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CarLaTeX

3:36 AM

@egreg Congratulations!

egreg

6:15 AM

@CarLaTeX What are you doing at 5:30 am? :)

Joseph Wright

@egreg No sleeping ;)

CarLaTeX

@egreg I always wake up at that time, but (usually) afterwards I go back to sleep. I look at TeX.SE just to fall asleep :)

Joseph Wright

8:37 AM

@DavidCarlisle UK-TUG 'free pizza' plan looks good-to-go :)

Torbjørn T.

9:30 AM

@Shalvenay Can't comment on "better", but pgfplotstable and datatool are two other options.

Paulo Cereda

9:46 AM

@egreg PARTY!

@egreg: Congratulations!

@JosephWright ooh

egreg

Paulo Cereda

@egreg: Magica de Spell is in the new Duck Tales episode! Alas, no Sophia Loren... :(

Zarko

10:03 AM

Dear Urlike, let me contine our conversation in comments at your answer https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/394807/url-with-as-footnote/394813?noredirect=1#comment981693_394813. inspection of log file show me warning `Package l3regex Warning: This package is obsolete --- use 'expl3' instead on in
put line 42.`

David Carlisle

so use expl3 instead then:-)

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda Do you know that friends call me MaggiCa?

Paulo Cereda

@CarLaTeX ooh that's clever!

Zarko

but my package manager doesn't find expl3 :-( it show only l3ctr2e, l3build, l3 kernel, l3 packages and l3 experimental. all this packages, versions from 27. September 2017, i have installed.

CarLaTeX

@PauloCereda :)

Paulo Cereda

10:16 AM

@CarLaTeX Her Portuguese name is amusing: Maga Patalógika. :)

Actually, I'd write it with C instead of K, but that's the official spelling.

Ulrike Fischer

10:43 AM

@Zarko You or some package is loading l3regex. You should change this, but it wouldn't lead to an error about .value_required:. Better show a complete example and the complete log-file.

David Carlisle

@Zarko there is a difference between a latex package for \usepackage and a package of files as installed by a package manager. You already have expl3 (otherwise the packages you are using would not work) but if you want to make sure you have the latest, update l3kernel

Zarko

@UlrikeFischer, i the test code is: `\listfiles
\documentclass[12pt,twoside]{report}
\usepackage[version=4]{mhchem}
\usepackage{hyperref}

\begin{document}
\urldef\urlchem\url{https://chemicalize.com/#/calculation}

\footnote{\urlchem}
\end{document}`

but complete log file has 391 lines ...

This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.18 (MiKTeX 2.9.6400 64-bit) (preloaded format=pdflatex 2017.10.6) 6 OCT 2017 12:45
entering extended mode
**C:/Users/Zarko/Downloads/LaTeX-SE/showframe-color.tex
(C:/Users/Zarko/Downloads/LaTeX-SE/showframe-color.tex
LaTeX2e <2017-04-15>
Babel <3.14> and hyphenation patterns for 15 language(s) loaded.
("C:\Program Files\MiKTeX 2.9\tex\latex\base\report.cls"
Document Class: report 2014/09/29 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
("C:\Program Files\MiKTeX 2.9\tex\latex\base\size12.clo"

@DavidCarlisle, i regulary update my miktex instalation. i just tried, but update manager tolsd me, that i have recent version of miktex.

Ulrike Fischer

@Zarko You mhchem version is older than mine. You have Package: mhchem 2016/08/07 v4.05, I have 4.07. Run the user update manager.

@Zarko It doesn't matter that you are administator on your PC. mhchem is installed in your user install tree: (C:\Users\Zarko\AppData\Roaming\MiKTeX\2.9\tex\latex\mhchem\mhchem.sty. And this mean you must update it with the user version of the update manager.

Zarko

hm, possible is proble, that in the first place mchem was installed "on the fly". this installation is not visible in package manager ... so i delete this "on the fly" instalation", run "Refresh FNDB", "Update Formats" and then with package manager instaled all mchem packages and then run update manager which told me, that i have recent packages version ...

@UlrikeFischer, i just doing this ...

Zarko

11:08 AM

@UlrikeFischer, upgrade take a time ... and on the end was unsuccessful: error: Sorry, but "MiKTeX Configuration Utility" did not succeed.

@UlrikeFischer, however, no my test file works :-)

Ulrike Fischer

@Zarko Perhaps you had something miktex related open. Was there are message about a log-file in the error dialog?

Zarko

log file has more then 500 lies, ast 100 contain initexmf: warning: The link target C:\Users\Zarko\AppData\Roaming\MiKTeX\2.9\miktex/bin/x64

@UlrikeFischer, i had closed all miktex related windos (sumatra, wined, all packages instruction).

Ulrike Fischer

@Zarko The last lines are the interesting ones (there should be dates at the start).

Zarko

11:25 AM

@UlrikeFischer, last lines are:2017-10-06 13:06:55,481+0200 INFO FileCopyPage -
2017-10-06 13:06:55,485+0200 INFO FileCopyPage - Sorry, but "MiKTeX Configuration Utility" did not succeed.
2017-10-06 13:06:55,485+0200 INFO FileCopyPage -
2017-10-06 13:06:55,489+0200 INFO FileCopyPage - The log file hopefully contains the information to get MiKTeX going again:
2017-10-06 13:06:55,489+0200 INFO FileCopyPage -
2017-10-06 13:06:55,494+0200 INFO FileCopyPage - C:/Users/Zarko/AppData/Local/MiKTeX/2.9/miktex/log/initexmf.log

Ulrike Fischer

And what does ` C:/Users/Zarko/AppData/Local/MiKTeX/2.9/miktex/log/initexmf.log ` say?

Shalvenay

11:36 AM

@TorbjørnT. I looked at pgfplotstable and it suffers from the same infelicity as csvsimple re: CSV files from LaTeX-oblivious things, only perhaps a bit worse? datatool does have built-in facilities for this, at least...so maybe that should be my first port of call?

Zarko

@UlrikeFischer, i only see update.log

@UlrikeFischer, can we continue conversation on evening? now i had to do something what my wife order me :-)

Torbjørn T.

@Shalvenay It's not at all clear to me what your problems with csvsimple is in the first place, so I can't really answer.

Ulrike Fischer

@Zarko I quite agree that one should follow ones wife order ;-)

Shalvenay

@TorbjørnT. ah, my issue with csvsimple is either finding a package or a substitute for the csv-sorter utility, as my CSV files are spreadsheet exports, and my spreadsheet (LibreOffice) hasn't a clue about LaTeX

Torbjørn T.

@Shalvenay That didn't make it any clearer. A CSV file is a plain text file, it doesn't matter where it came from. Why does LibreOffice have to know anything about LaTeX?

Paulo Cereda

11:46 AM

ooh a lot of TeX talk today

egreg

@PauloCereda What about discussing Bolivia-Brazil 0:0?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg bah we are already classified. :) Let's talk about Argentina. :)

egreg

12:07 PM

@PauloCereda Brazil could lose with Chile, just to make things more difficult for Argentina. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg I was thinking the very same!

egreg

@PauloCereda When is the next round?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Tuesday, I think.

egreg

@PauloCereda We play Macedonia (tonight, home) and Albania (on Monday, abroad). We need wins to be safer in the draw for the playoffs.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ooh :D Fingers crossed!

egreg

12:13 PM

@PauloCereda Talking TeX, can you try the code at github.com/wspr/fontspec/issues/308#issuecomment-334734543 on a Linux box just to confirm the difference between Herbert's output and mine?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Sure thing!

egreg

Just copy the code in my message and run pdflatex, xelatex and lualatex on it in sequence.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg ^^ they all look the same to me

egreg

May you add to the page with the details of the system? The more information Will has, the better.

barbara beeton

12:28 PM

@PauloCereda -- they actually differ by one small feature: the pdftex version has just a bit more space between the baseline of "pdftex" and the top of the first line of delimiters, owing to the descender on the "p". (of course, that wasn't what @egreg was referring to ... the delimiters do appear to be identical.)

egreg

@barbarabeeton That depends on the descender in “pdftex”, I guess. But Herbert is getting strange characters.

Paulo Cereda

@barbarabeeton Oh my! Does English have a "clinical eye" expression?

barbara beeton

@egreg -- strange characters is a problem, the source of which is as yet undetermined. (the descender on the "p" is one of the reasons that \struts are useful.)

Paulo Cereda

1:54 PM

The president of the Brazilian Olympic Committee was arrested.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Oops

mickep

2:32 PM

@PauloCereda For not aligning the olympic rings correctly?

@samcarter You have an olympic duck, don't you? ;)

Paulo Cereda

@mickep ooh

@mickep ooh we need one

WE MUST HAVE AN OLYMPIC DUCK

mickep

@PauloCereda One for every sport, I assume? :D

Paulo Cereda

@mickep Exactly!

Like those posters they put on each sport

mickep

@PauloCereda Indeed!

Paulo Cereda

I am a world champion at pie eating

:)

samcarter

2:35 PM

@mickep In the light of the news @PauloCereda is sharing, wouldn't a prison duck be more appropriate?

mickep

@samcarter A corrupted duck?

samcarter

@mickep That's easy, just insert an error in the tex file and you'll get an corrupted file with a duck :)

mickep

@samcarter I will think of that everytime my compilation stops with an error from now on! :)

samcarter

@mickep You're welcome :D

samcarter

2:51 PM

@PauloCereda @mickep Should the Olympic duck play hockey or football?

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter no idea. :)

mickep

@samcarter options, options, options :) Why not Luge?

Paulo Cereda

@mickep ~~There's a Luigi duck OH WAIT IT'S LUGE~~ ooh

Ulrike Fischer

@samcarter what about a duck with a torch?

samcarter

@mickep Simple answer: there are currently only three sport ducks: cricket, hockey and football - and it seems cricket is taking a bit of a break from being Olympic

@UlrikeFischer That's a good idea! Let me revisit it over the weekend!

mickep

3:00 PM

@samcarter Perhaps something with Swordsmanship? Isn't that an olympic sport, and don't you already have Zorro?

@UlrikeFischer The simplest and best idea!

Alan Munn

@samcarter There really does need to be a fencing duck.

samcarter

@mickep Currently Zzzorro is only in the "showcase" section. I am not fully satisfied with the look of the épée and want to change it somehow before including it in the package.

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter @AlanMunn is our fencing expert, so let's ask him! :)

samcarter

@AlanMunn Dear fencing expert :) How to improve the épée?

In comparison to the rest of the items for the ducks, it looks too frail - but as I understood they are rather thin so I should not make them thicker, should I?

Paulo Cereda

We might need a señorita duck to be saved by Zzzorro. :)

@Johannes_B: Señor penguino, nosotros necessitamos ayuda.

Johannes_B

3:11 PM

@PauloCereda I am here, what's up?

Alan Munn

@samcarter Well real swords are much thicker than fencing swords, so since this is Zorro and not a fencer, making it a bit thicker probably wouldn't harm. The total length of a real épée (which actually matches well with real rapiers) is 110cm. The blade part itself is 90cm.

@samcarter How you scale that relative to an imaginary duck is your problem. :)

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda chefkoch.de/rezepte/3148041468704184/Pinguin-Muffins.html

Alan Munn

@samcarter Also, the blade of a real épée has a triangular cross-section, and is slightly thicker at the grip end relative to the point end. The guard is 13cm in diameter and slightly off centre (more guard on the outer side relative to the handedness of the user). Guards of real swords were often more elaborate, though.

mickep

3:27 PM

@UlrikeFischer Did you get the context file to work?

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B Señoritas!

@Johannes_B ooh

samcarter

@AlanMunn Thanks a lot for all the information! I'll try to come up with a new fencing duck.

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda I wish i would have a señorita.

Alan Munn

@samcarter For the fencing duck you definitely need a mask.

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B you have Shakira. :)

Johannes_B

3:35 PM

@PauloCereda Yes, that is correct :-)

Paulo Cereda

4

I like the concept of fencing

mickep

@PauloCereda lol!

Harald Hanche-Olsen

Quick question for Mac users out there: How do you preview PDF files? I have been using Skim for years, but lately, it has developed the annoying habit of losing its place when the file is updated. Sometimes it jumps many pages away from its current location every time I recompile the TeX file! I tried out Preview. It is worse: I have to click into it to make it update, and then it loses not only its place, but also its zoom factor.

I just had the idea of telling Skim to display single pages instead of an infinite scroll of pages. It seems to help. But I like the scroll! Am going to miss it.

Ulrike Fischer

3:54 PM

@mickep Yes, no problem. I only wished the underlaying code would be clearer. It would be useful to load such "goodies"-files in latex too.

Harald Hanche-Olsen

4:11 PM

@PauloCereda You'll ned a shrubbery to go with that fence.

Paulo Cereda

@HaraldHanche-Olsen NI

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@PauloCereda oh no!

Paulo Cereda

@HaraldHanche-Olsen :D

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda you can practice your Irish accent: (not sure if bbc let you watch that)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooooh

Alan Munn

7:16 PM

@HaraldHanche-Olsen You mean as a preview for LaTeX editing? I use TeXShop as my editor so I use it for preview too, but I suppose that won't help you. :) I still use Skim for everything else though. I haven't noticed any particular problems with Skim updating files I'm editing though.

Harald Hanche-Olsen

7:31 PM

@AlanMunn Yes, preview is what I refer to. I use emacs for editing, so you're right, TeXShop does not help. I am thinking maybe I should stop telling Skim to watch the file, and either use the revert command manually, or using a script (as they suggest on their web site) to trigger a revert (as they call it) after a rebuild.

Harald Hanche-Olsen

8:22 PM

↑↑↑ Apparently, this is now available in Norwegian grocery stores.

And, while everybody think this product will not survive, everybody (!?) is buying one.

yo'

@HaraldHanche-Olsen me wants!

Harald Hanche-Olsen

But it has italian writing on the box! It must be good!

@yo' Come to Norway while supplies last.

yo'

@HaraldHanche-Olsen easier said than done. But actually, Dr Oetker is probably not worth it (for the brand, not for the flavour)

Harald Hanche-Olsen

Never tried anything from Dr. Oetker, so I can't possibly comment. We tend to start from basic ingredients in my household.

David Carlisle

@HaraldHanche-Olsen ham, pineapple, ...

Harald Hanche-Olsen

8:30 PM

@DavidCarlisle spam, spam, spam, spam, spam …

@DavidCarlisle … eggs and spam – without the eggs

David Carlisle

@HaraldHanche-Olsen @PauloCereda will supply the video shortly

Harald Hanche-Olsen

@DavidCarlisle I don't doubt it for a second.

David Carlisle

@HaraldHanche-Olsen cooks.com/recipe/mg1q16n5/spam-pizza.html

yo'

@DavidCarlisle 425 degrees is above the burning point of the dough I suppose :-)

Torbjørn T.

@yo' Probably not in Fahrenheit ...

yo'

8:40 PM

@TorbjørnT. in what? :-)

Torbjørn T.

@yo' Some weird unit used by weird people.

David Carlisle

@yo' I din't know, it was just something @CarLaTeX recommended.

Harald Hanche-Olsen

8:55 PM

@TorbjørnT. Supposedly, paper burns at 451 of those weird units …

Fahrenheit 451

Fahrenheit 451 is a dystopian novel by American writer Ray Bradbury, published in 1953. It is regarded as one of his best works. The novel presents a future American society where books are outlawed and "firemen" burn any that are found. The book's tagline explains the title: "Fahrenheit 451 – the temperature at which book paper catches fire, and burns..." The novel has been the subject of interpretations focusing on the historical role of book burning in suppressing dissenting ideas. In a 1956 radio interview, Bradbury stated that he wrote Fahrenheit 451 because of his concerns at the time (during...

Christian Hupfer

9:26 PM

Battery state: Fully loaded ... ;-)

CarLaTeX

@DavidCarlisle Only wood oven for an authentic pizza!

egreg

9:44 PM

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Ohimè lasso! poetic Italian for “oh, me unhappy!”

Shalvenay

10:15 PM

@TorbjørnT. -- because csvsimple and pgfplotstable expect a non-standard CSV file format that most notably uses {} instead of "" for quoting text that may contain delimiters

yo'

10:45 PM

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Good to know that @DavidCarlisle 's pizza is harmless to the books!

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