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5:52 AM
@egreg I think as its asking 'How to redefine \ohm so it always ends in a space'
 
 
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8:48 AM
@AlanMunn Also Frank Mittelbach did it once. :)
 
9:36 AM
Pokémon Go released in Brazil, yay!
My thesis is doomed. :)
 
@PauloCereda so, no change then.
 
@DavidCarlisle /sobs
 
@PauloCereda Yesterday I saw a kid on a moped who was looking at his smartphone while driving on a heavy traffic road.
 
@egreg Oh my! He was looking for teh Pokémon. :)
 
9:51 AM
@PauloCereda I think so. :(
 
@egreg clearly he should have been riding something faster than a moped, to catch more of them.
 
@DavidCarlisle Well, you may be aware of the fact that it's very common here to manipulate mopeds so they ride “a tad faster” than allowed.
This reminds me of a Lausanne newspaper I saw on a Swiss train; there were two pages devoted to the case of a kid caught riding at 120 km/h on a small scooter. The funny thing was an interview to an Italian mechanic explaining why this is very dangerous, besides being illegal, and that the kid was Swiss!
 
10:06 AM
@DavidCarlisle I wonder what would be everybody's Pokémon. :)
 
 
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1:52 PM
Downloading Pokémon Go.
 
@PauloCereda Careful with that.
Make sure you don't have any pressing commitments in the following weeks.
@PauloCereda Also, I hate to break this to you: eurogamer.net/articles/…
↑ only if you live in Asia
These ones ↑ are relatively common, though.
 
2:08 PM
@EmilioPisanty ooh
I know this duck has terrible migraines. :)
 
@PauloCereda I never found psyduck to be particularly appealing to be honest
Farfetch'd was my go-to bird for a long time, though
I'm pretty bummed it'll be hard to get ahold of one
 
@EmilioPisanty such as for example finishing a thesis? (@PauloCereda)
 
@DavidCarlisle Precisely.
 
@PauloCereda
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@UlrikeFischer oooooooooooh
Pokémon Go uninstalled. Didn't like the gameplay. :)
 
2:21 PM
@PauloCereda nevermind, you can watch the Olympics instead
 
@DavidCarlisle oh no
 
If I may slightly change the ambiance, I was wondering how you would write enumeration of math expressions:
1. The variables $x,y,z$ are...
2. The variables $x$, $y$, $z$ are...
Or any other way.
 
@anderstood one of those:-) In a sentence I'd do the second usually, there was a question on site the other day asking same thing, I think @egreg answered it he may be able to find...
 
@UlrikeFischer: My new duck is from Munich. :)
 
2:38 PM
@DavidCarlisle I did not find the answer you mention but @UlrikeFischer provided an another one; thank you both!
 
@anderstood egreg answered there too (I wanted to sent a link to the whole question but messed it up by clicking too fast)
 
@UlrikeFischer I've seen egreg's answer(from 2015) but David was mentionning a more recent one. It does not matter. It's just that it can be tedious if there a lot of elements to list ($a$, $b$, $c$, ...), but that's not really my case anyway :)
 
2:55 PM
@anderstood perhaps it was this I was thinking of although it was a different green square that answered,not egreg:-)
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A: How to write range of values for a variable in Latex?

Au101Never say never, but I can't think of an instance where you should ever have mathematical operators outside of math mode, including =, when you're writing an equation, or otherwise typesetting maths. This seems to be a common mistake that people make. Put the entire formula, equation, expression...

 
@DavidCarlisle Green squares will soon rule the world.
 
@egreg given current global politics, stranger things could be true.
 
@DavidCarlisle I ignore if thanking messages are the rule in chat rooms; now that I already polluted the thread, thanks. I did not feel good at leaving without answering.
 
@anderstood we don't have many rules in this chatroom other than it is obligatory to ask @PauloCereda if he has finished his thesis at least once a week.
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Hey guys
Does anyone know how to TeX these arrows?
 
3:10 PM
@PauloCereda Hi Paulo, how's everything doing with your thesis? Shouldn't it be finished by now?
 
@anderstood Uh-oh. :)
 
@0celo7 Not easy, but doable. Better asking on the site, it's a good question.
 
3:27 PM
@0celo7 as egreg says, better on a real question but a rough start might be
 
whoa, what's that
 
\[
\prod_0^n
\mathrel{\begin{smallmatrix}\delta_0\\\rightarrow\\\delta_1\\\rightarrow\end{smallmatrix}}
\prod_0^n
\]
 
oh, a matrix
Pretty sure TeX.SE would be horrified with how I TeX
 
3:42 PM
@0celo7 Do you use emacs?
 
Don't know what that is
 
@0celo7 You've stumbled into an ongoing (joke) editor war.
 
@0celo7 ooh then you are safe. :)
@DavidCarlisle ^^^^
 
@DavidCarlisle smallmatrix, huh. Who knew.
 
Small matrices or matrixen? :D
ooh matrix
 
3:46 PM
@PauloCereda it's a glitch in the matrix
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@EmilioPisanty amsmath
 
@PauloCereda I do.... :D
 
@PauloCereda is your thesis done yet?
 
@0celo7 oh no
 
3:52 PM
Why not?
 
/quacks in despair
 
4:27 PM
@0celo7 Here's a better version
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{amsmath}

\makeatletter
\newcommand{\arrows}[1]{\mathrel{\ocelo@arrows{#1}}}

\newcommand{\ocelo@arrows}[1]{%
\offinterlineskip\let\\\cr
\vcenter{\halign{$\m@th\xrightarrow{##}$\cr#1\crcr}}%
}
\makeatother

\begin{document}

\[
\Omega^*(M)
\xrightarrow{r}
\prod \Omega^*(U_{\alpha_0})
\arrows{\delta_0 \\ \delta_1}
\prod_{\alpha_0<\alpha_1} \Omega^*(U_{\alpha_0\alpha_1})
\arrows{\delta_0 \\ \delta_1 \\ \delta_2}
\prod_{\alpha_0<\alpha_1<\alpha_2} \Omega^*(U_{\alpha_0\alpha_1\alpha_2})
 
Hmm
The arrows seem to be of different lengths
 
@0celo7 So long as the labels have the same width, they don't. The first is shorter, because r is not as wide as \delta_0
 
@StefanKottwitz back online. checking posts and maybe answering tomorrow.
 
5:13 PM
@DavidCarlisle Windows 10 now has Ubuntu embedded inside it (still beta, I think). Much better than Cygwin apparently.
 
Do you guys know why a bullet list (itemize), has the bullets going into the left margin while the text from the list aligns with the regular text?
It's annoying as hell and even using leftmargin=* is not working.
 
@Alenanno MWE?
 
@AlanMunn I'd have to prepare it. It's not my document (a CV from someone).
But I can say that: the document has global \parindent=0
 
@Alenanno That shouldn't cause the behaviour you describe.
 
\usepackage{enumitem}

\setlist[enumerate,1]{
  leftmargin=0pt,
  align=right,
  itemsep=0pt,
  font=\upshape,
}
\setlist[itemize,1]{
  leftmargin=0pt,
  align=right,
  itemsep=0pt,
}
@Alenanno ^^^^^
 
5:21 PM
I think I found the problem: \obeylines at the top of the document. I didn't think it affected lists that much.
@egreg Even using commands like that didn't change anything.
 
@Alenanno I thought you wanted that kind of lists.
 
@egreg Ah no, I was trying to avoid it. :D If I use \obeylines, lists are ignored (as in, their margin is).
 
@Alenanno \obeylines is a very dangerous command
 
@egreg Indeed it is.
I know this is a basic question, but what would you use to create a new line? \newline? \par? If it's a single line, I mean, not a real full paragraph.
I'd usually leave an empty line, but in this case I have single lines shorter than the text width.
 
@Alenanno A lot depends on what it is, really. There are different ways to achieve this.
 
5:31 PM
@Johannes_B I'm sitting in Rotterdam. Fixed something on a cruise ship, return tomorrow.
 
@StefanKottwitz Could you sync texdoc.net please? It's a bit outdated, e.g. TikZ is only 3.0.0 whereas current is 3.0.1a.
 
@HenriMenke Sure. Btw. does .1a bring something new?
 
@StefanKottwitz I don't know, but the page count went from 1165 down to 1161, so surely something changed.
 
@egreg -- gosh, you beat me again by just a few seconds, as i was about to post a suggestion to use dcases. i guess i'll never even get to 60,000 unless i quit my job ...
 
@StefanKottwitz Do you also sync /texmf-dist/doc/context? If you don't could you please do in the future?
 
6:04 PM
About LaTeX3, can I use it? How do I use it? Or am I misunderstanding and it is automatically used by current TexLive?
 
@wilx There is no such thing as LaTeX3.
@wilx There are candidate macros which will most certainly make their way into LaTeX3. These are known as expl3.
 
@wilx LaTeX3 is usable and part of TeX Live. It's not a new engine, (binary) but a programming layer. There are quite a few packages that are part of TeX Live that are written in it, most notably, fontspec and siunitx. You can find documentation for it by using texdoc expl3.
@wilx @HenriMenke is being technically correct, but for practical purposes, programming using expl3 is using LaTeX3.
 
OK. So unless I am developing macros I do not need to concern myself with it because \subsection et al will still be there?
 
@wilx Yes, that's a safe bet.
 
6:25 PM
@AlanMunn yes I've seen that
 
@StefanKottwitz Jag das Schiff nicht umher. Sonst fällt es vielleicht auseinander ;-)
 
6:41 PM
Englisch bitte
Sonst wirst du auseinander fallen
 
@0celo7 We're pretty tolerant of occasional incursions of other languages, especially ones we know. :) And @DavidCarlisle is fluent in all languages and sometimes does simultaneous translations for us when needed.
 
@AlanMunn Sie haben Glück, dass ich hier bin und kann mit diesen Dingen helfen
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh?
How about French
 
@DavidCarlisle Grazie.
 
@0celo7 J'ai une source infaillible de traduction pour toutes les langues.
 
6:51 PM
I hate math books that pretend their readership can understand random quotes from French mathematicians
 
@0celo7 Quand on a Google, on a tout.
 
@ChristianHupfer -- taking my comments out of the main line. i agree that what you're trying to do is pedagogical, and that's good. the only problem i see is that newbies especially, not knowing any better, often take what looks simple entirely at face value, complete with misinterpretation, and essentially cut and paste. that's what i'd like to avoid -- and avoid later questions about why the spacing isn't good.
 
"Il faut d'abord examiner la question de la definition des varietes."
 
@0celo7 "We must first consider the question of the definition of varieties."
 
Should be manifolds, not varieties.
I'm not sure what that means
Or why it's quoted
 
Yep
The second one is ok
The third one is a brilliant quote
The first one...meh
Not really significant
Does something get lost in translation?
 
@0celo7 or time, without going to actually look at the 1892 dissertation I wouldn't know if what is called varietes there is in fact the subject of the chapter, i assume so given the quote
 
Yes, varietes is the French word for manifold.
How about the third quote on chapter 4?
same guy
 
@0celo7 so I don't understand your comment above saying "Should be manifolds, not varieties." but doesn't matter really:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle in your translation, it should be manifolds, not varieties
 
7:03 PM
@0celo7 oh, you meant my translation was wrong. Impossible, I have an infallible source (google translate:-)
 
...
 
7:19 PM
Quack! :)
 
@0celo7 We also speak fluent Duck.
 
@AlanMunn Por supuesto. :)
 
what a weird place
 
@barbarabeeton Sorry!
 
Already saw a girl walking like a zombie, trying to catch Pokémon.
Too bad the game wasn't translated to Portuguese yet, so a lot of Brazilians are literally lost.
 
7:26 PM
@0celo7 We can be much weirder, if we want. :)
 
@egreg We should use the comfy chair. :)
 
7:39 PM
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Q: Particular type of hook arrow

Paulo NeyWould anyone know a particular arrow in TeX that match this one, that denotes an automorphism of K? The symbols was widely used by mathematicians in the beginning o 20th century and is still used in certain circles.

@barbarabeeton To get forgiven, I'm offering you a symbol that I didn't find in the Unicode list ^^^^^^
 
@egreg -- i was just about to comment on that when i saw your comment. (i took time to check the unicode charts and my stix table first. too slow ...) thanks for the comment though -- your explanation is most compelling.
 
@barbarabeeton If you're in contact with Bigelow and Holmes:
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Q: Check whether an opentype math font is loaded

bgenetoHow can I check (using a conditional, preferably) whether an opentype math font is currently loaded (in use)? For example, using the following commands: \usepackage{unicode-math} \setmathfont{LucidaBrightMathOT} I would like to check (afterwards) if that specific font was really loaded and is...

 
@egreg -- i'll check with chuck, but first, i'll check with karl to see if this is a known problem. (chuck can say whether there are glitches in the application of diacritics, but he's not a tex user, so "how to check whether an opentype math font is loaded" isn't something he can answer.)
 
7:55 PM
@barbarabeeton Yes, I meant making them aware of the bad accent positioning; \jmath gets also other accents wrong.
 
@egreg -- message conveyed. will report when i get information.
 
 
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10:59 PM
This certainly wins best comment of the week. Thanks @cfr :)
"Documentation for packages often tells you useful stuff like how to stop it from blowing up your computer or how to get the software to do exactly what you want. "
 
cfr
11:36 PM
@AlanMunn :-) Strictly speaking, it could be disqualified on the grounds that it is not in a comment. It's just ... I've never used the package before. Its manual is 3 pages long. And page 2 gives you the command to copy-paste. I mean ... If the answer was somewhere in the TikZ manual, it'd be different. But 3 pages?!
@wilx Until something breaks ;).
 

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