Travis-CI lets us pick locations to zip up at the end of each run, and restore for the next
 
11:38 AM
@PauloCereda 5000 getting closer
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh exponential growth
 
@PauloCereda I suspect it is linear, we should do some serious analysis
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh procrastination analysis
I got no replies on arara translations... :(
 
@DavidCarlisle It was quite interesting to see it (even if the talk was a bit full as he not only shows the circleCI stuff but also pull requests on github and creation of docker images and setting up of ssh keys and ...).
@PauloCereda ask @Maïeul to post it on the french groups.
 
@UlrikeFischer I plan to include some of the Travis-CI stuff in one of my TUG2018 talks
 
11:44 AM
@UlrikeFischer I tried Twitter now, let's wait. :)
 
@JosephWright oh no :)
 
@JosephWright did you find the .tex change?
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm working on it: I have to run the entire ctan target for tools in each bisect step ...
@DavidCarlisle Busy with family stuff too, but should sort it today
 
@JosephWright I did think when you said you were using bisect that you might want a smaller test repo:-)
 
11:47 AM
@DavidCarlisle blame Joseph
 
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, but I don't have one set up and what I really want to know is that tools builds
 
18 hours ago, by David Carlisle
@JosephWright so we blame You? that's OK then, order is restored:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh
 
 
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12:52 PM
@PauloCereda -- way cool! and just in time to be noted in my tugboat column (under construction; stretching the deadline). thanks!!!
@JosephWright -- be prepared for some pedantic editing. you have been warned.
 
1:09 PM
@barbarabeeton yay <3
 
1:26 PM
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[english, greek]{babel}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\def\A{\rule{.4pt}{10pt}}
\begin{document}
\textlatin{'a}
\uppercase{\textlatin{'a}}
\end{document}
The apostrophe gets uppercased to a paragraph sign. Has somebody noticed that before and knows a duplicate?
 
1:38 PM
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My next T-shirt ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer LOL
 
@CarLaTeX Which proves that the 4th Beatle isn't Ringo Starr but Yoda ;-)
 
2:25 PM
@ChristianHupfer :)
 
2:42 PM
@barbarabeeton do you want a latex news? :-)
 
2:57 PM
@barbarabeeton Oh, I'm used to it at work (it's not like we get an option: journals just change stuff)
 
@DavidCarlisle -- you mean for tugboat? (or to check again for commas?)
 
@barbarabeeton for tugboat (it's already on ctan)
 
@DavidCarlisle -- yes. i'll let karl know, or do you want to just send it to him?
 
@DavidCarlisle Need FMi to put it on the website too
 
3:14 PM
@barbarabeeton he might be a bit busy this weekend:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Right, I know which commit is the issue in l3build
 
@JosephWright meanwhile biblatex is breaking stuff again:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Hmm
@DavidCarlisle I still need to sort the test setup there
 
3:57 PM
@DavidCarlisle Turns out the .tex business was easy enough to fix
 
@samcarter Ditto on the apologies for the long delay ... too busy eating roasted birds (not duck, of course). On "official" stuff then I tend to use my real name - this identity is pseudonymous not anonymous. texdoc tikzmark gives the game away if you're not sure.
 
 
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5:34 PM
hello
how are you ?
how i can change the color here please tex.stackexchange.com/questions/410022/…
 
5:49 PM
@Vrouvrou What do you want to change the colour of?
 
the picture it is black
i want it blue
like in this picture
@AlanMunn
 
@Vrouvrou I see. I'm not quite sure. It might be best to ask a question on the main site. I don't think it's a totally simple adjustment.
 
ok thank you
 
6:20 PM
Is there an interface to set a property list from l3keys and I'm just overlooking something?
 
6:44 PM
@Ulr
@UlrikeFischer @PauloCereda what should I post?
 
 
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8:31 PM
@Skillmon Unfortunately not yet, although promised a long time ago already :-(
 
yo'
9:24 PM
@ChristianHupfer @Skillmon It's easy: Blame @JosephWright :) Though I believe that it's not difficult to code yourself. I think if you ask on the site, @egreg will think something out :)
 
9:40 PM
 
@marmot what about people?
 
@Maïeul @PauloCereda needs someone who could help to localize arara into french. Perhaps you could ask around in the french user groups.
 
@UlrikeFischer Je ne sais pas pourquoi @PauloCereda ne m'utilise pas
 
@ChristianHupfer ^^^ spot anything missing?
 
9:50 PM
Sorry, I just don't find it so funny to be made into jokes
 
@DavidCarlisle Tu n'as pas repondu à sa requeste sur c.t.t.,
 
@UlrikeFischer c.t.t is so last century, i don't follow it these days
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm feeling old ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer Well, @DavidCarlisle didn't say last Millennium ;-)
 
10:05 PM
@marmot Now I know why you didn't mention germans ;-).
 
@UlrikeFischer They appear on the back side (like many others ;-)
 
@marmot your scroll looks OK, but the text on a Tex scroll should be in the other orientation so you can write longer stuff and some unseen hand appears at random times and rips off one sheet of text.
14 hours ago, by David Carlisle
new latex 2018-04-01 is in texlive this morning
Even newer latex 2018-04-01-PL1 went to CTAN this evening.
 
@marmot I have been thinking about additional pieces for my cardboard chess. A marmot as knight and a monochrome on a tower of turtles ...
 
@DavidCarlisle I was thinking the same thing. That would make a nice new beamer theme, wouldn't it? I mean the text could really scroll...
@UlrikeFischer I think the marmot should be the queen. At least there are some nice legends about a marmot queen in the Fanes region ;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I got it this afternoon in tl (I was in the train until then and didn't want to strain the wifi) and my first document didn't explode ;-). (miktex hasn't is yet).
@marmot Would it cooperate with a duck king?
 
10:14 PM
@UlrikeFischer I have no reason to doubt it;-) (In the neighboring park there are really lots of ducks and turtles, and they really live happily together. The marmots are a bit shy, though ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer feel a bit bad about PL1 when ctan team are under pressure to get things out in time for texlive cutoff, but \UseRawInputEncoding is definitely better now, so....
 
@marmot I'm not so sure about that. Snapping turtles will attack ducks. Check youtube for the gory details.
 
@AlanMunn Not where I live. They are really very peaceful here...
 
@marmot You must live in a parallel universe. :)
 
@AlanMunn Well, if you like this interpretation of the path integral, yes. (I actually don't think that interpretation makes sense.)
 
10:23 PM
@marmot I don't have enough knowledge to have an opinion.
 
@DavidCarlisle Manfred was quite confident that they will manage.
 
@AlanMunn what sort of excuse is that in an internet discussion?
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@UlrikeFischer did you ask that before we updated tools and now base and doc, twice? :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Why internet?
 
@DavidCarlisle lol
@marmot Trolling in person is a little trickier.
 
@AlanMunn Oh, I thought you were living in the US. Don't you ever watch TV?
 
10:29 PM
@marmot I don't own a TV. I do live in the US though.
@marmot And yes, there is some major in-person trolling happening.
 
@AlanMunn Well, I only watch TV in the gym, and sometimes have a feeling that some of the high-ranked officials are not entirely truthful... ;-)
 
@marmot Yes, indeed. And also trolls simply by appointing people to head government agencies/departments.
 
@AlanMunn Now I start to understand why you want to live in a parallel universe ;-)
 
@marmot Unfortunately one of my other available parallel universes (Europe) is disappearing also.
 
@AlanMunn Brexit?
 
10:36 PM
@marmot Yep.
 
@AlanMunn Yes, the internet got really powerful these days... Mankind really has a skill creating things that cannot be controlled...
 
@marmot Yes. I was just listening today to Radiolab and they had a whole show on the ability to make very plausible sounding made up audio attached to video: futureoffakenews.com/videos.html
 
@AlanMunn I guess they could do a even better job. It's really hard to decide which news one should believe.
 
10:54 PM
@marmot much better!!
 
@DavidCarlisle We could call the beamer theme "David" because there is some connection to scrolls ;-)
 

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