TeX, LaTeX and Friends

CarLaTeX

5:10 AM

@DavidCarlisle Oh wow, a palindrome with the right comma position!

@samcarter tex.stackexchange.com/questions/418841/…

marmot

6:42 AM

@DavidCarlisle I would be more impressed if it was a prime. Too bad that your score has 6 digits ;-)

yo'

7:37 AM

You must love the hover text here...

You can also just mash the keyboard at random, but you might end up with a gibberish name no one can pronounce.

David Carlisle

@marmot it would be very impressive to have a palindromic prime starting with 4, I agree!

marmot

@DavidCarlisle It would be impressive enough if you had a paliprime with 6 digits since except for 11, all palindromic primes have an odd number of digits.

Ulrike Fischer

8:12 AM

@CarLaTeX it is not tikzducks, but the tikz picture in the footer.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle I think there should have a matching, flipping comma.

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda they should use periods or small spaces like every sensible number system ;-)

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Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer Exactly. :)

CarLaTeX

8:31 AM

@UlrikeFischer OK, have you seen how popular tikzducks is? :):):)

Ulrike Fischer

@CarLaTeX certainly ;-).

CarLaTeX

Oh no! Someone downvoted me just after reaching 21412!

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Ulrike Fischer

8:45 AM

@CarLaTeX I missed yesterday 161616 because I was so busy ;-(.

CarLaTeX

8:56 AM

@UlrikeFischer What a pity!

Paulo Cereda

9:13 AM

@UlrikeFischer oh no

@CarLaTeX oh no

Best business card ever.

Tweeted by AcademiaObscura on March 7, 2018 at 9:05 AM

@DavidCarlisle ^^

yo'

10:05 AM

The best abstracts are short and to the point.

Tweeted by AcademiaObscura on March 3, 2018 at 9:05 AM

^^ @PauloCereda some useful writing hinta for your thesis :)

Paulo Cereda

@yo' ooh :)

Ulrike Fischer

@yo' They should have added and some dummy text to fill up to 15 characters ...

yo'

@UlrikeFischer I lol'd

Btw, just got a paper published, yay!

Paulo Cereda

@yo' Yay! Congrats, pal!

yo'

I'm tempted to say that this is the most comprehensible to GP of my papers so far...

Paulo Cereda

10:21 AM

@yo' ooh

yo'

Btw

Paulo Cereda

@yo' :)

daleif

12:02 PM

Can we assume that all LaTeX dists provides the if<engine> packages? In memoir we have (bad) emulations of one of them is not found, and I'd like to remove these emulations and throw an error if the if<engine> package is not found.

Joseph Wright

@daleif 'All' is tricky: certainly they are readily-available for TL and MiKTeX

daleif

@JosephWright I think that is good enough. Better to force people to have the proper tests than to rely on improper implemented emulations

Joseph Wright

@daleif Sounds good

TeXnician

1:48 PM

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Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician nice :)

@TeXnician: out of curitosity, have you ever tried Apache Pivot?

TeXnician

@PauloCereda Thanks.

@PauloCereda No, what's that?

@PauloCereda Well, judging from its website, which requires a Java browser plugin I unfortunately can't tell anything about it.

Paulo Cereda

2:05 PM

@TeXnician Sadly, they only show the applet thing (which I don't like). It's a GUI toolkit, similar to Swing.

You can have both web and desktop applications, it seems.

@TeXnician: I saw an app built with it and was curious. I was wondering if people are considering it.

TeXnician

@PauloCereda Ah, sounds interesting, but even Wikipedia does not say much about it.

Paulo Cereda

@TeXnician The app I mentioned is this, is case you are curious: devcompack.sourceforge.net

TeXnician

@PauloCereda Sounds interesting.

Paulo Cereda

2:23 PM

@TeXnician Yes. I really liked the application.

Haven't seen the code though.

Crowley Astray

Hi!
Does anyone happen to know if there is a way/package to make a section in latex collapsible, similar to how Word does it?

Joseph Wright

@CrowleyAstray That's an editor thing: some have outlining

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Q: LaTeX Editors/IDEs

What editors/IDEs are available for easing the process of writing TeX/LaTeX documents? Please state some useful features like code completion, spell checking, building final DVI or PDF files, etc. This question is undergoing a systematic refurbishment, see Let’s polish the Editors/IDEs questi...

@CrowleyAstray Listed as 'Code folding'

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright ~~and ArTeXmis hopefully~~ nothing

Crowley Astray

I was actually thinking about them being collapsible in the PDF, I think I saw that in a PDF at one time

(sorry for the bad wording)

Joseph Wright

@CrowleyAstray Oh, you mean dynamic PDFs

Crowley Astray

2:29 PM

if that's what they are called ^^
Is there a package that makes LaTeX able to create such output? For lists and such which would take unnecessary space...

Joseph Wright

@CrowleyAstray Your problem is the PDF itself to start with: I guess you are looking for OCGs, but fully dynamic is extremely tricky

Crowley Astray

oh, nevermind then, didn't know it was such tricky business! Still thanks for answering me

Paulo Cereda

@CrowleyAstray it might or not involve Javascript, and I am pretty sure it might be an Adobe PDF feature. :)

By that I mean that the trick only works inside Adobe readers. :)

Crowley Astray

huh, my company uses Adobe PDF, but I still doubt my superiors would be too happy if it would exclusively work there...

Paulo Cereda

@CrowleyAstray Completely understandable. :) My point is that some stuff people put inside PDF files (probably some literals or specials) are only interpreted by a certain vendor.

yo'

2:38 PM

@PauloCereda I always shiver with these three keywords at one place.

Paulo Cereda

@yo' me too

I refuse to use Adobe whatever software.

Crowley Astray

Yea, I already wondered why I haven't seen it before (just recently saw the PDF that used it) and thoght I might use it to increase the legibility of my reports ^^

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda do you refuse to use their document formats and fonts as well?

yo'

@DavidCarlisle well, (un)fortunately PDF is an ISO thingy nowadays...

David Carlisle

@JosephWright your man page works with nroff here:-)

@yo' yes same way as docx is ISO and not microsoft....

yo'

2:44 PM

@DavidCarlisle well, if only W@#$ were docx-complaint :-/

David Carlisle

@yo' it as compliant to its iso standard as acrobat is to its.

yo'

@DavidCarlisle sure thing.

David Carlisle

@yo' and longtable meets its spec exactly.

yo'

@DavidCarlisle well, it's important to meet your specs. But having no specs is importanter.

AlexG

2:59 PM

@PauloCereda OCGs also work reasonably well in Evince.

Paulo Cereda

@yo' :)

@AlexG Ah my favourite reader. :)

David uses apvlv.

@DavidCarlisle I will use a longtable tee during TUG 2018.

AlexG

@CrowleyAstray. Unlike HTML, PDF (like TeX) targets paginated content, not continuous one. Thus collapsing cannot work. Pages following collapsed content would have to be re-typeset on the fly. But hiding content or exchanging it with material of the same size can be done using OCGs (PDF Layers).

Paulo Cereda

@AlexG ooh

@DavidCarlisle, @JosephWright: ^^ beware when crossing the road

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Phew

@DavidCarlisle I tried groff on my Ubuntu VM: 'worked' is stretching it, but I did get a valid PostScript file ...

@DavidCarlisle At least for PDF there is a manual describing how things work

Paulo Cereda

3:18 PM

@JosephWright eek

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda You can try it if you like: github.com/latex3/l3build/blob/master/l3build.1

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Sorry, I need to focus right now. :)

Crowley Astray

@AlexG thanks for the explanation! I'll have to live without it then ^^

John Dorian

I will be very happy if someone could help me out with this: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/418867/…

samcarter

@CarLaTeX Thanks for the ping! I actually had the very same problem myself once and just decided that externalising isn't worth the trouble to debug it :)

Paulo Cereda

3:31 PM

@JosephWright: could you mod ping @Mico about TUG 2018?

Joseph Wright

@Mico See ^^^

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Thanks. :)

samcarter

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Paulo Cereda

@samcarter oooooooooooooh

@samcarter we need a rocket duck!

@samcarter: then you can use it as your avatar

oooh a space duck

David Carlisle

@samcarter I checked and it is definitely not a palindrome.

AlexG

3:40 PM

@CrowleyAstray : In case you want to create Layers in your document, use ocgx2 package :) .

samcarter

@PauloCereda Good idea :) However I am not sure about using it as avatar. I once tried with a duck avatar which even had the same colour as my normal one, but somehow I felt strange - like I did not recognise myself any more, which is totally irrational as this is just some drawing that does not even has a face!

@DavidCarlisle Good that you are a mathematician!

marmot

@DavidCarlisle You are wrong. It is a palindrome in base 54321. However, it is not a prime.

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samcarter

@egreg tex.stackexchange.com/questions/418910/…

Paulo Cereda

@marmot touché!

David Carlisle

@JohnDorian splitting the test document in to disconnected fragments just makes it harder for people to answer.

Paulo Cereda

3:50 PM

@samcarter ^^

Probably only @PhelypeOleinik and I will understand it. :)

Well, Gonzalo too if he were here. :(

samcarter

@PauloCereda :) looks a bit like Flash - but from the selection of people you mention I assume some South American thingy? @Gonzalo We miss you!

CarLaTeX

@samcarter :):):)

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter I will help. :)

El Chapulín Colorado

El Chapulín Colorado (English: The Red Grasshopper or as Captain Hopper in the English version of El Chavo: Animated Series) is a Mexican television comedy series that ran from 1973 to 1979 and parodied superhero shows. It was created by Roberto Gómez Bolaños (Chespirito), who also played the main character. It was first aired by Canal de las Estrellas in 1970 in Mexico, and then was aired across Latin America and Spain until 1981, alongside El Chavo, which shared the same cast of actors. Both shows have endured in re-runs and have won back some of their popularity in several countries such as...

CarLaTeX

@samcarter tikzducks is very used :):):)

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter It was a famous Mexican series, very popular in Brazil under the name of Chapolin Colorado. It was a mockup on American superheroes. The name chapulín is a common red grasshopper which lives in Mexico, hence the costume. :)

Before I knew Flash, I knew Chapolin. :)

Ulrike Fischer

3:56 PM

@JohnDorian Use zref to store the various bits and then reassemble them in the various ref-commands. And no I do not have the time to write the code for you.

samcarter

@PauloCereda Oh this sounds very funny!

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter it was very, very cheap, almost amateur production, and it was brilliant. I think @PhelypeOleinik can vouch what I am telling, it was a very nice part of my childhood.

John Dorian

@UlrikeFischer thank you, I will have a google for zref :-)

Ulrike Fischer

@JohnDorian Don't google. Either search the docu or search on this site.

John Dorian

@DavidCarlisle Thank you for pointing this out. What I don't like about huge code blocks is that I cannot see the code in its entirety on the website. But you are right, it's an extra obstacle for copy-pasting.

@UlrikeFischer Well first of all I had to find out that zref is a package. Might as well have been a command provided by cleveref or whatever.

Harald Hanche-Olsen

4:16 PM

@JohnDorian The first thing to try when someone mentions some unfamiliar TeX-thingy like zref, is to run texdoc -l zref. The second thing is probably to enter the term in the search box on the main site.

John Dorian

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Can you explain to a computer analphabet like me how to "run texdoc -l zref"?

(Say on windows)

Paulo Cereda

@JohnDorian Which OS do you use?

(please no Windows no Windows no Windows)

@JohnDorian oh sorry I missed that :)

John Dorian

Doesn't computer analphabet imply that I am using Windows? ^^

Paulo Cereda

@JohnDorian Mum is computer illiterate and uses Linux. :)

@JohnDorian: Do you know how to open the command prompt in Windows?

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@JohnDorian I'm a total idiot myself on windows, but there is an application called cmd or command or something, that gives you a command line where you can type commands? Like one had to do in the old days, after punched cards went out of fashion.

John Dorian

4:21 PM

Yes I think so

Paulo Cereda

I remember it's something about running cmd on the run thingy menu icon stuff.

Please open it then. :)

Ulrike Fischer

@JohnDorian Open e.g. a powershell (right click on some folder and hold down the shift key, then you will get it in the menu) then you can type texdoc zref and hit enter.

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer ooh PowerShell

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@JohnDorian computer analphabet is relative. Like I said, I am one on windows. But not on a bunch of other OSes.

John Dorian

@PauloCereda I did

David Carlisle

4:22 PM

@UlrikeFischer don't some of the tex editors have a menu

@PauloCereda the NotAsPowerfullAsBashShell

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Why no just Win-R?

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle Yes, winedt has one.

John Dorian

@PauloCereda It's this black window which makes me think I'm a hacker, right?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda you could mention a texdoc website thing

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Amen to that

@JohnDorian YES THAT ONE

Harald Hanche-Olsen

4:23 PM

@JohnDorian Sounds about right.

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright Because I never can remember the shortcut and google for this takes more time (also it doesnt open the powershell in the folder I normally need it)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle wow you are clever

@JohnDorian: texdoc.net

Type zref in the search thingy in that site.

Brilliant code, I wonder who wrote that script.

@DavidCarlisle ^^

Ulrike Fischer

@JohnDorian The powershell is blue (but I'm thinking to change it to black, the colors make me nervous.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda it wasn't the bloke who wrote longtable

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh

Ulrike Fischer

4:25 PM

@PauloCereda you got mail ...

John Dorian

@PauloCereda And now? Just type texdoc -l zref ? The command cannot be found.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer I've never seen the point of PowerShell, probably because the Command Prompt extensions + GOW are pretty useful anyway ...

John Dorian

@PauloCereda Well in principle I also know how to find the documentation on ctan, but I would like to understand how to do this on the command prompt.

Paulo Cereda

@JohnDorian Try this web thingy instead: texdoc.net

@UlrikeFischer replied. :)

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@JohnDorian So it seems whatever TeX distro you are using doesn't set up search paths properly for the command line. Bad, bad TeX distro.

David Carlisle

4:28 PM

is this

Jan 21 '14 at 12:33, by David Carlisle

@NicolaTalbot people who put spaces in filenames deserve no sympathy.

the valid answer to

Phelype Oleinik

@PauloCereda Cool :)

David Carlisle

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Q: \includegraphics with spaces, dots and underscores

I've already tried 10 billion advices like using \usepackage{grffile}, wrapping the filename into {} and/or "" (in any combination). Nothing is working! So, I have a file with name plots/task-1/LHC12f1a_/qa_pt:0.20-2.00/VtxZ (-10.00, 10.00)/charged; eta (-0.80, 0.80)/FB: 16; eta (-0.80, 0.80)/ef...

luatex underscore includegraphics

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright well windows decided to replace "open cmd here" by "open powershell here", so I'm getting a bit used to it. And there are few useful extensions, e.g. get-command and measure-time.

John Dorian

@HaraldHanche-Olsen I am using texlive 2017. So I rather suspect I am doing something wrong.

Phelype Oleinik

@PauloCereda Chaves was very good too! Long time since I last watched it...

Joseph Wright

4:31 PM

@UlrikeFischer Ah right: I go for the 'change the address bar of explorer to cmd and press enter' approach to getting a shell where I want

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright Oh I had forgot this method. I should really remember it.

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@DavidCarlisle Given the OP's chosen username, I'm inclined to say yes.

@DavidCarlisle No wait, that refers to Latex, as in rubber.

Paulo Cereda

@PhelypeOleinik Indeed! However, I was more of a Chapolin fan. :)

Phelype Oleinik

@PauloCereda I must agree :)

John Dorian

Does it make sense for me to visit the DANTE meeting with my current TeX-skills?

Phelype Oleinik

4:37 PM

@PauloCereda But it was on TV very rarely :(

Ulrike Fischer

@JohnDorian Yes, normally quite a lot things are even for beginners, and you can always ask people later.

John Dorian

@UlrikeFischer Unfortunately I don't know yet if I will have time at those days.

@UlrikeFischer But I'm thinking about it, since it's only an hour of traveling for me.

Ulrike Fischer

@JohnDorian I will be there but I will need much more time ;-).

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer: Threema message.

AlexG

@JosephWright : Thanks for the enter-cmd-in-addressbar trick. Didn't know that.

Joseph Wright

4:46 PM

@AlexG Got added in I think Win7

AlexG

@JosephWright Long ago I prepared a portable MikTeX installation for when I am away on travel. There I had a *.bat for setting up things on an other one's computer. Among other things it manipulated the registry to add "Open command prompt here" context menu entry for folders.

David Carlisle

5:02 PM

@samcarter can you really not do mkdir ' any weird (; thing;' in OSX?

samcarter

@DavidCarlisle I did not try from command line as this very strange path has too many strange characters that would need escaping, but from the mac file manager I cannot have : in file or folder names. (yes, mac is stupid, please complain to my employer :)

@JohnDorian I heard rumours that there will be a talk about tikzducks, for this you definitely don't need much latex skills, you just need to enjoy ducks :)

@CarLaTeX Indeed! Sometime I have to create a map where ducks are used all around the globe. Maybe this will give useful information about ocean currents :) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_Floatees

David Carlisle

@samcarter in bash on the command line you can normally ' quote the entire string

samcarter

@DavidCarlisle True.

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@marmot @DavidCarlisle @samcarter But 54321 is a palindrome in base 952, which is (slightly) more interesting.

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marmot

5:18 PM

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Ohhh. And 952 is a very special number, it is the smallest integer divisible by 952. ;-)

samcarter

@HaraldHanche-Olsen @marmot 952 is one of the ISBN identifier for Finland

@HaraldHanche-Olsen @marmot It is also a (Sophie Germain prime - 1)

marmot

@HaraldHanche-Olsen @samcarter And it is the number of the Lufthansa flight from Frankfurt to Birmingham. ;-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright If I add this as a test file for weird filenames in graphics will l3build be able to cope:-)

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@samcarter Indeed, so it is!

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Er, good question: I've probably not protected fully against 'interesting' names

yo'

5:25 PM

@marmot there is no smallest such integer!

CarLaTeX

5:40 PM

@samcarter LOL

egreg

6:37 PM

@samcarter Best option name ever

David Carlisle

7:56 PM

@WillRobertson One for you:-) vvvv

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A: Turkish small cap dotted 'i' in footnote

I don't think it should be be needed but you can re-assert turkish in the footnote: \documentclass[11pt]{memoir} \usepackage{fontspec} \usepackage{polyglossia} \setdefaultlanguage{turkish} \usepackage[semibold]{libertine} \begin{document} In Turkish, `\textsc{ı}' and `\textsc{i}' are diffe...

Dr. Manuel Kuehner

8:35 PM

Hi all together. My question tex.stackexchange.com/questions/417485 did draw a lot of negative attention. I just wanted to make sure that no one from you guys thinks that I had any bad intentions.

David Carlisle

@Dr.ManuelKuehner I thought it wasn't a bad question really (and Henri pushed it to the graphics-def github) since it would be me or @JosephWright that fixed this I suppose if anyone should be offended it should be us. That said, it's easier to see the current behaviour is not optimal than to see how to fix it.

@Dr.ManuelKuehner i don't really agree with the sentiment that bug reports can't be reported here, things are not always clearly bugs and it's not always clear which component the bug is in so raising it here is fine. lots of more recent bugs reported to latex or the major packages are essentially just references to exiting questions and possible workarounds posted to this site.

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Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle bugs in your packages? Preposterous!

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda bugs in my packages of course do not exist but people anyway use the bug tracker to request features, or (more commonly) to report errors in their code

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Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ah :)

David Carlisle

@Dr.ManuelKuehner the main problem as far as i understand it is that \pdfpageattr{/Group <</S /Transparency /I true /CS /DeviceRGB>> forces a consistent colour model so things look better on screen but it forces RGB and that may well be the wrong colour model for printing or if the PDF is including cmyk images or .... and basically latex has no knowledge of what colour models are used in included images or whether the pdf is going to be rendered via a cmyk printer or rgb screen or ...

Dr. Manuel Kuehner

9:02 PM

@DavidCarlisle Thanks for the kind reply. Glad that you did not get me wrong.

@Since I am always using RGB and never other color models the solution works for me so far. But I see your point.

@DavidCarlisle I am offline now. bye :)

Ulrike Fischer

9:45 PM

@DavidCarlisle @Dr.ManuelKuehner I tried a few examples in the question (the tikz related which didn't rely on external resources) and can't see any differences on windows with a current adobe reader or adobe pro.

David Carlisle

10:11 PM

@UlrikeFischer thanks for that testing...

Dr. Manuel Kuehner

@UlrikeFischer I cannot check your comment at the moment. But it would be great if the problem vanished.

Crowley Astray

10:23 PM

Sorry to be a bother again, but I just tried writing my own command and it behaves differently with and without empty lines in the definition

is that intended behaviour or might that be a bug?

egreg

@CrowleyAstray An empty line means “end of paragraph”

Crowley Astray

more accurately, it depends on if the } closing my \nohyphens has an empty line before it or not

could you explain to me on why that causes different behaviours? because I can't quite understand it myself ._.

David Carlisle

@CrowleyAstray an end of line is a space and a blank line is a paragraph, so only put those in a definition if you want to add spaces and paragraph breaks in the document.

Crowley Astray

well, I don't, but the \hfill behaves differently depending on it

David Carlisle

@CrowleyAstray as always if you want someone to debug your code it helps to show th ecode

Phelype Oleinik

10:29 PM

@CrowleyAstray Unlike many programming languages, TeX is not free-form. This means that most of the time the way you type the code will have an impact on the outcome, even if the code "looks" the same. This includes line breaks and empty lines.

Crowley Astray

ok, here is the mws:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage{wrapfig}
\usepackage{hyphenat}

\begin{document}

\begin{wrapfigure}{r}{5.5cm}
\includegraphics[width=5.5cm]{example-image}
\end{wrapfigure}
\nohyphens{
test\hfill test\\test\hfill test\\test\hfill test
}

\end{document}

if I have an empty line before the } enclcosing \nohyphens the \hfill will only fill to the picture, otherwise it will ignore it

David Carlisle

@CrowleyAstray so you are adding a space after { and before } at each end of \nohyphens and if you add a blank line you ar adding a paragraph end

Crowley Astray

no, a completely empty line, like so:
\begin{wrapfigure}{r}{5.5cm}
\includegraphics[width=5.5cm]{example-image}
\end{wrapfigure}
\nohyphens{
test\hfill test\\test\hfill test\\test\hfill test

}

I already tested, it doesn't do that if only a space is inserted

David Carlisle

@CrowleyAstray you had a space originally that changes it to a paragraph but you will see the same just from { } if you put a paragraph break inside a group then wrapfig will go wrong

\nohyphens{ %<this is a space
test\hfill test\\test\hfill test\\test\hfill test %<this is a space

 %<this is end of paragraph
}

@CrowleyAstray ^^^

Crowley Astray

hm, ok. LaTeX is a lot harder to get used to than I expected... still thanks for your time :)

David Carlisle

10:37 PM

@CrowleyAstray see this example:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage{wrapfig}


\begin{document}


\begin{wrapfigure}{r}{5.5cm}
\includegraphics[width=5.5cm]{example-image}
\end{wrapfigure}
{test\hfill test\\test\hfill test\\test\hfill test

}

\end{document}

if you delete the paragraph break before } you see the same effect (just showing \nohyphens is not really related to the issue.

Crowley Astray

ok, thanks. I am really not used having to look out for such details, but the sooner I learn the better 1

Phelype Oleinik

@CrowleyAstray And if you have a few minutes to spare, read my answer here. It's not a reference text, but it's the one I could find :P

David Carlisle

@CrowleyAstray it is simple really once you keep in mind that the syntax is optimised for writing text of the document not code and (unless you are German:-) white space is not something to be removed, it is part of the essential input hello world is not helloworld

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egreg

@DavidCarlisle You should learn languages. :-P

Crowley Astray

@PhelypeOleinik Thank you for the interesting read! I also finally understand why many of the answers here have 'random' % at the end of some lines.

Phelype Oleinik

10:48 PM

@CrowleyAstray Not so random now :P

@CrowleyAstray You're welcome :)

Ulrike Fischer

@Dr.ManuelKuehner Well I can't be sure. Quite a number of the reports where very vage and I didn't try to find the images mentioned in the old reports. But imho it would be good to get some current testfiles first before going on.

David Carlisle

@egreg Ich könnte dir etwas Italienisch beibringen

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Try with Turkish

David Carlisle

@egreg hmm turkish option, too technical for me

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Tick reversed, of course. :-)

David Carlisle

10:58 PM

@egreg but more seriously it isn't clear that fontspec should get itself into a position that \normalfont and the default document language are out of sync

egreg

@DavidCarlisle That's indeed an issue; probably polyglossia should cooperate and advertise the language tag

\expandafter\show\the\font
\normalfont
\expandafter\show\the\font

The output is

> \TU/LinuxLibertineO(1)/m/n/10.95=select font "Linux Libertine O/OT:script=lat
n;language=TRK;mapping=tex-text;" at 10.95pt.
<inserted text> \TU/LinuxLibertineO(1)/m/n/10.95

l.16 \expandafter\show\the\font

?
> \TU/LinuxLibertineO(0)/m/n/10.95=select font "Linux Libertine O/OT:script=lat
n;language=DFLT;mapping=tex-text;" at 10.95pt.
<inserted text> \TU/LinuxLibertineO(0)/m/n/10.95

l.18 \expandafter\show\the\font

David Carlisle

@egreg yes that was more or less the basis of my answer:-)

egreg

Or it should be fontspec to realize that the language tag for the main font should be TRK

David Carlisle

@WillRobertson

Aurelius

11:20 PM

\node[blueb, label=center:{\sffamily\bfseries\color{white}a}] (RCP) {};
\node[blueb, right=of RCP, label=center:{\sffamily\bfseries\color{white}b}] (Aut) {};
\node[blueb, right=of Aut, label=center:{\sffamily\bfseries\color{white}c}] (Bro) {};
\node[blueb, right=of Bro, label=center:{\sffamily\bfseries\color{white}d}] (Pub) {};
\node[
blueb,
inner sep=0pt,
shift=($(RCP.south)-(RCP.north)$),
yshift=-\pgfkeysvalueof{/tikz/node distance value},
fit={(RCP) (Pub)},
label=center:{\sffamily\bfseries\color{white}asd}] (Dm) {};

How can I make the last node with text "Dr" start aligned to left?

now It's below the node with label "asd" but centered respect to it, I can't make it aligned to node labelled with "a" that is on the upper layer

David Carlisle

@Aurelius it's better to ask code questions on the question site, but also just posting a fragment makes it harder for anyone to answer

Aurelius

11:38 PM

@DavidCarlisle thanks for answering, I just thought that it was going to be too narrow...

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{tikz}
\usetikzlibrary{positioning,calc,fit}

\definecolor{mybluei}{RGB}{124,156,205}
\definecolor{myblueii}{RGB}{73,121,193}
\definecolor{mygreen}{RGB}{202,217,126}
\definecolor{mypink}{RGB}{233,198,235}

% this length is used to control the width of the light blue frame
% for the upper part of the diagram
\newlength\myframesep
\setlength\myframesep{8pt}

\pgfdeclarelayer{background}
\pgfsetlayers{background,main}

\pgfkeys{
/tikz/node distance/.append code={

David Carlisle

@Aurelius like that?

Aurelius

@DavidCarlisle Wow exactely too kind! but with the same white vertical space that there is between asd and the other 4 nodes.. looks like is smaller between dr and asd

David Carlisle

11:55 PM

@Aurelius yes well I did it by eye (but you can no doubt replace that by some pgf calculation if it wasn't midnight)

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\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{tikz}
\usetikzlibrary{positioning,calc,fit}

\definecolor{mybluei}{RGB}{124,156,205}
\definecolor{myblueii}{RGB}{73,121,193}
\definecolor{mygreen}{RGB}{202,217,126}
\definecolor{mypink}{RGB}{233,198,235}

% this length is used to control the width of the light blue frame
% for the upper part of the diagram
\newlength\myframesep
\setlength\myframesep{8pt}

\pgfdeclarelayer{background}
\pgfsetlayers{background,main}

\pgfkeys{
/tikz/node distance/.append code={

@Aurelius I just removed the belo= key so it started at the left and then added a yshift (as you had used for the previous line) to move it down I just guessed 60pt here

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