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12:08 AM

@barbarabeeton The comment doesn't really matter. It was really the question and answers I wondered if you might look at. (That is, I have no idea how to find my comment, but I've managed to find my answer ;).)

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A: Ugly alignment (size of square root symbol) with Latin Modern at 12pt

This modifies the font configuration for Latin Modern in a way which I think is analogous to the modifications amsmath.sty makes for Computer Modern. It is not exactly analogous because Computer Modern provides additional sizes of the maths extension font, whereas Latin Modern provides only 10pt....

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Q: Ugly alignment (size of square root symbol) with Latin Modern at 12pt

Consider the code \documentclass[12pt]{article} \usepackage{amsmath} \usepackage{lmodern} \begin{document} \[ \sqrt{\frac{m}{n}} \] \end{document} The output is a different square root symbol than with merely Computer Modern, where it fits well. What's the problem w...

spacing symbols amsmath latin-modern

@barbarabeeton I tried to figure out what amsmath.sty does in the case of CM 12pt and reproduce it for LM. But I'm not at all sure about it. (But I'm pretty sure that the OP's recommendation to use ae is not entirely wise.)

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@PauloCereda @JosephWright ^^

@DavidCarlisle Oh my!

@cfr: 'ello!

@PauloCereda Evacuation of 800 households in Camden?

@PauloCereda now I just need to work out how to see the result

@cfr OH MY

12:12 AM

Oh, you meant TeX <3 @PauloCereda

@cfr <3

@DavidCarlisle travis-ci.org/latex3/latex3

:)

@cfr -- yes, i did see that. and haven't had a chance to really dig into it, but what i remember from past experience is the following: ams publishes some book series that have a 12pt default text size. the 10pt extension font wasn't satisfactory, which is why cmex was recreated in other sizes. (note also the need for the smaller sizes for use in footnotes.) i'm afraid this may be the best answer i can give, but i'll try to dig further tomorrow.

@PauloCereda no tex here this is running java xslt on an xml file and making html, which I think I now want to git push to another (gh-pages) repo

@DavidCarlisle oooh

@PauloCereda but happy to get the thing to run at al (first actual attempt at travis after a chat with Joseph above)

12:15 AM

@DavidCarlisle Joseph is into this testing thingy, I wonder who on good intentions suggested that.

@PauloCereda I got tricked into another gihub organisation thing to make some scripts I wrote last century work so I don't want the testing aspect so much (my scripts are bug free) just an automatic build which means a log saying it built successfully isn't quite the right outcome, i actually want the result:-)

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle: zz returns (so it says my GH feed)

@PauloCereda there is a zz.html that says hello world (I hope) I think I need to do docs.travis-ci.com/user/deployment/pages

@DavidCarlisle Oh you want to generate a page as well! Interesting!

@PauloCereda that's all I want to do I want anyone on the organisation who can push an edit to the xml source have the generated html appear in a gh-pages site somewhere else

12:26 AM

@DavidCarlisle oh apologies! I will investigate that too!

@PauloCereda then if I get html working I have a similar transform that makes something called tex which apparently you can make pdf from.

@DavidCarlisle witchcraft

12:40 AM

@DavidCarlisle gist.github.com/domenic/ec8b0fc8ab45f39403dd

@PauloCereda yes thanks working through the help thing looks similar but good to hhave an example, I just got myself an authorisation token thing but I may stop for the day now.

@DavidCarlisle It's already late here, so I do believe it's even late for you.

@DavidCarlisle get some rest.

@PauloCereda see if you can finish your thesis before I get this push authorisation sorted out

@DavidCarlisle ;)

good night....

12:46 AM

@DavidCarlisle Good night, David!

@barbarabeeton Thanks. LM only seems to have the 10pt for the extension font ....

@cfr -- yes. too bad. there are similar problems, we've found, with the stix font. sigh.

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6:53 AM

@DavidCarlisle I'm pretty sure dvipdfmx can support /Decode

@DavidCarlisle I guess we have to decide if we like the key name ...

7:10 AM

Hi ^^

Can you help me? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/376504/…

8:06 AM

@PauloCereda I was thinking that the travis/gh tutorial I was following was a bit simpler than the example you turned up but then in the notes in "your" example I got as far as:

NOTE: an earlier version of this guide recommended generating a GitHub personal access token and encrypting that. Although this is simpler, it is not a good idea in general, since it means any of your repository's collaborators would be able to edit the Travis build script to email them your access token, thus giving them access to all your repositories. The repository-specific deploy key approach is safer.

@PauloCereda hmm since I'm targetting an "organisation" repo, perhaps the more complicated version might be better:-)

8:34 AM

@DavidCarlisle See graphics-def checkin

@JosephWright oh Ok, playing with travis ci:-)

@DavidCarlisle Hmm, does /Decode apply to PDF images?

@DavidCarlisle Seems to work here with XeTeX as well as pdfTeX :)

@DavidCarlisle Answering my own question, 'no', or at least pdftex.def from 2016 doesn't seem to change PDFs

@JosephWright no only bitmaps, as far as I understand what it does but:

It works davidcarlisle.github.io/tr-out/zz.html (@PauloCereda)

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle Something not quite right with dvipdfmx: getting a warning about an invalid attribute dictionary

@JosephWright OK but I'm only here for a bit this morning then I'm out of the loop until late tonight. on travis, currently I'm installing everything every time but do I understand the cache stuff means that they'l preserve the stated directories (so i don't have to wget the jar files I need each time)

8:48 AM

@DavidCarlisle That's right: see how I arrange to set up TeX Live

@DavidCarlisle I take it the stuff you want isn't packaged for Ubuntu 'out of the box'?

@JosephWright not as far as I can see, or at least I couldn't see how to get apt-get to tell me if it's in a package already, but it's only two files but don't really want to keep pinging the remote server to get them every time I find a comma missing in the text:-)

@DavidCarlisle In that case, yes, just cache the appropriate dir in your .travis.yml

How did I end up knowing this kind of thing?

@JosephWright you read some instructions? I was reading the travis instructions for pushing to gh-pages and that's what I've got working but the example Paulo found last night that I quote above suggests this way would be a bad idea (unless I generate a new fake gh-user separate from my normal gh account as anyone with write access to the repo could get my gh personal token) however I'm pleased to have it basically working.

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9:57 AM

@DavidCarlisle, @PauloCereda Ooh, learning a new Git feature:

git filter-branch --prune-empty --subdirectory-filter l3build/ --msg-filter 'sed "s/l3build\: //"'  master

@DavidCarlisle If you want to know whether a particular file (or file matching some pattern) is in an apt repository (or repositories) you could use apt-file.

10:20 AM

@JosephWright ooh what does it do?

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@DavidCarlisle the master plan worked! Now, about that TeX thingy you mentioned that converts plain text files into PDF...

@JosephWright: have you ever watched the YouTube channel The game theorists? Recently, the host talked about the Dark Souls lore in two episodes, aiming at revealing who is the identity of the player.

3 hours later…

1:03 PM

Today I got a table overlapping a figure (both float). The bounding box of the figure is the correct size as far as I can tell, but the one of the table isn't correct. Why can this happen?

@barbarabeeton @DavidCarlisle @egreg @JosephWright @yo' I didn't even knew that one: en.wikibooks.org/w/…

@Johannes_B -- nor did i. actually, the first paragraph isn't bad, but the second ("on references") refers to writing a novel as a wikibook, which is totally unrelated! oh, dear!

@barbarabeeton I didn't check any of the chapters yet. But the word novel confused me as well. I think it was just miswording.

@barbarabeeton @DavidCarlisle One thing i just noticed now: The originl author is given as leslie, the web site is latex-project.org. I think this is misleading at least.

Ah, this is about the LaTeX software. Not the wikibook. Sorry for the noise.

@Johannes_B still misleading to put that information there :)

Got me a Nintendo Switch!

Actually, I think this was a terrible mistake, given I have a thesis to write.

1:18 PM

@PauloCereda you can send it to me (I too have a thesis to write, but I think I can handle the distraction)

@Skillmon Nope. <3

:D

@PauloCereda was worth a try

@Skillmon Surely was. :) I'd try the same thing. :)

Ducks are very dispersive birds, sometimes it's hard to maintain focus at... ooh a biscuit!

@PauloCereda And I'm not easy to distract! Wow, a blue car!

@Skillmon <-- this bloke knows things. :)

ooh the German bloke is here too

@ChristianHupfer: hallo!

1:21 PM

@PauloCereda I'm German, too

@Skillmon ooh hallo for you too then <3

Ich bin ein Ente

Ducks are very good at German

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda I prefer 'Black Forest Bloke' ;-)

@ChristianHupfer ooh that too <3

Which reminds me of Black Forest cookies. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda ... eh.... no ;-)

@ChristianHupfer oi

1:22 PM

@ChristianHupfer and I prefer Waldecker, but we can't be too picky about that :)

Christian Hupfer

@Skillmon .... that's near Kassel, isn't it?

@PauloCereda <3

@ChristianHupfer it is indeed :)

@ChristianHupfer I didn't expect you to know that...

@PauloCereda sudo apt-get install texlive-latex-base works....

Christian Hupfer

@Skillmon I've some friends living in Nordhessen, they mentioned Waldeck near Kassel once, but I think the name "Waldeck" is not unique, however

@DavidCarlisle ooh

1:28 PM

@ChristianHupfer No it's not, there is one near the Czech border I think. But the one in Nordhessen is historical the most important one

Christian Hupfer

@Skillmon Really, is it? ;-)

@PauloCereda travis is a lot quicker to fire a new job at midnight on Friday than 2 on Saturday:-)

@ChristianHupfer It was a principality up until the Weimarer Republik

@DavidCarlisle :)

@ChristianHupfer just go to wikipedia and search for Waldeck :)

Christian Hupfer

1:31 PM

@Skillmon Ah, Waldeck - Pyrmont? I think my late grandfather collected some coins from that era

@ChristianHupfer correct

Waldorf

@PauloCereda no. Not Waldorf :)

@Skillmon ooh that's a bait/cue for @ChristianHupfer. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda Fatty Owls? ;-)

1:34 PM

@ChristianHupfer more salad :)

Christian Hupfer

@Skillmon Don't argue with ducks ... you will always win :D @PauloCereda :-P

@ChristianHupfer :)

@ChristianHupfer you are mean

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda A gin and orange :-P

@PauloCereda Yes, I feel good with it

@Skillmon I am going to recommend that prticular wikibook for deletion.

1:35 PM

A penguin ^^

@JosephWright @PauloCereda davidcarlisle.github.io/tr-out/zz.pdf

@Johannes_B haven't read it, so I have no opinion on that

@DavidCarlisle Bravo! So the rumours are true!

@PauloCereda Word has an online version that makes pdf

@DavidCarlisle I'm sorry for that :)

1:36 PM

@DavidCarlisle boo

@PauloCereda I didn't say I used it, just that it exists

@DavidCarlisle ah. :)

@Skillmon Not worth reading.

@PauloCereda the docs did mention about their gh-pages deploy rule using a -force option to git push, but that apparently means that if you push two files to the repo it deletes everything else, so I lost the index file, so the entire gh-pages site went offline.

@Johannes_B good to know. I don't think I need a quick introduction anyway. I should read the TeXBook or something of that sort (I don't know enough about TeX's secrets it appears), but I don't even have time for that right now :)

1:40 PM

@DavidCarlisle ouch

Hotel? Trivago.

@Skillmon If you find some time with nothing to do, you can have a look at the LaTeX wikibook (the one everybody finds) and apply some improvements. :-)

Christian Hupfer

@Skillmon: Just read that Waldeck - Pyrmont provided 1200 soldiers for the Britons in the US independency war from 1776 -- 1783

@Johannes_B I only add minor improvements to that if I stumble upon errors, but that doesn't happen that often :) What should be improved?

@PauloCereda I think my plan now is to go with these simpler built-in rules using the gh auth key and avoid that leaking access to all my repos by using a custom "travis" user that I'll invite to the organisation and that account can have the encrypted key

@Skillmon Almost every single bit ;-)

1:44 PM

@DavidCarlisle That sounds like a good plan. :) Besides, having access to all repos might cause a potential push on a different place.

@ChristianHupfer you do read the Wikipedia article, don't you? :)

@Johannes_B well in that case, I think one with more experience than me should rewrite it :) In the end I do recommend some stuff there which leads to maihem and the destruction of the world!

Christian Hupfer

@Skillmon I've read some portions of it

@Skillmon You can already find such stuff there :-)

@Skillmon en.wikibooks.org/wiki/… I made a note on my phone to remind me on August 14 to make an official RFD.

@Johannes_B I thought you were talking about en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX (when you said I should redo that)

@Johannes_B you did mean the one you were about to delete?

@Skillmon Yes, make improvements to the big one. The other one will hopefully soon be deleted.

1:53 PM

@Johannes_B I never did anything to the other one (what a miracle given the fact I hadn't known it until you posted that link) :)

2:31 PM

did anybody here (by chance) ever draw a penis with tikz out of fun?

@Skillmon Honestly? No, i never did this. :-)

Stefan Kottwitz

@Skillmon I see such drawings a lot at construction areas (shipyards), usually drawn on protection material in ships during building. I bet they cannot use TikZ for this. Still I wonder, why the workers like p's so much. I did not dare to ask. :-D

@Skillmon But, you know, it's easier to draw a penis using TikZ than do draw TikZ using a penis.

2:47 PM

@StefanKottwitz The user currently asking to change the color of hyperref links... That template has a FAQ with currently just one question: How do i change the colors of links.

On the other hand, the user might not even be aware tht those are links?

Stefan Kottwitz

@Johannes_B I guess so!

The FAQ may be edited to clarify it.

@StefanKottwitz The user asks about hyperlinks. The FAQ mentions colors of links. I think this should be clear enough.

Stefan Kottwitz

@Johannes_B Yes, he knows they are links, I read. So he did not see it in the FAQ.

@StefanKottwitz By the way, there is also github.com/johannesbottcher/MDT-Quick-Manual

Stefan Kottwitz

@Johannes_B Any idea to make it more visible?

Update latex.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=26166 ? Perhaps it's outdated anyway.

2:53 PM

@StefanKottwitz Make a PR to the ltemplates-Repo to include all that? :-)

@StefanKottwitz Overleaf directly links to my repo.

Stefan Kottwitz

@Johannes_B You could set direct links to latex.org and the sub forum (I saw latex-community.org without link in your repo)

@StefanKottwitz Good idea.

Stefan Kottwitz

@Johannes_B By the way, my coworkers like LaTeX now: they see just \input{header.tex} and all the body is clearly readable markdown for headings and bulleted lists and such :-) thanks to the markdown package. That does it for documentation (plus short commands for including screenshots)

@StefanKottwitz That's cool.

@StefanKottwitz Editing right now, including links :-)

Stefan Kottwitz

@Johannes_B great!

3:13 PM

@StefanKottwitz I just clicked on the List of forum Topics nd was directed to the search, not a list. I am not sure if this is the normal behaviour or if that changed with the forum update.

Stefan Kottwitz

@Johannes_B Yes, after the major update the tagging was renewed and the links now are like latex.org/forum/tag/arsclassica-article and I need to change it there, thanks

@StefanKottwitz Great, thank you.

3:49 PM

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Q: What kind of package

Help me please! What is this package LaTeX?

sectioning formatting book-design

I wonder if the OP thinks Russian is a feature. :)

4:00 PM

@StefanKottwitz Why \include instead of \input?

Christian Hupfer

4:21 PM

@PauloCereda You mean feature as in @DavidCarlisle's packages? ;-)

@StefanKottwitz I just saw the community ad for LC. The link reads latex-community.org. Just asking if this should be updated for the shorter version.

@PauloCereda Got closed far too quickly.

@ChristianHupfer :)

@Johannes_B oh

Stefan Kottwitz

4:37 PM

@UlrikeFischer it is, corrected, thanks

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5:45 PM

@PauloCereda Takes the L3 repo and strips it down to just l3build, removing the l3build: marker I have in commit messages

@JosephWright Ah interesting! In other news, I just cloned the latex3 repo today. :)

@PauloCereda :)

@PauloCereda I'll let you know what happens with l3build: discussions ongoing

@JosephWright Thanks! Should we keep compatibility with old Lua interpreters or our goal is follow the latest texlua?

@PauloCereda Slightly complicated as we have to think not only Lua but also LuaTeX, where the log format has changed a lot

@JosephWright Oh I see.

As much portable as possible, got it.

5:50 PM

@PauloCereda As things like Travis-CI don't offer a LuaTeX that actually works at all for us (TL'09), I'm currently really only worrying about TL'16 and TL'17, though once Travis-CI fully updates the image they use I might reconsider

@PauloCereda Current code should work with LuaTeX v0.70 onward, I think

@JosephWright roger that.

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7:06 PM

@PauloCereda Split is going to happen: just need to sort some pull requests out first

@DavidCarlisle I think I have got /Decode right ...: shall I add the top-level support to graphics?

Christian Hupfer

7:17 PM

@PauloCereda: Is you thesis cat - safe? ;-)

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@PauloCereda: Of course I meant Is your thesis... ;-) Stupid typo...

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11:14 PM

@PauloCereda I just wrote a texindy rule for arara. Can you see if I've done it right? tex.stackexchange.com/q/376649/2693

11:24 PM

with the listings package, how do you set it up so that when breaking a comment line (and only a comment line), it inserts a comment token after the inserted line break? Python is very tolerant of line-wrapping, save for comments (as it has sane continuation rules for code, but only has line comments)

11:46 PM

@Shalvenay I don't think there's a way to do it (nor with minted). Both systems only define a single continuation character, with no contextual dependence.

@AlanMunn I take it you can't have that continuation character itself be the output of a macro?

@Shalvenay Good question. Possibly. But whether that could be leveraged to help you I'm not sure.

@AlanMunn may have to break down and ask it on mainsite then

@Shalvenay It seems like a clever thing to be able to do, since in principle you can tell when a comment line is being processed and then have a boolean in the continuation macro. But I don't know listings well enough to be able to give you an answer.

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