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Johannes_B

3:20 AM

@DavidCarlisle The template question was asked before and was answered. And i honestly don't know what to answer there.

Don't use templates?

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Johannes_B

6:06 AM

@DavidCarlisle By the way, i voted to close for tex.stackexchange.com/questions/396155/…

CarLaTeX

8:30 AM

Have you noticed a lot of crystal ball question this morning?

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B thanks just wanted to check I hadn't totally misled the OP:-)

Paulo Cereda

9:03 AM

Quack!

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Quack!

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright ooh another duck :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Think I'll try out Cuphead, then: I've been playing The Witcher series and am right at the end of the last one. The difficulty shoots up for the very last boss :(

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Oh. :) I think Cuphead is an interesting game. I recommend a control remap though. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Ack

Paulo Cereda

9:14 AM

@JosephWright I think the Steam reviews for that game are fantastic. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Cool: I'll sort it once I get back to my flat (and thus my gaming PC)

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@JosephWright Is that an up quack, or a down quack? Or perhaps a strange quack?

Joseph Wright

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Up quack

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Charmed quack ;)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Awesome. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Probably laptop would run it too ... it did win 'laptop of the year' in the PC magazine I read :)

Paulo Cereda

9:16 AM

@JosephWright Oh that's cool! Your new Dell machine?

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Laptop and gaming machine are both Dell (latter is Alienware brand): I have a Dell XPS 13" (2017) laptop

It is very good

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright I imagine so. :) XPS was always my dream, but it's very expensive.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Cost me £1050 from John Lewis (well-know high street department store)

@PauloCereda Apple MacBook Pro would have been more even with the academic discount

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright MacBooks are definitely out of my league. A rough conversion tells me around £3500

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda WOW!

@PauloCereda MacBook Pro starts at £1400, which I get 15% off as I work at a university

Paulo Cereda

9:25 AM

@JosephWright Welcome to Brazil. :( Things are really expensive around here. And worst of all, we pay for obsolete hardware.

@JosephWright No discount for us, specially ducks. :)

Joseph Wright

Brazil 26 States Song/Learn About Brazil

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Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Wow, surprisingly good! :) Trivia: Rio de Janeiro was once the capital of Brazil, and if you come to Brazil for TUG, you will probably enter the country through Rio Grande do Norte. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda :)

@PauloCereda Nephew loves these videos

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright how nice!

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Can get a bit repetitive after a while ...

Paulo Cereda

9:40 AM

@JosephWright :D

@JosephWright: this is probably not suitable for kids:

Brazil : animated music video : MrWeebl

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:D

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda There are a lot of these videos

Paulo Cereda

10:04 AM

@JosephWright ^^ :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Do you know what a student of German once said? “I would rather decline two drinks than one German adjective” (Mark Twain)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg LOL

Johannes_B

10:35 AM

@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle @egreg Does anybody want to write an answer that package updates happen? latex.org/forum/…

There is a chance that a Poltergeist i messing with your LaTeX installation. Garlic or the excessive use of \newline does not help.

Paulo Cereda

12:32 PM

Back from the mass!

Paulo Cereda

1:01 PM

Come to the Dark Side - we have waffles! #StarWars Death Star Waffle Maker: http://bit.ly/2vUn4ph

Tweeted by thinkgeek on October 15, 2017 at 1:00 PM

@ChristianHupfer ^^

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Nom nom nom

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright I never had waffles... :(

egreg

@Johannes_B Shooting a silver bullet to the computer doesn't help either

Johannes_B

@egreg :-)

Harald Hanche-Olsen

1:21 PM

@PauloCereda A bit of searching the ´net reveals that duck and waffle is a culinary thing. I could not find a single example of waffles with live ducks! So you'd better stay away from waffles, for your own health (mental and physical).

Paulo Cereda

@HaraldHanche-Olsen oh no

@HaraldHanche-Olsen I think @DavidCarlisle will post something along those lines sooner or later. :)

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda duckandwafflelocal.com

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX wow

Joseph Wright

Trying out Gitkraken ...

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright oh

Joseph Wright

1:35 PM

@PauloCereda Reasons will become clear shortly: team list 'stuff'

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright ah

Harald Hanche-Olsen

1:53 PM

@JosephWright Hadn't heard of it before. Looks interesting.

Christian Hupfer

2:18 PM

@PauloCereda Want some ..... Where is the Tie - Fighter Waffle Maker then? I'll give you my address to which you can ship the Waffle Makers ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer I will not buy this address, it's scratched. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Naughty Duck

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer oi

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda <3 ... I just wanted to annoi you :-P

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer ooh <3

Christian Hupfer

2:31 PM

@PauloCereda What's the state of your ... .... ah, yes, thesis? ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer it's... going :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda ... away? ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer somewhere. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Ah, there ... at somewhere ;-)

Joseph Wright

3:15 PM

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Yes, looks good (though I'm happy with the CLI)

Ulrike Fischer

4:30 PM

@DavidCarlisle with plan c code this would work too: tex.stackexchange.com/a/396327/2388.

Harald Hanche-Olsen

4:57 PM

@JosephWright Me too. I am using magit more now, but always revert to CLI git when I don't know how to do something with magit.

David Carlisle

7:19 PM

@UlrikeFischer yes I'll try to get some code running (done nothing this weekend just got back from parents)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle Actually in this case \TextOrMath instead of \ifmmode seems to work fine.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer yes robust commands have a relax specifically so they work at start of table cells

Ulrike Fischer

7:37 PM

@DavidCarlisle Yes but it seems that is doesn't disturb the kerning either. So somehow the \relax disappears.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer oh lied that's why!

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle lied??

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer it must be @JosephWright's influence, it uses one of those new fangled \protected\def

@UlrikeFischer vvv

\expandafter\ifx\csname protected\endcsname\relax
\DeclareRobustCommand\TextOrMath{%
  \ifmmode  \expandafter\@secondoftwo
  \else     \expandafter\@firstoftwo  \fi}
\protected@edef\TextOrMath#1#2{\TextOrMath{#1}{#2}}
\else
\protected\expandafter\def\csname TextOrMath\space\endcsname{%
  \ifmmode  \expandafter\@secondoftwo
  \else     \expandafter\@firstoftwo  \fi}
\edef\TextOrMath#1#2{%
  \expandafter\noexpand\csname TextOrMath\space\endcsname
  {#1}{#2}}
\fi

@UlrikeFischer so no \relax

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle Yes I had seen this. But what does "oh lied" mean? (I mean the english)

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer it means I didn't tell the truth (although it is not that polite to call an accidental untruth a "lie" but no one is polite to me here:-)

@UlrikeFischer also of course my typing is rubbish,, I meant to type "Oh I lied" :-)

Ulrike Fischer

7:45 PM

@DavidCarlisle Aaah ;-)

Joseph Wright

8:13 PM

@DavidCarlisle It's all my fault?

@DavidCarlisle We could simplify that ;)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright It may have been me: if you had done it you wouldn't have added the guard for classic tex:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Sounds about right

egreg

@JosephWright As you are reading xcolor, you could try this file samplered.tex and compiling it with latex samplered && dvips samplered -o && ps2pdf samplered.ps

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{xcolor}

\definecolor[named]{ACMRed}{cmyk}{0,0.90,0.86,0}

\begin{document}

\textcolor{ACMRed}{XYZ}

\end{document}

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer (@JosephWright) my guess was right. look what svn blame says:

  1246     joseph \expandafter\ifx\csname protected\endcsname\relax

Joseph Wright

@egreg Oops

@egreg Remember I'm just picking up ideas [see Git/SVN ;)]

yo'

8:24 PM

@ChristianHupfer that word looks French, I almost here the froggy accent saying: "we ah-re hearre jyst tzoo annu-ah yu"

egreg

@JosephWright It seems ps2pdf (that is, Ghostscript) doesn't like how color specials related to CMYK are written to the .ps file by dvips.

Joseph Wright

@egreg Could well be

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{color}


\begin{document}

\textcolor[cmyk]{0,0.90,0.86,0}{XYZ}

\end{document}

@egreg ^^ is OK though

egreg

@JosephWright The ps file has

%%Page: 1 1
TeXDict begin 1 0 bop 0 TeXcolorgray Black 0 TeXcolorgray
XC@ACMRed 639 523 a Fa(XYZ)p 0 TeXcolorgray 0 TeXcolorgray
1926 5255 a(1)p 0 TeXcolorgray eop end
%%Trailer

Joseph Wright

@egreg Looks odd

@egreg Must be an xcolor issue somewhere I guess

Ulrike Fischer

@egreg @JosephWright I think the [named] type needs \usepackage[prologue]{xcolor} (but I never really understood what named exactly does).

Joseph Wright

8:38 PM

@UlrikeFischer Ah, yes: it creates an additional .pro file on-the-fly

David Carlisle

in the original version at least you couldn't really define the names as they were just put into the ps file as literals assumed to be defined.

Christian Hupfer

@yo' I know that it looks like a French word ;-)

egreg

@UlrikeFischer Interesting! I don't really know what's the idea of doing \definecolor[named]...

David Carlisle

Today USA, tomorrow Brazil and Italy?

bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41590142

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :)

David Carlisle

8:47 PM

@JosephWright they'd probably beat us:(

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Could well be

Ulrike Fischer

@egreg Actually the documentation explains it quite good (on page 18) and together with your example and @JosephWright's remark it now make sense. But I wonder if xcolor shouldn't catch the case that [named] is used without prologue.

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer Possibly should

egreg

9:29 PM

@UlrikeFischer Possibly xcolor should do it, but at least adding prologue is not that hard. See github.com/borisveytsman/acmart/issues/257

@JosephWright My impression is that feature requests for xcolor are out of the question.

Joseph Wright

@egreg Could well be

Paulo Cereda

11:09 PM

@DavidCarlisle I am very kind to you. 🇬🇧

@DavidCarlisle Win: another triumph for Great Britain. / Lose: England loses again!

@JosephWright we can blame Frank any time. :)

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