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12:09 AM
@egreg It's part of a big document. I'll see if it's reproducible with a MWE.
 
12:20 AM
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Q: Strange artefact in forest tree

Alan MunnI'm getting very odd output from some of my forest trees. Here's a minimal example: \documentclass{article} \usepackage[linguistics]{forest} \usepackage{amsmath} \newcommand{\trace}[1]{$\langle\text{#1}\rangle$} \usetikzlibrary{positioning} \usepackage{gb4e} \forestset{ bnode/.style= {draw=...

 
12:54 AM
@AlanMunn I get the same with TL 2015, TL 2016 and TL 2017
 
@Cragfelt About ShareLaTeX, there is a "Logs and output files" button right next to the Compile-button, there you can find the log file. The first line says that it uses TeX Live 2016, and if you add \listfiles before \documentclass you get a list of packages and version numbers near the end of the log file.
 
@egreg I'm fine with @TorbjørnT. 's workaround (thanks!). It might be better just to email Sašo.
 
1:34 AM
@TorbjørnT. Thank you for the tip. I did not know anything about the version number storaged in log file or \listfiles. Every day we learn something.
 
 
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7:24 AM
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8:30 AM
Morning!
@JosephWright: green light from me.
 
@PauloCereda Did you do it using the review feature?
 
@JosephWright I used diff. Was there an official way?
@JosephWright: tell me!
 
8:45 AM
@JosephWright Ah thank you.
Not used to those git enhancements. :)
 
@PauloCereda New for me too but I think we should look to use/learn them: I'm keen to work more with PRs and the like as they do work, so we need to get used to how best to manage them
 
@JosephWright Agreed. Using the "official" way as we speak.
@JosephWright: cool, I liked the review form.
 
@Werner Wow, congrats!
 
9:02 AM
@JosephWright: Now I am very curious about my Unicode remark...
 
@PauloCereda It's all byte-based, so provided we don't need to search/replace those chars we are ok
 
@JosephWright Yep, I was about to comment that on your reply in that PR. :)
@JosephWright: should I take a look at potential refactoring?
 
@PauloCereda We've done some (for example working on documented interfaces), but you are free to: provided the system still works, the internal set up can change
@PauloCereda I have a few things to alter
 
9:17 AM
@JosephWright got it
 
@PauloCereda I'd like to get the various PRs landed first (yes, I know we can do it using branches, but we tend to be relatively linear)
 
@JosephWright I favour linear paths. :)
 
@PauloCereda Need to see how Will feels about changes
@PauloCereda Next I want to sort PDF-based tests
 
@JosephWright Will is worried about the TeX implications. :)
@JosephWright hmm tell me more
 
@PauloCereda The current --pdf|-p set up is not really right: the tests themselves should 'know' they are PDF based. The plan is to add a TeX-based switch to the input and have this write a marker into the .log, so l3build can switch. That will be easier with the multiple test set ups.
 
9:35 AM
@JosephWright Hmm
 
@PauloCereda All solvable: mainly a question of a 'push' to fix it (I've had one on multiple test set ups from Javier, and a real need to fix beamer support for sourcefiledir)
 
@JosephWright Cool
 
@PauloCereda Should we add Gitter to l3build? Unlike the expl3 stuff, external people are much more likely on Lua code ...
 
9:52 AM
@JosephWright I have mixed feelings...
 
@JosephWright snowed in?
 
@DavidCarlisle No, though there is definitely snow
@PauloCereda Most of the time it's likely not useful: you are probably right
@PauloCereda Perhaps we might use a team meeting to talk about l3build, and so invite you and Dominic ...
@DavidCarlisle About 2 inches when I got up, another at least 1 inch since (I cleared the paths and they filled up again)
 
@JosephWright nothing has been down our road yet today, so it's white all over, might be interesting getting out of the village (only one road, steeply uphill....)
 
@JosephWright I think it works for tools aimed at a broader audience. I believe it works for arara, as the typical does not go in depth about development. For l3build, I think it's more focused for experienced people.
@JosephWright oh no :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Oooh
 
9:59 AM
@DavidCarlisle Is snow white?
 
@DavidCarlisle We have a bus route though the village (a B-road), so it's 100 yards from home to somewhere we can drive
 
@PauloCereda yes and there are seven dwarves
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh and there's an Apple and iMacs involved
 
@PauloCereda Probably
@PauloCereda Hangouts works OK for us I guess (or here, but don't want to monopolise)
 
@JosephWright Nihil obstat. :)
 
10:00 AM
In other news, we are getting a Mac Mini for our TV
 
@JosephWright ooh
@JosephWright not an Apple TV?
 
About 7:15 this morning, making a snowman for my nephew
@PauloCereda Don't think so: £180-ish for a box with very restricted ability, £430 for a full-fat computer that can display anything that is available
 
@JosephWright Ah good point
 
@PauloCereda My Alienware works great in my flat as a console, so a cheaper version of the same thing is a good plan
 
@JosephWright Guess how much (pounds) an Apple Mini costs for me in Brazil. :)
 
10:10 AM
@PauloCereda Err, £1000
 
@JosephWright Close, £1700! :)
 
@PauloCereda BTw, I'll get a discounted price on the Mac Mini as I work in a uni
@PauloCereda Eek: more than a Macbook Pro with Touch bar!
 
@JosephWright You lucky chemist. :)
@JosephWright That's why I cannot have nice things!
 
@PauloCereda I'll need to get a keyboard on top of the £430, but will likely get the Logitech all-in-one version
 
@JosephWright: I will make a list of things for you to bring me from Europe. :D
 
10:11 AM
@PauloCereda :)
 
@JosephWright Mechanical one?
 
@PauloCereda No
 
@JosephWright Really? I am looking forward to buying me one!
@JosephWright Ah cool! I like Microsoft keyboards, they are probably my favourite.
 
@PauloCereda This is for living room use: the priorities are somewhat different
 
@JosephWright I was expecting you coding TeX from your couch. :)
 
10:32 AM
@PauloCereda Cheaper model here is 569€, which should be R$2200.
 
Anybody agreeing that this is not an answer?
 
@Johannes_B Surely not one to be upvoted.
 
@egreg It is just mumble, mostly unrelated.
 
@PauloCereda I see R$3850 for the same.
@Johannes_B Flagged
 
@egreg Thank you.
 
yo'
11:08 AM
@egreg Essence of usefulness: \left. \left[ K_{0},K_{+}\right] =K_{+}\right.
 
@yo' One might add some more \left.-\right. pairs, just to be on the safe side.
 
yo'
11:38 AM
@egreg I vote for \left and \right everywhere!
 
Back from tobogganing
 
@yo' Political correctness!
 
12:15 PM
Travis-CI enabled for beamer
 
12:38 PM
@egreg out of my league. :(
 
1:03 PM
@PauloCereda 75% more! And in the US it's $499, which means R$1640: 134% more!
 
1:23 PM
@egreg oh no
 
1:46 PM
@PauloCereda Ask your government. :-)
 
@egreg Temer? No thanks. :)
 
@PauloCereda -- until the traffic gets going and dogs "stop to investigate things". (there's snow here in providence too. only about half of what was predicted, and, miracle of miracles, the snowplows came by our street at least twice!)
 
@barbarabeeton ooh
 
@yo' -- oy! i've just been advising an author to get rid of most of this \left ... \right pairs in his files. they simply obscure the important stuff that needs to be corrected. also telling him to stop using eqnarray, but the thing is already over 400 pages long ... (he's not a spring chicken; used to use ams-tex, and this is his first latex (ad)venture.)
 
2:13 PM
@JosephWright Another snowman for your nephew i.stack.imgur.com/BOulI.png
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@JosephWright I put a list with suggestions for testing on github.com/josephwright/beamer/issues/440
 
@samcarter OOOOOH
 
@JosephWright I realize that it probably contains way to many items, but I hope it can be a starting point and be trimmed down to a manageable list.
@PauloCereda Looking out of my window I see a lot of snow :)
 
@samcarter Plenty of snow here too, but too cold for building snowmen or -ducks. Currently at −16 °C and dropping.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Brrrrr, that's way too cold! I hope you have a nice hot chocolate to survive!
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Here it is only -4 °C
 
@samcarter It's warm and cozy inside. And plenty of firewood in case the power should go out. Which is not likely.
 
2:26 PM
@samcarter I can offer some swiss ducks: (Suggested background music: youtube.com/watch?v=XwoK0u52Tw4)
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@UlrikeFischer oooh
@UlrikeFischer You will get a badge soon. :)
 
@PauloCereda not enough questions ;-). I can't even get a chess badge ;-(. But at least I learned how to export tikz code from inkscape. I only wished I would understand why it always use yscale=-1.
 
@UlrikeFischer :)
 
@UlrikeFischer Oh, they are great!
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Good to hear you are well prepared!
@UlrikeFischer The -1 is annoying. There is a feature request for inkscape, but the main problem seems to be that the coordinate system of inkscape has its origin at the top of the page or something like that ...
 
@samcarter the code is in the repository (alphorn.tex) (with green but I remove it for the screenshot due to the weather).
@samcarter That would explain the curious values. But I start to get the knack to move the things around.
 
2:47 PM
@UlrikeFischer Good to know! Sorting through this repository is on my agenda. There are many things I would like for the package, the pirate duck, the devil duck etc. I'll just have to find out who of you did what in order to ask permission to use these things.
@UlrikeFischer :) What I sometimes do is to flip the things upside down in inkscape before exporting -- this gets rid of the -1
 
@PauloCereda @barbarabeeton A little update Thoughts?
 
@samcarter It is rather easy to see who did what "ulrike-duck-pond" are mine. And you can use everything. But some cleaning up is needed, a number of things were done as "at long it works ...".
 
3:04 PM
@UlrikeFischer Thank you!
@CarLaTeX May I add your devil duck to the package?
 
3:15 PM
@samcarter Of course!
 
@CarLaTeX Fantastic! Expect a new version over the holidays!
 
@egreg Oh that's very fitting too ;-).
 
@UlrikeFischer It's always astonishing to note how poor a composer was Leopold. ;-)
 
3:31 PM
@samcarter Yay!
Also in Milan it's snowing, double yay!
 
@AlanMunn I don't get it. :)
 
@UlrikeFischer Do you unnderstand this question? I don't know where the problem could be or how chapterbib might help? Isn't chapterbib designed to use different BibTeX files? I really don't understand what the OP tries to do. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/405466/…
 
@PauloCereda Pizza was declared Human Heritage! Now we want the same thing for the caciocavallo!
 
@CarLaTeX Well, not quite. It's supposed to be nominated for the Nobel Prize. :)
 
3:45 PM
@Johannes_B Well yes I did understand it ;-) after all my suggestion to use chapterbib solved the problem: it does something like refsection in biblatex: it keeps two thebibliography environments apart and so you can use them in every chapter.
 
@AlanMunn ops, sorry, I was too quickly
 
@UlrikeFischer I suggested to do what the wikibook suggests.
 
@Johannes_B This won't work if an entry is in both chapters. Then you get multiply defined citations and wrong numbers.
 
@UlrikeFischer Oh :-(
 
@AlanMunn Which one? chemistry or peace?
 
3:53 PM
@UlrikeFischer :)
 
@UlrikeFischer There will only be peace when the pinapple pizza is accepted. :)
 
@CarLaTeX oh
 
@UlrikeFischer We should create the cousine one
 
@UlrikeFischer But given that caciocavallo is cheese curds, I'd say chemistry is highly appropriate.
 
@AlanMunn that's one of Theresa May's red lines I think Free choice of pizza topping.
 
3:57 PM
Make pizza great again ?
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh don't
 
@PauloCereda Yes, we can eat!
 
@JosephWright David is mean
 
Oct 17 at 19:36, by David Carlisle
@AlanMunn that's not funny (nothing about brexit is funny:(
 
@JosephWright the pizza Reformation
 
4:01 PM
@CarLaTeX 95 theses of pizza
 
@PauloCereda 95 ways to cook pineapple pizza
 
@UlrikeFischer Do you want to add an answer and update the wikibook as well? If you want, i can do the wb update. I actually just added that, not thinking about multiple labels (didn't occur to me that different authors would use the same label).
 
@CarLaTeX I got a new draft from our renowned storyboard writer.
 
@UlrikeFischer EU ducks?
 
@CarLaTeX the first four are pizza ducks, the last a pirate with an pineapple flag ...
 
4:11 PM
@UlrikeFischer LOL
 
@Johannes_B I added an answer but I won't do anything with the wikibook.
 
@AlanMunn still true really but sometimes you have to make an exception
 
@UlrikeFischer ooh
 
@DavidCarlisle Been tobogganing?
 
@JosephWright no just digging and gritting the road:(
 
4:22 PM
@DavidCarlisle Ah, did that too :)
 
@JosephWright hopefully we can get out in the morning
 
@DavidCarlisle Road through here was 'fun' this morning but is now clear, but we are a bus route
 
No Android app for GitHub? :(
 
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@barbarabeeton @egreg And you gotta love this: (x_{1}-\sum\limits_{i=1}^{N}m_{i}\frac{x_{1}-a_{i}}{\left( x_{1}-a_{i}\right) ^{2}+\left( x_{2}-b_{i}\right) ^{2}})-y_{1}=0
 
@JosephWright I think I have seen two landrovers go past our house today, that's all, road is still white except we dug two tyre tracks up as far as the rise of the hill and gritted them
 
4:27 PM
@DavidCarlisle Ah
@PauloCereda We had some discussion on the team list ...
 
@JosephWright Any interesting results?
Besides "Frank does not like matrices" :)
 
@PauloCereda FMi was asking for iPhone, Working Copy was suggested: a quick search brings up alternativeto.net/software/working-copy
 
@JosephWright hm
@JosephWright do you have any?
 
@PauloCereda Er, no: I don't get it at all (I have my laptop)
 
@JosephWright oh
 
4:38 PM
@UlrikeFischer include was the link i was missing.
 
@PauloCereda what do you want to do (more than the existing github web interface) do you actually want to clone the files to android?
 
@DavidCarlisle I wanted the diff's, issues and discussion. :)
 
@Johannes_B chapterbib has also commands/environments but with include it is more straightforwared.
 
@PauloCereda can't you see all those just using chrome? (although my samsung mini would struggle to show a useful amount of data I think)
 
@DavidCarlisle I was thinking of a light version, as to save roaming data...
 
4:41 PM
@PauloCereda usually I have data turned off, that is effective in limiting the amount of data...
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah
@DavidCarlisle I get 1Gb/month with Giffgaff: plenty (provided I don't go to Switzerland and spend £20 in 10 minutes ...)
 
@JosephWright Don't ask how much I get with our phone companies.
 
@PauloCereda 1Gb/month, unlimited texts, 200 minutes calls: £7.50 :)
 
@JosephWright I get 200mb/month. :(
 
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@JosephWright I pay a lot (about 30 EUR), but I get unlimited 4G :)
 
4:46 PM
@Johannes_B -- at a quick scan it's looking good. i'm trying to print it out (but having a real problem getting it all visible on the page; using legal size paper, landscape, at 70%. is there any way to control that better?) leaving for the theater in about an hour; will take it with me and mark it up while waiting for the festivities to start.
 
@yo' Unlimited is £20, but I don't get near needing more than 500 Mb/month usual
 
@JosephWright Actually I probably have more than I'd use as well, but it's just habit and I am so rarely out of wifi range if not driving the car that I don't usually notice (until I try to do something:-)
 
yo'
@JosephWright I'm the hotspot for people around, and also, in some of my workplaces, the wifi is poor. Finally, I work from basically anywhere where I am and need good connection.
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah
@yo' Oooh
 
yo'
@JosephWright given all that, the price is not bad. Also, mobile services are pretty expensive here in general. This is a special offer, very special one.
 
4:58 PM
@yo' Ah right
 
@DavidCarlisle -- land rovers can climb anything. (remember "the gods must be crazy"?)
@yo' -- that's just plain silly. (trying to be polite; otherwise, "stupid".)
 
yo'
@barbarabeeton I mean, it hits your eyes when you see the output!!!!
 
@yo' -- true. (and a vision i'd rather not experience.)
 
@barbarabeeton yes but it doesn't help if you don't have one:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle -- well, in my experience, saabs do pretty well, as long as some poor rear-wheel-drive car hasn't gone sideways and blocked the path. (unfortunately, saabs are now going extinct.)
 
5:15 PM
@yo' Clearly, it misses one or more \left.\right. pairs.
 
5:33 PM
@DavidCarlisle tex.stackexchange.com/questions/405464/…: A job for l3galley ;)
 
@JosephWright which could be easily ("exactly") emulated in a few lines of javascript, I'm sure....
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@JosephWright no argument with someone using a simplified context free grammar and fixed catcodes to convert some subset of sane latex input but "LaTeX.js produces the exact same output you would get with LaTeX—except where impossible due to the nature of HTML." is stretching the truth somewhat:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
 
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6:46 PM
@JosephWright @egreg all this discussion on how best to lead people to github and we get two bug reports at gnats:-)
 
7:13 PM
@DavidCarlisle :) Add \discretionary{}{}{} at the end of the code for en-dash and em-dash?
@DavidCarlisle But it would change existing documents
 
7:28 PM
Updated mwe and tikz-timing a little today
Both had trouble compiling with TeXLive 2017. With mwe I forgot to add a build script to the repository. With tikz-timing the PGF Update broke some internal node macro in the manual.
Took me longer than expected to get it right.
 
@egreg yes I was wondering if that was a reasonable suggestion, I'll probaly ping team list. \discretionary better than \penalty\hyphenpenalty ?
 
yo'
@egreg Once more (just a short snippet, but I believe you know what's going on):
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8:06 PM
@DavidCarlisle Possibly equivalent if the language has \righthyphenmin greater than 1.
 
8:57 PM
@yo' shudder – I should not read this chat shortly before bedtime. I'm gonna have nightmares.
 
yo'
@HaraldHanche-Olsen you will get used to it.
 
9:49 PM
@JosephWright It reminds me of some questions here. ;-)
 

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