TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2017-11-07

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3:42 AM

Hello, I have a document with long pdflatex compile times (especially on ShareLaTeX, but 30s locally too). Removing the (600) footnotes halves the compile time, but obviously makes it harder to edit. Does anyone recommend an individual or company (happy to pay) that can improve the performance?

4:01 AM

@UlrikeFischer All those underscores dizzy me! :)

@Hugh Do you use todonotes? Have you many tikzpictures? Maybe these could help you: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/8791/… and tex.stackexchange.com/questions/373339/….

Hi, CarLaTeX. Neither of those applied, sadly.

4:23 AM

@Hugh Sorry, I don't know anyone who reviews LaTeX code as a job, I can't help you.

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7:47 AM

@CarLaTeX I managed to make a whole answer without mentioning pizza

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@DavidCarlisle LOL, thank you for the answer, I'm commenting with a little additional question

@Hugh that's weird, I've never seen any document where footnotes have an appreciable affect on the time (although to be honest my documents typically have no footnotes) but there is almost no code for footnotes on the latex format it is more or less directly the tex primitive \insert so there is very little code to optimise.

@Hugh that is: is it the footnotes being footnotes that is making it slow or just that it is that much text. If you have a document where half the text is in footnotes, then removing the footnotes makes the document half as long so not surprising if it takes half the time.

@CarLaTeX don't even think of giving a tick to @egreg!

8:04 AM

@DavidCarlisle I don't vote for the user but for the answer, I'll wait a couple of days to decide :):):)

ZE UNDERSCORES, ZEY DO NOTHING

@PauloCereda :)

8:36 AM

@PauloCereda We could try and convince Frank to use 🦆 as separator instead of _

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@egreg ooh yes

@egreg: I believe @JosephWright might want to have a L3 team meeting during TUG 2018. I will prepare a keynote about replacing the separator by a unicode duck. I am sure Frank will buy the idea!

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@CarLaTeX Regarding David's comment about the nonsystematic use of @ in the code. The following is a snippet from a presentation about expl3 I made some month ago:

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@UlrikeFischer ooh I think Patrick Gundlach was in the audience and sent me a photo of one of your slides. I became famous. :)

@PauloCereda Ah yes. This one:

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@UlrikeFischer YES <3

9:05 AM

@egreg unfortunately making 🦆 a letter would wipe out half of Unicode in pdftex

@DavidCarlisle Antiquated software, we modern use LuaTeX

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@egreg It has already invaded emacs! Is there no hope?

         to input: type "C-x 8 RET 1f986" or "C-x 8 RET DUCK"

Maybe this could make @PauloCereda switch …

@HaraldHanche-Olsen it's a trojan, to secretly transmogrify emacs into vim

@UlrikeFischer Oooh

9:24 AM

@UlrikeFischer presumably highlighting how it's much easier to read the parts at the right than the words to the left?

@DavidCarlisle no accents and umlauts involved, there is also one z, so both sides should be easy to read for you as you know all languages anyway.

@UlrikeFischer for some reason I find it harder to read images.....

@DavidCarlisle support.google.com/translate/answer/6142483?hl=en

9:44 AM

@UlrikeFischer I do have that app on my phone:-)

@DavidCarlisle The results for me are a bit curious, it has some problems with the \ and @ ;-) but the text itself not bad. (I made only a rather bad photo from the screen).

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11:00 AM

@yo' that explains @PauloCereda's video at UKTUG (see the first 20 seconds)

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12:31 PM

Hmm @Dav

Hmm @DavidCarlisle that is a good point. The footnotes are 20% of the document by character count -- definitely a lot of the document -- which might explain the difference.

1:15 PM

@UlrikeFischer @PauloCereda's chicken in action: tex.stackexchange.com/q/400119/36296

@samcarter ;-)

@samcarter ooh

1:34 PM

Does anyone have any experience working with OTF fonts in EPS files? The EPS files are to be imported into InDesign. I've made PDF versions using lualatex, croped them using pdfcrop and then used pdftops -eps to get the EPS files. Ghoscript does not seem to mind the file, but then imported into InDesign chars are disappearing.

perhaps a gs version that are too old?

I have 9.10

1:49 PM

Hmm, not sure if pdftops used ghostscript.

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3:00 PM

Any ConTeXt user here who by heart knows if I can set an arbitrary tag to a displayed formula? Before \eqno worked, but no more. Say I want to tag the formula with (foo).

3:19 PM

@Ignasi: Hola!

3:58 PM

\stepcounter{thesis@class}

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Q: Longtable Assist- Undefined Control Sequence

I am trying to produce quiet a few tables for my thesis and keep running into an issue when trying to make a table a long table. While I can get the table to work in just a document on its own - there seems to be an issue when its in my thesis. I keep getting an error 'Undefined control sequenc...

longtable texmaker

4:09 PM

@TeXnician Quite near to the upper limit for counters!

@egreg Well, I guess then the questions belong to StackOverflow ;)

@TeXnician Not my fault (whatever the problem is:-)

@DavidCarlisle The problem seems to be an undefined thesis class (maybe not as empty as @PauloCereda's). If you do not accidentally write classes called thesis...

Asked to pick out choices for the Office Christmas Lunch. The potatoes with the turkey sound good.

@TeXnician oi

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@DavidCarlisle you are mean

4:15 PM

@DavidCarlisle Turkey and duck fat? Turkey and fat duck would have been better ;)

Jun 29 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)

@DavidCarlisle oh

@PauloCereda @CarLaTeX I am sure would order the rice pudding for dessert.

@DavidCarlisle You think they serve it on pizza?

@TeXnician I hope not otherwise I'd wish I'd made that choice.

4:39 PM

@DavidCarlisle Pineapple and duck breast in one unique menu OMG! :):):)

@yo': can I ask something that really bothered me for a long time (music theory)?

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6:02 PM

@PauloCereda hit me, I'll try to answer

@yo' It's silly, so pardon me beforehand.

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@PauloCereda I'm used to that :)

@yo' :) Does this sound correct to you? (pardon the pun)

@PauloCereda in what sense? The second and third notes are off beat, but that's pretty common

The tempo matches, but inside my head it's so weird to have a quarter note starting at the "and"...

@yo' Ah "off beat" is the word I was looking for.

6:05 PM

@PauloCereda in English yes, in other languages it might be syncopic or syncopal or alike

@yo' Oh true! I forgot about that term.

@yo' Now you restored my peace. Thanks, pal!

@PauloCereda lol, you're the most welcome :)

@yo' :)

@yo': you got a bonus in your email. :)

@yo' “Ritmo sincopato” in Italian.

@egreg Phonetically, translate "sim com pato" from Portuguese to English. :)

6:12 PM

@PauloCereda :-D

Quack! :)

@PauloCereda goodness!

@yo' shh it's a secret :)

6:42 PM

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@DavidCarlisle ^^

@PauloCereda I knew he had a secret to hide!

@egreg Being so tall, it's difficult. :)

6:56 PM

@PauloCereda Did you notice David's sweater?

@CarLaTeX no... OH

7:11 PM

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@DavidCarlisle well I never

@PauloCereda see hangouts

7:35 PM

@PauloCereda hello

@DavidCarlisle quack

@DavidCarlisle: you are mean

@PauloCereda hmm roast potatoes

@DavidCarlisle OI

Jun 29 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)

@DavidCarlisle OH

Sorry, caps on. :)

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LegionMammal978

8:42 PM

huh

One of my TikZ coordinates is literally 1234.5

Too bad it's eventually scaled down by a factor of 3

does anyone here have experience with the justification features of SIL graphite in XeTeX?

@DavidCarlisle the user level macros described in interface3.pdf for regex-replacement do require a token list variable which should be altered, as far as I can tell, therefore I need the assignment. Or am I mistaken?

@Skillmon no I'm talking nonsense (I'll delete the comments in the question) sorry:-)

@DavidCarlisle boy you confused me there...

@Skillmon I blame Bruno, if he can write an expandable ieee floating point module, why did he slack off and use assignments to implement regex:-)

8:58 PM

@DavidCarlisle it's a shame. I thought l3regex needs more work anyway...

@DavidCarlisle but in the corresponding section in interface3.pdf an expandable version without the need of assignments is not listed :(

@Skillmon no one reads documentation

@DavidCarlisle sometimes I do (never complete.. only extensive use of the search function of my pdf-viewer)

@Skillmon on the day job I maintain a 13000 page manual, which is more than enough documentation, I don't want to read tex manuals as well:-)

@DavidCarlisle but reading those is the only reasonable way to solve your issues alone while learning some stuff (if you don't know the entirety of (La)TeX -- e.g. if your online pseudonym is egreg or your name David Carlisle or the like)

9:15 PM

@Skillmon as already proved this evening you shouldn't believe everything I say:-) although it is true for most packages I am more likely to look at the .sty file than the documentation, for big libraries like tikz or expl3 that isn't really that good a starting point.

Hello @DavidCarlisle ! I am looking again at changing the name Bibliography in greek, because now I changed the documentclass and now "\def\refname{\textgreek{Βιβλιογραφία}}" does not help. I have the following code:

\documentclass[chapterprefix=true]{scrreprt}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[english, greek]{babel}
\usepackage{hyperref}
\usepackage{amsmath}
\usepackage{amsthm}
\usepackage{amsfonts}
\usepackage{graphicx,babel,titling}
\usepackage[margin = 3cm]{geometry}
\usepackage{booktabs}
\usepackage{amssymb}
\usepackage[sf,sl,outermarks]{titlesec}

\newcommand*{\HRule}{\hrule height 5pt}

\titleformat{\chapter}[display]
  {\bfseries\Large}
  {\MakeUppercase{\chaptertitlename} \Huge\thechapter}
  {4ex}

@MaryStar using titlesec along with scrreprt is discouraged (just saying, if it works for you, it's fine, I guess -- but note that KOMA-script provides it's own means for changing the title's appearance).

@MaryStar \bibname not \refname

@ChristianHupfer I'm hoping to make your comment false :-)

Ah ok! It works! Thank you! :-)

@MaryStar in English babel defines \refname and \bibname as References and Bibliography (which mean the same thing in this context) some classes use one and some the other

9:31 PM

Ah ok, I see

Christian Hupfer

9:49 PM

@DavidCarlisle: Huh?

@ChristianHupfer umlauts and [utf8]{inputenc}

10:20 PM

@Skillmon But that's where you're wrong. As we know from the site, you just ask your question here without reading the documentation, and them someone who has read it will tell you what's in the documentation. :)

@AlanMunn But then I'd have to read the answer. Can I ask a question here what's in the answer to my question?

@Skillmon :) Just turn on text-to-speech and your computer with read the answer for you.

@AlanMunn isn't installed on my Arch-box. Can I ask a question on how to write a TeX-document which would read the text to me?

@Skillmon Also, judging from some of the questions, we're supposed to figure out both the questions and the answers. This is why the crystal-ball tag is needed.

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@Skillmon Soon LuaTeX will do this I'm sure.

10:42 PM

@AlanMunn YES!

@AlanMunn please in plainTeX!

@DavidCarlisle Imho the utf8-problem was simply a crystal-ball question: tex.stackexchange.com/a/400218/2388

Maybe I'll release a new version of ducksay the end of this week with a stupid implementation of automatic line wrapping (and I mean stupid) -- I started some tests and those might work out. If anybody wants to implement a smart way, feel free to do it.

11:08 PM

@UlrikeFischer well yes it has edef or non protected \write written all over it:-)

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