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CarLaTeX

5:12 AM

@DavidCarlisle because you were younger?

Paulo Cereda

8:27 AM

Quack! :)

@yo' I wonder where Vivi is nowadays

@AlanMunn: one for you futilitycloset.com/2017/12/06/recoupling :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Good question

Paulo Cereda

8:46 AM

@JosephWright In other news, I am tempted to try GitKraken

#persone Enrico Gregorio nel LaTeX Team Complimenti e Happy TeXing Enrico! http://profs.sci.univr.it/~gregorio/ https://www.latex-project.org/about/team/

Tweeted by guitexorg on December 6, 2017 at 7:14 AM

@egreg ^^ :D

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I installed it but tend to prefer to use xterm :-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle uh-oh :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I think it's because I've used windows so long, or something.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Oh I think it's because we are terminal-oriented. :)

Terminal is the most used application of my entire system.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Similar here: I quite like a GUI for a quick look at the log, but many operations are easier using the prompt. (SourceTree for example can do rebasing but I've found it easier to do that using nano)

Paulo Cereda

8:58 AM

@JosephWright Indeed. I think I have almost the same workflow.

@JosephWright: just for fun, I took a look at the Tower client for git, it seems they want to be in the opposite direction: they want you to use only drag and drop to work with git!

egreg

9:20 AM

@PauloCereda Fake news? ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg It's on Twitter, it's in Italian, it must be true! :)

David Carlisle

@egreg @CarLaTeX tempted by any of these toppings? bbc.co.uk/news/av/science-environment-42234813/…

CarLaTeX

9:35 AM

@DavidCarlisle I can't watch the video at the moment but I'm scared of it.

Ulrike Fischer

10:00 AM

@CarLaTeX No pineapples involved as far as I can see. But I wonder what they used to avoid that the toppings fly around.

Paulo Cereda

10:13 AM

What would be the result of a pizza with a \strut topping?

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CarLaTeX

@UlrikeFischer I was wondering that, too! :):):)

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@UlrikeFischer Superglue?

David Carlisle

11:21 AM

@StefanKottwitz texample.net down?

mickep

11:40 AM

@DavidCarlisle It is down for me as well. Did you upload some strange example changing cat codes and so on? ;)

David Carlisle

@mickep no just 10000 images of pineapple pizza as requested by @CarLaTeX

mickep

@DavidCarlisle \dorecurse{10000}{yummy\par}

Paulo Cereda

12:09 PM

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@DavidCarlisle ^^ HELP

CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle I've just recommended some restaurants to an English couple (the husband spoke Italian very well).

Turists in Galleria Vittorio Emanuele

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX So David and his wife were clearly in Italy

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda Maybe, the husband looked like David's photo :):):)

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX ooh

Was he monochromatic?

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda No, but he had a sweater with Vim logo

Paulo Cereda

12:16 PM

@CarLaTeX DEFINITELY HIM

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda Of course!

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda finish thesis first

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh

Stefan Kottwitz

@DavidCarlisle Thanks! Database service issue, checking it.

Stefan Kottwitz

12:39 PM

@DavidCarlisle fixed, thanks

David Carlisle

12:50 PM

@StefanKottwitz thanks

Nepumuk

1:15 PM

is there a not-manual way to transform a presentation or an article into a report?

Paulo Cereda

@Nepumuk You mean in typesetting terms or the actual content?

David Carlisle

@Nepumuk there are hardly any differences between article and report document classes (they come from the same source file) what transformation do you need?

Wrzlprmft

1:52 PM

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Q: Why can you use the font “Helvetica” for free in LaTeX although it would otherwise be required to pay a fee?

When looking for the Helvetica font, it usually costs you a certain amount of money because it is not a free font. But when I am using the free open source software LaTeX, I can use the font wherever I want. But I cannot, for example, use it when writing documents in Word or OpenOffice. Why is t...

Joseph Wright

@Wrzlprmft The key is that the name is not actually Helvetica ...

Wrzlprmft

@JosephWright Don’t tell me; tell them …

Joseph Wright

@Wrzlprmft It might be hard to explain: I guess I can try

Joseph Wright

2:14 PM

@Wrzlprmft I've posted an answer: we'll see how it goes down

Paulo Cereda

2:33 PM

Old but great:

2:44 PM

@PauloCereda sorry, with my memory on people, I have actually no idea who you speak about :(

btw, one bad move with my smartphone cost me 85 EUR :(

Paulo Cereda

@yo' She was a (Brazilian) TeX.sx regular when the site started.

yo'

@PauloCereda ah ok

Paulo Cereda

@yo' ;)

alhelal

3:40 PM

how do I allign this? source code github.com/al2helal/LaTeX_Work/tree/master/CV

minipage environment is used in Address and CV package is used for the entire CV.

mickep

@alhelal without looking at the source, does a \noindent in front of the minipage change anything?

alhelal

@mickep This work. Thank you.

Joseph Wright

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-42250212

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David Carlisle

@JosephWright postscript or tex points I wonder

mickep

3:55 PM

@DavidCarlisle Asking the real questions! :)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :)

alhelal

@JosephWright What do you mean by this?

Joseph Wright

@alhelal I thought the '100 pt' headline was amusing

@alhelal Templates strike again

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright oh my

alhelal

@JosephWright That means, do they give the heading font as 100pt?

@JosephWright I found "A local newspaper accidentally published its print instructions on the front page instead of a headline."

Joseph Wright

4:03 PM

@alhelal Seems so

@alhelal That's the one

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright we had a similar incident here where an old lady was celebrating her birthday. The editor added a remark, "include only the old hag", which accidentally got printed.

David Carlisle

@JosephWright in other font news from the BBC:

bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42251421

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :)

user55789

4:37 PM

Hi, very short question about the TeX live installation along with TeXworks

I have used the automated script to download all the packages etc

And every so many months my tex live manager just goes haywire, and I have to reinstall the whole thing to install a single package

I have tried the obvious stuff, like reinstalling strawberry perl and attempting to download a "fresh file" for the tlmgr.exe

But so far only a complete reinstall works, which takes the better part of a day to finish (on average it takes about 7 hours for me)

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer: great updates :D

user55789

So is there anything I could look at before reinstalling texworks completely another time?

Oh, my definition of haywire is:

Whenever I try to install or update a package, tex live manager crashes with the message "perl.exe" has stopped working

I downloaded my distro around early september this year

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda ??

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer duck project. :)

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda Thought so but can't see anything.

Paulo Cereda

4:45 PM

@UlrikeFischer I cannot commit these files, they are far too large... :(

Alan Munn

4:57 PM

@DavidCarlisle Sometimes comments about @egreg 's answers are very appropriate.

Argh! Sorry, didn’t see it, it’s so low in ranking! — gigabytes 2 hours ago

Ulrike Fischer

5:11 PM

@PauloCereda you got mail.

Martin Scharrer

6:25 PM

@DavidCarlisle: Hi, is your bug report bitbucket.org/martin_scharrer/standalone/issues/25/… still up to date? It seems to work well with the current dvips

However, it stops working when I change the papersize special order as you suggested. Could it be that dvips now takes the last special not the first?

@UlrikeFischer ^

Found it: "By default, if a DVI file contains multiple ‘papersize’ specials, the last one wins; this is also the behavior of the dvipdfmx driver. If the -L0 command line option or L0 config file command is specified, the first special wins—this was the behavior of Dvips prior to the 2017 release."

Ulrike Fischer

@MartinScharrer in tl 2017 and miktex the last special wins if one doesn't use -L0, see e.g. my explanation here sourceforge.net/p/miktex/bugs/2577/#464b

Martin Scharrer

tug.org/texinfohtml/dvips.html#papersize-special

@UlrikeFischer @DavidCarlisle: So the best solution would be for standalone to add the papersize twice? Once before and once after graphics adds it. This way it works with either dvips setting.

David Carlisle

6:43 PM

@MartinScharrer ah yes dvips changed (do match dvipdfmx and pdflatex)

@MartinScharrer are you loading graphics in standalone? (in which case you could use the nosetpagesize option) or do you need to cope with users loading in different orders

Martin Scharrer

6:57 PM

@DavidCarlisle No I don't load graphics

Martin Scharrer

7:09 PM

And the class should be loaded always first.

David Carlisle

@MartinScharrer graphics sets it \AtBeginDocument to whatever \paperwidth and \paperheight are at that point, so as long as you set those lengths as well as the \special then it shouldn't matter if graphics does the special again

Paulo Cereda

7:34 PM

@UlrikeFischer: you got mail and a surprise. :)

Martin Scharrer

8:23 PM

@DavidCarlisle I changed the code now following your input: bitbucket.org/martin_scharrer/standalone/commits/…

David Carlisle

8:47 PM

@MartinScharrer thanks I'll try and test later

StrongBad

9:28 PM

I was trying to convince a user on another site that tex.sx is the nicest SE site (limited down voting and closing, welcoming new users, etc). I know there are a lot of meta questions. Is there a meta meta question on being nice that captures all the other ones?

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David Carlisle

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Q: TeX.SE really are nicer voters

I've heard a rumour, that people on TeX.SE are nicer and more inclinded not to down vote, where as people on Programmers.SE are the opposite. The first is true, where as the second is not. Here are some statistics: ╔═══════════╦════════╦═════════╦══════════╦══════════╦═══════╦════════╦════════╗...

discussion voting

Ulrike Fischer

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Q: A proposal to include a duck in our background image

Nowadays, TeX and friends are far beyond of just academic usage. I would like to propose the inclusion of a greyscale duck (courtesy of tikzducks) in our background image. This is the current image: The following image is a concept sketch. Note how graceful the duck is when compared to the oth...

discussion ducks

David Carlisle

@StrongBad there's also this one by some Italian bloke who managed to find the ask a question button

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Q: Some thoughts about TeX.StackExchange

To begin with, this is not a real question, so probably it will soon be removed by our moderators, but I'm writing it anyways. The day after tomorrow will be one year since I registered to TeX.StackExchange. My profile page today says "Visited 365 days, 365 consecutive" (but this is a leap year)...

discussion community

yo'

@StrongBad Tell them to hit the chat. Because really, the point is that TeX.SE has got a soul.

StrongBad

@yo' was chat always active from the beginning or did it grow slowly?

yo'

9:43 PM

@StrongBad who knows now, you'd have to ask the old here ... @egreg (remember I'm only user number 11002)

CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle Hence @JosephWright is the culprit for @egreg's LaTeX3 mania!

David Carlisle

@StrongBad chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/41/2010/10/30

Jan 14 '14 at 10:05, by Paulo Cereda

!!/eightball can we blame @Joseph for L3 stuff? :)

Oct 30 '10 at 16:14, by Yossi Farjoun

hey! we have a chat room!! OMG!!

@CarLaTeX some of the early chat comments are hard to understand. do you understand this one? chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/41?m=8957700#8957700

CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle Oooh! The pizza topic since April 2013!

egreg

@CarLaTeX I have always tried to teach some uncultured people what proper food is.

David Carlisle

@CarLaTeX 2011

Feb 4 '11 at 21:43, by Martin Scharrer

@StefanKottwitz: Just finished my pizza myself :-)

CarLaTeX

9:55 PM

@egreg Unfortunately, without success :):):)

@DavidCarlisle Pizza before Italians in chat! Oh

egreg

@CarLaTeX Nah, that's German pizza

David Carlisle

CarLaTeX

@egreg Ah, OK, like the pineapple one, it doesn't count

@DavidCarlisle the newspaper around means you are throwing it in the bin?

David Carlisle

@CarLaTeX the newsprint gives it extra flavour (perhaps after brexit they will get rid of the pesky laws against poisoning people and allow the traditional wrapping again:-)

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CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle ^^^ @egreg, a lost battle

Skillmon

10:18 PM

@egreg You've edited one of my answers. I'm not against the edit I just want to ask for the reason. You removed some unnecessary % at the end of line here. I don't think they do any harm so why bother and remove them?

Joseph Wright

@Skillmon I guess 'best practice': ideally lines which end in a control word don't have a % (expect in special cases)

Skillmon

@JosephWright The problem I see here, is that new users could see many answers where there is no trailing % because it is unnecessary there and leave it out on other points where it would be mandatory. So my personal opinion on this is to let them stay if they don't do harm while knowing they are not really needed. I think my filesystem can handle the few bytes more I need on a per file basis.

egreg

10:33 PM

@Skillmon Avoiding unnecessary % is better in order to tell people that one should think where to place them. There's a good example on the site where a misplaced % leads to filling memory.

Skillmon

@egreg never encountered that. If anybody has a link I'd be fascinated. And review my opinion :)

egreg

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A: When is it harmful to add percent character at end of lines in a \newcommand, or similar

Tokenization stage The general rule is that spaces after control words (\par, for instance) are ignored, while after control symbols (\!, for instance) are retained; spaces at the beginning of a line are ignored altogether. Consecutive spaces are transformed into one space token but two consecut...

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