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12:15 AM
Isn't this answer plagiarism from Werner's answer to the same question?
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A: Replace (change) "Chapter 1" to "Chapter ONE"

economiaThis works for your question without draw back \documentclass{report} \usepackage{amssymb,amsfonts,amsmath,changepage,mathtools,amsthm} \usepackage{xpatch}% http://ctan.org/pkg/etoolbox \usepackage{fmtcount}% http://ctan.org/pkg/fmtcount \renewcommand{\thechapter}{\NUMBERstring{...

 
12:45 AM
An example of a single backslash disappearing from code: tex.stackexchange.com/posts/2272/revisions -- I think @barbarabeeton mentioned at least one such example earlier too.
 
@ChristianHupfer Well it's something that should have been a comment I think, but the person doesn't have the rep to make comments. I guess we could flag it as such, but telling them they should have posted it as a comment is obviously not really fair. And I've had similar things happen with my answers too, from people much more exalted...
 
1:04 AM
@barbarabeeton thanks; your work has been very valuable too of course! The slow and accurate way, and with many many edits
@DavidCarlisle I'm just home from a three hour late flight; just leave me at least one to edit tomorrow, so that I can reach 1200
 
1:39 AM
@DavidCarlisle -- the counts i was referring to were the ones shown in chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/38186600#38186600 -- they add up to only about 3200, less than half of 7000. since only the items were counted when the counter was editing someone else's q or a, this doesn't include fixing one's own, but i still find the discrepancy surprising.
@Moriambar -- would you like us to de-edit one for you to fix? (i hope your visit to the national gallery met your expectations, and made the bother of the flight worthwhile.)
 
 
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6:50 AM
@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle Do you know package combelow? Missing diacritic. Any chance of considering it to get into the kernel?
 
7:27 AM
Just ran @DavidCarlisle's query for \\: down to 144 rows
 
Is there something like xeCJK or luatexja but for Hebrew? I.e., to allow people to mix Hebrew in otherwise Latin text?
 
8:00 AM
@Moriambar they were last weeks's numbers
@barbarabeeton sorry I saw that later, they were last week's numbers
User Link,Count,UserId
"Community","31912","-1"
"David Carlisle","3129","1090"
"Moriambar","2631","89949"
"barbara beeton","1098","579"
"Troy","401","117534"
"CarLaTeX","371","101651"
@ShreevatsaR's query on today's dump ^^ @Moriambar @barbarabeeton
:38198202it should just work as long as you switch language to set up direction and hyphenation using babel or polyglossia or whatever, I'm sure ther are examples on site
@JosephWright if you filter out post 2014 you get data.stackexchange.com/tex/query/685412/bug-no-filter 62 rows (@Moriambar)
 
@D github.com/latex3/latex3/issues/371 if you have a chance to look at it
 
8:20 AM
@JosephWright ok will try to look later
 
@DavidCarlisle I've sent the latest graphics-def to CTAN
@DavidCarlisle Notably, no complaints thus-far about the stuff we removed (HOs more esoteric extensions)
 
@JosephWright yes if anything shows up can always add a package in ho-tex github to add them back (if we can work out what they do:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh, if people want print alternatives or whatever I'll re-add to graphics and the drivers, and into the L3 version, or perhaps try to get an L3 version finished
 
8:54 AM
@Moriambar @barbarabeeton I think we are done!
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@DavidCarlisle OK, so we need to have a session to check up on recent questions that might have got 'lost'?
 
@JosephWright possibly, although I still don't see any use case where front page order is relevant, so I'm not convinced that it would have had an effect, however having an answer-the-unanswered session restricted to 2017 posts, and trying to answer them rather than close them couldn't hurt.
 
@DavidCarlisle I guess it depends on your 'normal' view: I only use the front page
 
@JosephWright the only time I've ever looked at that is to see whether Moriambar or Barbara were on an editing spree:-)
 
yo'
9:40 AM
@DavidCarlisle lol
 
9:52 AM
@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle Can you look at this?
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{color}
\pagecolor{yellow}
\begin{document}
Hello
\end{document}
No background color is shown with TL 2017
 
@egreg @JosephWright @DavidCarlisle Joseph uploaded a fix to CTAN, I read it on the tex-live mailing list
 
@StefanKottwitz OK.
 
@egreg it's Ok, it's not my fault
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
10:31 AM
@Moriambar ooh ducks <3
@egreg wow!
 
@egreg As detailed on TL list, it's because we moved from Heiko's form of \newif to the standard one: his has a \global hidden inside the \<thing>(true|false), which I'd missed. As noted, this is now fixed and sent to CTAN.
 
Debian 9!
 
@PauloCereda Windows 10!
I win
 
@DavidCarlisle Fedora 25. :)
You could try Windows 98. :)
 
@PauloCereda well played sir!
@PauloCereda I'd rather not
 
10:44 AM
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@DavidCarlisle NT 6.1, you mean?
 
@JosephWright ooh you are mean
 
@JosephWright I had Windows 2000 on my desk for a while.
 
@DavidCarlisle oh
 
@DavidCarlisle We had NT 4 at home for several years (after Win 3)
 
10:53 AM
@JosephWright same thing, more or less:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle True
 
@barbarabeeton it's ok, the national gallery museum would make me proud to be a british man
@DavidCarlisle those numbers aren't correct, you have to take into account the "null" username posts too. but that's the order of magnitude
 
@Moriambar worth the trip there and back then?
 
@DavidCarlisle I don't believe it :O. I'm back to useless again :/
@PauloCereda I have more
 
@Moriambar the version I posted doesn't have any tests against user name of the original poster so null user name ones should appear I think?
 
11:05 AM
@DavidCarlisle possibly. I'm a bit tired, I trust it to be correct
 
@Moriambar :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle yes, but I could've planned it better
 
@Moriambar like going the day before and coming back the day after?
 
@DavidCarlisle no, the one day thing is perfect. I should've thought about parades and whatnots, about the 2 caravaggios that are away until october. Also the museum is so rich that one should plan around 5-10 visits there with audioguide and study each and every painting in detail. I'm more used to exhibits
 
@Moriambar oh of course it was trooping the colour yesterday
 
11:10 AM
@DavidCarlisle I don't know what that means, except a 1:05 walki instead of a 20 minutes one
anyway @DavidCarlisle about the 144 that appear here? data.stackexchange.com/tex/query/683271/…
@PauloCereda ^^^
 
@Moriambar ooh I must go to London
 
@PauloCereda :)
 
@Moriambar queen's official birthday and major parade of the army on horseback through London, happens every year
 
@DavidCarlisle well that's the main reason I missed the Michelangelo exhibit. Being caused by my ignorance, I can only accept it and learn
 
@Moriambar all the ones prior to 2014 I fixed this morning (data.stackexchange.com/tex/query/685412/bug-no-filter) and the ones after that are bug free by definition (some of them need to keep the bug as they are asking questions due to confusion about earlier corrupt answers)
 
11:14 AM
@DavidCarlisle ok perfect. So we really are done
 
@Moriambar that is the plan, yes.
 
@karlkoeller I am not allowed, sorry
 
@karlkoeller Mod-approved and merged
 
@TorbjørnT. I wasn't forcing you to delete the answer. I was just ranting in general.
 
11:24 AM
@Johannes_B I know, but you found a very nearly identical question anyway.
 
@JosephWright Thank you!
 
@TorbjørnT. First hit google gave me. Took me twenty seconds.
 
Speaking of synonyms, should be a synonym of ?
 
@TorbjørnT. I think is much more general
 
@karlkoeller How?
 
11:28 AM
Also take a look at these:
@TorbjørnT. Not really sure about this one. I would like to know what @JosephWright thinks.
 
user image
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Nerd alert ;-) Unfortunately the joke works in German only ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer ooh I see Ente
 
@PauloCereda Yes ... and it sounds like n-te meaning nth, so it says nth root ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer ooh I like it!
 
@ChristianHupfer :-D
@TorbjørnT. I added a walrus example to my github repo. @PauloCereda Do you spot a special name? github.com/johannesbottcher/titlepageExamples/blob/master/…
 
11:49 AM
@Johannes_B ooooooooh
@CarLaTeX ^^ Check @Johannes' repo. :)
 
@PauloCereda meow <3
 
@Johannes_B woof <3
 
@PauloCereda ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer LOL
 
yo'
@ChristianHupfer :)
 
12:04 PM
@PauloCereda What the duck happened here? ^^
 
@Johannes_B ooh where is this plot?
 
@PauloCereda Traffic page of the github templateConfusion repo.
 
@Johannes_B oh my
 
12:27 PM
@PauloCereda @Johannes_B Supervisor Prof. van Duck <3 <3 <3 LOL
 
12:45 PM
Someone's been practicing, you better get ready! Welcome to Rio de Janeiro! #TUG2018 https://t.co/ivuQJDKaiu
 
yo'
@PauloCereda I hope I'll be there. My only concern is that I need an accepted talk or poster on ICM...
 
@yo' YAAAAAAAY
 
yo'
@PauloCereda btw, TUG is not listed here? icm2018.org/portal/en/satellite-conferences
 
@yo' I will take a look and report back. :)
 
yo'
ah well, the dates are really bad, actually :( This means I'll still have to discuss here.
Anyway, it's gonna be an expensive trip, because I'll be only allowed to cover the tickets and then accomodation for the ICM itself :-/
 
12:51 PM
@yo' Ouch. Tom, soon the bursary details will be available, I will poke you about it, maybe it's worth a shot!
 
@PauloCereda I'm also working on that aspect here in the UK (will raise at our physical meeting in the Autumn)
 
@JosephWright the last two \\ bug are locked, could you edit them to change \ to \\ (or unlock them, they have been merged with anther post)
https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/60405/cannot-draw-commutative-diagram

https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/85234/first-line-of-section-subsection-has-no-indentation
 
@JosephWright Awesome. Poke me as well if you need any assistance.
@DavidCarlisle: will NAG ship you here?
 
@PauloCereda Oh, it's not me that the issue
 
@JosephWright oh
user image
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This image is cool. :)
 
12:54 PM
@PauloCereda unlikely (or rather very unlikely I could charge it to work, but perhaps funding could be found elsewhere...)
 
@DavidCarlisle Check now
 
@DavidCarlisle You are in my VIP list too. :)
 
@PauloCereda what no cricket?
 
@DavidCarlisle We don't even have a field!
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm sure
@DavidCarlisle You can help me at the UK-TUG meeting ;)
 
12:56 PM
@JosephWright I was imagining a more reliable source:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle ouch
 
@DavidCarlisle Sounds sensible
 
@PauloCereda cricket is what flat beaches are for
 
@DavidCarlisle I think beaches are used for other matters. :)
 
@PauloCereda Where is the thong?
 
12:59 PM
@DavidCarlisle Sure the ball will bounce that good in soft sand?
 
@JosephWright Fabio Di Casola playing K622
 
@StefanKottwitz I will redraw that to make more... friendly. :)
@StefanKottwitz: I believe you will come, right? :)
 
@DavidCarlisle oh my
@DavidCarlisle: if you come for TUG 2018, I will arrange a cricket match in the beach.
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@PauloCereda I can't play cricket:-)
 
1:02 PM
@PauloCereda I plan to come! I already told my boss.
 
@DavidCarlisle so you will be able to explain that thing to us!
@StefanKottwitz Yay! Great to hear!
 
@egreg Cool
@DavidCarlisle Don't worry, I bowl 'right arm badly' ;)
 
@JosephWright you are in one team already. :)
 
1:16 PM
@PauloCereda Who's out is thrown in the sea.
 
@egreg ooh
 
@PauloCereda CCC: Copacabana Cricket Club
 
@egreg ooh I like this one
@egreg Actually, that one would be Ipanema. :)
Sadly, it lacks the girl from it. :)
 
Argh, Wikimedia maintenance
 
1:46 PM
@PauloCereda Gorgeous! Wow!
 
@CarLaTeX The thong one was better. :D
 
@PauloCereda LOL
 
2:39 PM
@PauloCereda -- here's one for you: youtube.com/watch?v=Cr6luwrY2dw
 
@barbarabeeton Thank you! Downloading right now!
 
2:53 PM
^ Anyone know how to latex this
 
@DavidCarlisle, @JosephWright -- you've got mail.
@Zophikel -- looks like it was produced by amsart (left-hand equation number, theorem heading in small caps). pretty straightforward, really, once the source of those settings is identified. but if you need the whole thing coded, that's really too long for chat, but answerable on the main site.
 
@barbarabeeton yeah sure i'll have to post a picture on the main site thanks you a math major by any chance
 
@Zophikel -- not a current math major (was once, applied), but i work for ams supporting the publishing area which is mainly latex-based.
 
@barbarabeeton that's nice
@barbarabeeton what tag should my question go under
i'm new to Tex Stackexchange
 
@Zophikel Welcome!
 
3:07 PM
Hi @Paulo Cereda I'm a wannabe math major I have bad grades in HS not sure my chances for collage
 
@Zophikel Don't post only the picture. This will count as a "do it for me"-question and probably get closed.
 
@Zophikel -- what's the main topic? theorems? you should be as specific as possible -- do say this has been identified as probably created with amsart, and perhaps say where you saw it. (it may be greeted as a "do it for me" question, which isn't really appreciated here. so if you can give reasons why you're asking, and if you can actually code a bit of it yourself, that would be positive.)
 
@Zophikel: mind if I give you an advice? If possible, try to add as much detail to your question, and also some starter code. People usually don't look with good eyes at questions that only ask on how to reproduce things without having something to start it. :)
 
@barbarabeeton all right i'll have add some starter code
 
@Zophikel I am a poor starving duck in theoretical computer science!
 
3:11 PM
@PauloCereda it's horrible well maybe cause I only know a little bit of latex
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Q: Confusisions on how to Express this Theorem

ZophikelI'm having trouble latexing the following theorem, it seems and looks this was produced by asmart, i'm a beginner when it comes to latex and i'm having trouble expressing this. My initial attempt was as follows: $$\sigma_{n}(x) = \sigma_{n}f = s_{o} + \cdot \cdot \cdot s_{n-1}(x) / N - \frac{...

 
@Zophikel Here's an improved version
\documentclass{amsbook}

\numberwithin{equation}{section}
\renewcommand{\thesection}{\thechapter.\arabic{section}}

\newtheorem{theorem}[equation]{Theorem}

\begin{document}

\mainmatter
\setcounter{chapter}{2}

\chapter{Test}

\setcounter{section}{1}

\section{Test}

\setcounter{equation}{2}

\begin{theorem}
Let $f$ be $2\pi$-periodic and integrable over a period. Then, for all $k$,
\begin{equation}
\begin{split}
\sigma_{k}(x)
&= \sigma_{k}[f](x)=\frac{s_{0}(x)+\dots+s_{k-1}(x)}{k} \\
&= \frac{1}{2}a_{0}+\sum_{n=1}^{k-1} \Bigl(1-\frac{n}{k}\Bigr)(a_{n}\cos nx+b_{n}\sin nx) \\
The \setcounter instructions are just in order to get the same numbering as in the picture.
 
@egreg you are a good man
 
@Zophikel The trailing \forall k is wrong from several points of view.
 
@PauloCereda I've seen some strange statements posted to this site but that must be one of the strangest!
 
@DavidCarlisle you are a good man too
 
3:15 PM
 
@PauloCereda conversely that one seems very reasonable.
 
@egreg what's the code behind it ?
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
Oh nvm
 
@Zophikel The one @egreg just posted. :)
 
3:16 PM
sorry IE frooze
 
@Zophikel Beg your pardon... did you say... IE?
 
yes
 
@Zophikel Strange! Windoze never freezes. ;-)
 
@egreg how do you get that to render in mathb.in
 
@Zophikel MathJaX is not TeX, so we won't be able to help you here, it's way beyond our scope.
 
3:21 PM
@Zophikel mathjax does not use tex at all, it just emulates the tex math syntax in javacript, but your question was not just about the math but had headings such as Theorem, which mathjax does not do at all.
 
oh ok
 
@JosephWright thanks for the edits you missed one though: ^q\ A in tex.stackexchange.com/questions/60405/… which is last remaining \<four spaces> in postings prior to 2014:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Done
 
@JosephWright end of an era :(
 
God it looks ugly
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Q: Proving $\sin(x) + \sin(2(x)) + \sin(3(x)+ \cdot \cdot \cdot +\sin(n(x)) = \frac{cos(1/2) - cos(n-1/2)}{2 \sin(1/2)2}$ via Ceasro Summation?

ZophikelI'm having trouble proving the following conjecture in $(1.)$, via Fourier methods, my intial attack can be seen in $(2)$ $(1.)$ $$\sin(x) + \sin(2(x)) + \sin(3(x)+ \cdot \cdot \cdot +\sin(n(x)) = \frac{cos(1/2) - cos(n-1/2)}{2 \sin(1/2)2}$$   $(2)$ On the RHS, side of our conjecture of $(1.)...

 
3:40 PM
@egreg In Brazil the CCC was something not quite so pleasant.
 
3:55 PM
@AlanMunn It turns out it is already in use
@PauloCereda ^^^^^^
 
@egreg I am reading as we speak. :)
 
4:10 PM
@egreg It also used to be far-right paramilitary group: Comando de Caça aos Comunistas.
 
@AlanMunn Let's hope those things are confined in history.
 
@egreg Yes, indeed.
 
4:53 PM
@DavidCarlisle, @barbarabeeton I've sent a message to the Powers: I will report back as approrpiate
 
@JosephWright I won't hold my breath waiting
 
@DavidCarlisle: I've seen the link to my answer already, that's how I recognized it is an answer of mine ;-) But thanks
 
@ChristianHupfer ah i thought you were complaining about unattributed code, I don't see how a long time user can find it so impossible to provide a usable example
 
@DavidCarlisle I hope you mean the O.P. and not me ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer yes:-)
 
5:03 PM
@DavidCarlisle Phew!
@DavidCarlisle: Oh my, I have checked the O.P's profile -- he/she's a member for almost six years. That's really poor ...
 
@ChristianHupfer yes hadn't checked how long exactly but had >1k rep so clearly hadn't joined today.
 
yo'
5:39 PM
@egreg As long as it's not CCCP
 
6:12 PM
@DavidCarlisle Unbelievable: I was watching TV, zapping from channel to channel, and I came across "Ghost Whisper" episode 11: two characters were discussing pineapple pizza as we always do! (I don't know the name of the characters because I've never watched that TV series)
 
@CarLaTeX dear lord. I've seen it on the menu yesterday as "hawaiian pizza"
 
@Moriambar It is famous all over the world, except for Italy :)
 
@CarLaTeX yes and I'm glad for that.
 
@Moriambar me too (that there isn't in Italy, not that it's famous all over the world) :):):)
 
@CarLaTeX I couldn't care less actually of its fame around the world :P but having once tried something similar at a giropizza and finding it really as disgusting as hell, I'm glad it's not here
 
6:19 PM
@Moriambar :):):)
 
@CarLaTeX I've not seen the series but no surprise that they discuss culinary highlights
@Moriambar you should have ordered one
 
@DavidCarlisle ...and what a coincidence I just got that discussion of a TV series I've never watched!
 
@DavidCarlisle the bbq chicken I had was so horrible (the barbecue sauce was way too sweet, and the chicken tasteless) that I don't think it could be much worse. Well of course it would've been worse (I tasted it remember?) but not by much
 
@Moriambar perhaps it needed a bit of pineapple to add more taste
 
@DavidCarlisle it couldn't taste any sweeter than it was that horrible sauce. But hey, I needed something to eat and I did. At least the fries were ok
 
6:46 PM
@Moriambar Thinking you can go to Britain for BBQ is like thinking you can go to Italy for beer.
@Moriambar You should have ordered the chicken tikka.
 
@AlanMunn I did not go to the UK to have BBQ, it just happened to be something edible for me
@AlanMunn I did not search for food (I'm not a food explorer) and would positively have gone mac donalds if I were to found one in Gatwick :) There was no chicken tikka anyway
 
7:00 PM
most of the questions tagged "boxes" don't fit the tag description: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/boxes?sort=active -- tag description uses "boxes" in the "boxes-and-glue" sense, most of the questions are about visible frames around stuff (showing something as being in a box).
 
@Moriambar I know, I'm just having a little fun. And chicken tikka masala often comes up as most popular food in Britain.
@ShreevatsaR This is what happens when the experts make the tags but the non-experts use them. :)
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@AlanMunn oh ok, I don't know what it is. Also, I'm still pretty tired to get jokes :D
 
 
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9:26 PM
Hi, I get hundreds of lines
.................................................
. LaTeX info: "xparse/define-command"
.
. Defining command \mL with sig. '' on line 13.
.................................................

in my log file. Is siunitx always so verbose?
 
@JonasStein Have you perchance set free-standing-units?
 
@JonasStein if you think that's bad try unicode-math :-)
 
@JosephWright do you mean \si{\angstrom} with free-standing-units? or as is it a variable?
 
@JonasStein Assuming you have and you don't want the messages
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[log-declarations=false]{xparse}
\usepackage{siunitx}
\sisetup{free-standing-units}
\begin{document}



\end{document}
@JonasStein That's not free-standing: \angstrom isn't defined as a document command
 
no, I did not set \sisetup{free-standing-units}
ahhhh
 
9:33 PM
@JonasStein No, but you set the v1 option repeatunits, which forces compatibility, and that includes free-standing-units
*************************************************
* siunitx warning: "version-1-option"
*
* Version 1 option 'repeatunits' detected.
*************************************************
 
thank you
I will review my code, if I really need the repeatunits
 
@DavidCarlisle Or a KOMA class with old font commands:
\documentclass[enabledeprecatedfontcommands]{scrbook}
\begin{document}
\rm \rm \bf \bf \bf blabla
\end{document}
 
@UlrikeFischer Certainly very 'definite'
@DavidCarlisle We could talk to Frank again ...
 
oh on page 70 of the siunitx manual I see, repeatunits is an old command and I should switch to multi-part-units anyway. Is that the right interpretation of the table?
 
@JonasStein Yup, more or less
 
9:39 PM
@JosephWright \usepackage[please-shut-up-ill-turn-on-tracing-if-i-need-to-debug]{xparse}
 
@JonasStein Notice that the old repeatunits option maps to three newer ones as there are several related concepts
@DavidCarlisle Just needs me to switch the default for log-declarations
 
@JosephWright yes please:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle FMi feels people should be keeping log files routinely, I think
 
@JosephWright I call it noisy. It drives you over the wall. The first thing I normally do is to copy the definitions from article -- even if I don't use them, I don't want to fill up log-files because of some dumb package.
 
@UlrikeFischer :)
 
9:40 PM
@JosephWright I know.
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
@UlrikeFischer 'up the wall' ;)
 
@JosephWright I do not even remember, why I added repeat-units=false years ago. Will have to read now the manual on these commands now... Thank you so much for your hint.
 
@JonasStein No problem: oddly enough, I'm pretty good at siunitx questions ;)
 
@JosephWright up the wall is not enough ;-)
 
@JosephWright I have no clue why this could be... ;-)
 
9:42 PM
@UlrikeFischer In that case, 'round the bend' or 'Harpic' (clean round the bend)
 
@JosephWright but yes, that is so true.
 
@JonasStein to me it seems quite shocking that a package author can remember how it works and answer questions about it.
 
@DavidCarlisle and even more 24/7 and free of charge
There are a few names here on tex.sx which are a synonym of excellent tex support. I guess this improved the popularity of latex significantly in the last decade.
 
@JonasStein that bit I understand quite well:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm at the advantage that I actually use LaTeX myself
 
9:50 PM
@JosephWright cheating
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle LOL
@JonasStein @DavidCarlisle @JosephWright This conversation goes to my tex-meme bookmarks folder :)
 
What do you think would push the development of *tex in the next 5 years most? Do we need more lobby work? More coders? More money for Dante/Tug? Many journals go away from latex, even accept .doc files. More and more students avoid real *tex. (my personal experience from different german universities in the subjects chemistry and physics)
 
yo'
@JonasStein good "LyX"
 
@JonasStein Money not an issue currently, though membership of TUG, etc., could be. LuaTeX is now stable, which may affect the landscape.
 
yo'
@JosephWright good point about luatex
 
10:00 PM
@yo' Been discussed on the team list ...
 
I use LuaLaTeX. My first experience is that it is hard to find out what is new and how to migrate.
texstudio supports LuaLaTeX in principle, but not all commands.
I have many old pdflatex documents and some new LuaLaTeX documents. And it is not very comfortable to switch the configuration in the current release.
 
@JonasStein Most happens on commercial sites, such as StackExchange and Overleaf, there is some drive. Bloggers rarely write any more, Usenet is mainly spam.
 
@JonasStein What does that mean? You can choose the compiler on a per document basis. See tex.stackexchange.com/q/78101/2693. (Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the issue.)
 
The Mailinglist of the LaTeX group in Cologne is very quiet too :(
@AlanMunn ah I can use several of these lines... perhaps that solves my problem! Thank you.
@AlanMunn Then I will only need a solution for the inline preview function. I must include my preable in the preview to get my formulas right.
 
@JonasStein Inline preview? (Sorry I don't use TeXStudio).
 
10:14 PM
@AlanMunn the editor renders a formula on demand and shows it in the source code. Similar to auctex in emacs. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Texstudio_Screenshot.png
 
@JonasStein doesn't that always require the editor to use the document preamble (eg to load amsmath) why is luatex different?
 
@JonasStein Ah, ok. I've never seen much of a need for that in my own work, but I don't do much math. (I use TeXShop).
 
@JonasStein Lobby work? I tried that (taking latex.org and then connecting LaTeX community forums (in 3 languages) and developers but that failed, developers don't want that)
 
@StefanKottwitz that is sad. I tried to connect students at university and provided templates for them. None used it. All used their broken, 1990 style copy and paste tex template. I know a few math teacher who use LaTeX for their worksheets. Tried to exchange ideas but there was no interest. Everyone wanted to do his/her old business and not learn new things or exchange with others.
But I will not give up ;-)
 
@JonasStein Templates that hide all LaTeX syntax (header and definitions in external file) and allowing simple syntax in the main document (markdown package) may help. Easy writing and very readable code.
@JonasStein I got enough motivation to plan until Rio 2018 :-)
 
10:46 PM
@StefanKottwitz a very successful TeX advertising event was a workshop I organized for master and PhD students at University. We had a few talks one from a TeXstudio dev. one by a Dante representative and one by a student. Perhaps we need such an event every two years.
 
yo'
@JonasStein my alma mater organizes LaTeX courses
 
@yo' do they teach modern latex, or 90's style?
 
@JonasStein Besides local things, large scale online lobbying could be a way today. What we see, is a LaTeX3 research project publishing a newsletter about every 2 years, and DANTE and TUG with a great behind-the-curtain-service but no outreaching publicity beyond internal mailing list and such.
 
@StefanKottwitz you mean something like an article in Linux Magazines about latest Tex news in regular time distance?
I think linux-magazin.de for example would be happy about a LaTeX3 article once a year. And will even pay a bit for it.
They distribute in germany and have many readers.
Perhaps one can get a short Highlight into the c't once a year too.
 
11:05 PM
@JonasStein I mean showing off every few days what TeX and LaTeX can do. If you read planet.dante.de as example, it's a pretty quiet world except some font fan. DANTE can tweet (TUG doesn't I guess) but did not even mention that TL 2017 was released.
@JonasStein In the metro and buses I see all people strictly watching their phones seeing everything (news, feeds, ...) but TeX related things never really made it to there.
 
That is sad. I do not use twitter, so I did not see that.
 
@JonasStein In a standard IT newspaper we may get responses from the haters of the next generation who know all better. Without a lobby, one easily is a troll victim.
 
Something different: There are very cool code checkers for python (pep8). Can't we substitute the search patterns for LaTeX and create a better tabu tool?
 
@JonasStein I have to go, good night!
 
gn8
 
yo'
11:19 PM
@JonasStein what do you mean?
 
@yo' do you know the pep8 and autopep tools?
You can run these on your source and they respond: W301 Missing whitespace behind =
For LaTex it could respond W001 hyperref should be before foobar
 
yo'
@JonasStein c'mon, this is not what you need when writing personal documents, source code validation/normalization is for corporate, not personal use, and not for LaTeX
 
I have to lookup often the order of several packages.
 
yo'
@JonasStein yeah, so you have a list of these
Anyway, TeX core is turing complete, these things don't really work.
 
This and other things can be validated by a simple script
 
yo'
11:25 PM
@JonasStein bullshit
(sorry)
one package update and your package order is completely screwed
LaTeX2e is built over TeX in such a way that you can't control this really. There's nothing like "modules" or module control
 
you know the simple tabu stuff. It works in principle too. And a pep8 like tool would work fine for most documents. Not for very complicate things perhaps, but would help to clean the most common mistakes and FAQ on tex.sx
The tool could also try to find missing brackets. And with some intelligent hints, it will be better than manual searching.
 
11:54 PM
@JonasStein I am with Tom, sorry, but unfortunately this is like chasing a chimera. There is simply no way of determining what constitutes a well behaved TeX document because the nature of the language is way beyond simple parsing and code heuristics/inference.
 
have to go. cu.
 
@JonasStein See ya, good night! :) Poke me later, I can provide some ongoing efforts towards a somewhat behaved expansion (my thesis talks about it at some point).
 

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