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3:43 AM
Hi all.
 
3:54 AM
Can I use ../../Folder1/Folder2 kind of format in my LaTeX preamble?
"graphicspath" to be exact
 
4:16 AM
By the way, I think TeX.SX will like this: xkcd.com/1676
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6:32 AM
@PauloCereda Delightful duck? Emsige Ente?
 
@Canageek \usepackage{snakefill}?
 
6:59 AM
Why I am not surprised.
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Q: Is it simple to create nonbreaking arbitrary length snakes for full-width justification?

JoelFollowing on from the recent xkcd comic: Would the snake be easy to do in LaTeX? To make the question more specific, how could I get LaTeX to automatically add a long underscore and then an 's' to each line that does not reach the end of the column? (I'm assuming with that knowledge I'd be ...

 
@ChristianHupfer German spam, always amusing tex.stackexchange.com/a/307752/37907
 
7:29 AM
@TorbjørnT. \sleaders\hfill (s for “snake”)
 
@ChristianHupfer Have you made any progress with the automatic exam creation?
 
@Johannes_B Lovely Spam @PauloCereda
@Johannes_B Please give a precise definition of 'any progress' ...
 
@ChristianHupfer You had an idea of doing stuff like that many moons ago. I wondered if there is any news.
 
@Johannes_B No, I have opened other projects and answer to many questions and fight to many comment combats (below the posts) with strange users here ;-)
 
7:44 AM
@ChristianHupfer Freaking templates
 
@Johannes_B No, freaks that use templates ;-) And non-feedbackers, non-upvoters,non-acceptors ...
 
classicthesis for a CV. I once used a hammer to get a screw between the bathroom tiles. It worked. Is a hammer the best tool for it? Nooooo.
@ChristianHupfer I don't know how many of my answers have no upvotes at all. But once in a while, i get an upvote for the Smilies in LaTeX answer.
 
@Johannes_B Did the tiles survive your attack? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Right between them. That screw is probably still in the wall. I don't know, i moved out.
 
@Johannes_B It's not (only) about my answers. It's a general decline in behaviour of 'I want my thesis done, do it for me', getting an answer and never appear again
@Johannes_B @Johannes_B: If it is still there, they will remove the rest of the buildung, only the screw and parts of the wall will remain, as a memorial ;-)
 
7:50 AM
@ChristianHupfer Like in minecraft, where you can place blocks right into nowhere?
@ChristianHupfer It has always been that way i think, you just perceive it differently.
 
@Johannes_B What's minecraft? No, I said, the rest of the wall
 
@ChristianHupfer That third part of the LaTeX introduction (still 40 people there) icluded a bit about biblioraphies. There was some dude that after the thing talked about strange things and out of nowhere addressed his question to me. Do i have to give the full path to cite?
Then he said something (not to me) like this You get some template from some russian journal and then Deal with it!
 
@Johannes_B Smert Spionem? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Google returns some strange results. Who/what is Smert Spionem?
The girl that annoying guy left with, was one of the most beautiful woman i have ever seen though. But she was using Word while attending a LaTeX introduction. o.O
 
@Johannes_B James Bond: Der Hauch des Todes (don't know the original title at the moment -- 1987 movie)
@Johannes_B Such girls are not worth to dream of then :-P
 
7:58 AM
@ChristianHupfer I have seen two James Bond movies. the one with that pretty american girl and the one with that russian girl.
 
@Johannes_B: From Russia with love?
 
@ChristianHupfer dunno, it was 2007 or 2008.
 
@Johannes_B I've got an assignment for you: Watch Star Wars, Monty Python,Lord of the Rings, James Bond, Star Trek,then we will continue our conversations here;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer I have seen Lord of the rings, nice landscape. The story is a bit silly.
@ChristianHupfer Monthy Python, i have seen a bit of it. But not all.
 
@Johannes_B Quantum of Solace.
 
8:02 AM
@ChristianHupfer Star Wars and Star Trek are different things? ;-)
 
@TorbjørnT. Strawberry Fields ;-)
 
@TorbjørnT. Yeah, i think that was it. Thanks.
 
@Johannes_B Yes, there are quite few Klingons in Star Wars ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Right now on the radio: Blümchen -- Herz an Herz
Bum Bum Bum Bum Bum Bum Bum Bum
@ChristianHupfer I never met any Klingons so far. Are they from Africa?
 
8:15 AM
What do you guys actually do for a living? I mean, you are always here.
 
@MaestroGlanz I am not always online. As a teacher it's difficult to be online all the time.
 
@ChristianHupfer Teacher for?
 
@MaestroGlanz Physics, Mathematics and Bioinformatics (Oberstufe)
 
@Johannes_B You should read the book.
 
@MaestroGlanz Apparently the others are employed by the Secret Service -- they are quite silent about their real profession ;-)
 
8:29 AM
@UlrikeFischer I started once, but ... somehow i did not finish it. I have all three of those small black paperback volumes though.
 
@Johannes_B You should not read the German translation of LoTR,in my opinion
 
@ChristianHupfer It was in english. The books probably still are in english. :-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Whats wrong with the GErman translation?
 
@MaestroGlanz The names ;-) Bilbo Beutlin -- this is ridiculous,or Streicher
 
@ChristianHupfer I like them. I dont know the english names though.
 
9:11 AM
@MaestroGlanz Some are doing PhDs, like myself and @PauloCereda. So of course, all we do is procrastinate.
 
yo'
9:37 AM
@Canageek Needless to say, the "snakes" justification is actually used in professional typography, but not for latin-like scripts, it's used for text written in Arabic alphabet.
 
Hi all...
 
10:08 AM
@MaestroGlanz And I am a duck. :)
 
@PauloCereda What the quack do you mean.
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@ChristianHupfer or lying about being in academia? ... :)
 
@MaestroGlanz My profile says it all: wacky Brazilian bloke, TeX evangelist, duck enthusiast, Pringles-powered theoretical computer science researcher. :)
@Christian: May the 4th be with you! /ba dum tss
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Ducks are very good at jokes!
 
 
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11:43 AM
@PauloCereda Oh yes, of course.... Imperial March for everyone!!!
 
@ChristianHupfer yes, Yes, YES!!!!!!!1ONE
 
12:20 PM
@PauloCereda I'll remember that May, 4 is Yoda's birthday.
 
@egreg :)
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@egreg YAY!
@Suzana_K: Hi, welcome to the chat!
 
1:12 PM
 
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@TRiG Hi Timothy! It has been posted here before ;-)
 
@TRiG vvv
lualatex ^^^ :-)
 
1:31 PM
@DavidCarlisle SNAKE, IT'S A SNAKE, OOOOOH IT'S A SNAKE
badger badger badger badger...
 
1:51 PM
@yo' A search for "xkcd" sorted by "newest" did not turn it up in the first three pages.
Is this the only chat with a semi-transparent bottom? It gets weird when you scroll up.
 
@TorbjørnT. I may have missed it, it not being oneboxed.
 
@TRiG No, I mean strange that it doesn't show up in search (it doesn't, I checked).
 
@TRiG No, if you search for "xkcd.com" or "xkcd.com/1676" it shows up. So the search algorithm apparently doesn't find substrings like that.
 
1:58 PM
@phell As far as I'm aware, none of the Gaelic languages contain w or y, both of which are common in Welsh (and, I think, other Brythonic languages).
@TorbjørnT. I'll have to remember to include the .com in future.
 
@PauloCereda I updated my answer:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh :)
@DavidCarlisle added comment. :)
@David: for a more patriotic vibe:
 
 
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3:17 PM
@TRiG could be a result of different transcription into Latin
@TRiG I dunno, I only point out the fact, with no other intentions :)
 
Seriously guys, can we make a snake-fill-package? That would be pretty fun, I think.

Btw. I'm doing pretty well on my Liederbuch-package and FillPages-Package. Might be ready in August.
 
yo'
Rain is almost over, time to ride the bike.
 
3:34 PM
@MaestroGlanz you are welcome to take the code from the answers and make one
 
3:50 PM
@MaestroGlanz I think a duck-fill package will get more interest around here...
 
@Johannes_B @PauloCereda: Tonight's dinner: Chicken Jalfrezi
 
4:04 PM
@ChristianHupfer Duck Jalfrezi?
 
@DavidCarlisle Duck Chicken (I renamed the duck ;-))
 
@PauloCereda I am starting to learn Portuguese. So many new sounds to master (particularly the variable s, r/rr, and o sounds)!
 
@AndrewCashner Yay! :)
@DavidCarlisle oh no!
 
That would probably lead into some badness rules, I think. If badness over x, insert snake.
 
@PauloCereda How difficult is it for you to understand European or African Portuguese speakers?
 
4:13 PM
@PauloCereda Sorry, if you don't like Jalfrezi we could stick to the classic roast with orange sauce.
 
@AndrewCashner It is quite difficult for me, personally. The way words are pronounced is different and I could not follow the speed. :)
@DavidCarlisle oh no!
 
@PauloCereda just trying to be helpful!
 
@DavidCarlisle <3
 
@PauloCereda That's helpful to know, thanks. Even though my research project is mostly about Angola and Portugal, and Angolan slaves in the Americas, in the 17th century, it still seems like a better idea to learn Brazilian Portuguese since there are more speakers and more resources for learning. Also I am guessing better food in Brazil.
 
4:31 PM
@AndrewCashner :) @barbarabeeton and I can vouch for great Portuguese food as well. :)
 
TeX.SX-Chat, the source of scientific evaluation.
 
@Andrew: I am quite biased to choose between one or another, but maybe European Portuguese would be better to help with other Portuguese-speaking countries.
 
@PauloCereda There will be more lines of research down the road that would involve Brazil, I think. Or perhaps I should think of them more like different languages. Aren't there people who insist that Brazilian is its own language?
 
@AndrewCashner I think this is a delicate subject and prefer not to touch even with a 10 foot pole. :) Maybe @AlanMunn can shed some light into this discussion (Alan speaks Brazilian Portuguese too). Personally, I am inclined towards having our own language identity, so I am against the new 2009 orthographic reform covering the Lusophone countries. :)
This article is about the spelling reforms of the Portuguese language. == Historical background == Portuguese began to be used regularly in documents and poetry around the 12th century. In 1290, King Diniz created the first Portuguese University in Lisbon (later moved to Coimbra) and decreed that Portuguese, then called simply the "common language", would henceforth be used instead of Latin, and named the "Portuguese language". In 1296, it was adopted by the Royal Chancellary and began to be used for writing laws and in notaries. The medieval spelling of Portuguese was not uniform, since it had...
 
4:49 PM
@PauloCereda I assume that means the new spellings don't match with your pronunciation?
 
@AndrewCashner They do. :) I don't like how they are now spelled. :)
 
@PauloCereda I'm reading this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
@PauloCereda I'm a bit confused by it, though. Do you (personally) prefer direcção or direção, for example?
 
@yo' From ogham?
 
5:04 PM
@AndrewCashner In PT-BR, direção. This is the correct form.
 
@PauloCereda What's an example of a spelling you dislike?
 
@AndrewCashner seqüência became sequência. They dropped the umlaut.
 
@PauloCereda Oh I see. In the new version how would I know from the spelling to pronounce the u?
 
5:20 PM
@AndrewCashner IPA, perhaps? :) I don't know, I grew used to umlauts. :)
@Andrew: @Alan is the best source for this. :)
It's more of a stylistic choice rather than something regarding operational semantics. :)
 
@PauloCereda Well it's not as though English spelling makes any sense. Spanish is consistent now, but in the old texts I read the spelling is all over the place; same with German. Multiple different spellings of one word on the same page.
 
@AndrewCashner Oh I am a very naïve duck. :)
 
@PauloCereda If you like the diaresis/umlaut you should read The New Yorker. They use a very old-fashioned editorial policy where they write coöperate (plus they spell out all numbers, even years like the nineteen-nineties).
 
@AndrewCashner ooh :)
@AndrewCashner: I forgot to mention, @DavidCarlisle is also an expert in Portuguese. :)
 
@ChristianHupfer Sounds good, did you take a picture of your meal?
 
yo'
5:32 PM
@TRiG sorry, maybe "transliteration" is not what I meant. I mean, at some moment, someone started writing the language in latin letters, and this can make the language look very different. Compare e.g. Czech and Polish, or English and Dutch -- two pairs of very close languages that are written significantly differently.
 
@PauloCereda Eu me especializei na versão europeia.
 
@DavidCarlisle ARGHH GOOGLE TRANSLATE ADOPTED THE ORTHOGRAPHIC REFORM
I'd write européia instead. :)
 
@PauloCereda same thing modulo those smudges above the letters.
 
@DavidCarlisle LOL
 
@Johannes_B No -- next time, promised
 
5:40 PM
@ChristianHupfer Ok. I want to see what the food you prepare looks like. Das Auge isst mit. ;-)
 
@Johannes_B Yes, but I won't share my food with you. It's mine :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer Maybe not the food (it would spoil anyway), but the recipe?
 
@Johannes_B Why would it spoil?
 
@ChristianHupfer Sending with Deutsche Post? Or any other service?
 
@Johannes_B Well, it's cooked, I think, I could package it quite responsibly and you have to heat it again (even in microwave oven)
 
5:44 PM
@ChristianHupfer I don't have a microwave oven.
@ChristianHupfer Cookies would be easier to send. :-)
 
@Johannes_B Then use a pan
@Johannes_B Cookies is not my domain.
 
yo'
@Johannes_B rly? (sorry for stepping in your dialogue, but I had to)
 
@yo' yep.
 
yo'
@Johannes_B wow
 
@ChristianHupfer Cookies.
@yo' Usually, i don't have leftovers to reheat. ;-)
 
5:46 PM
@Johannes_B Don't mention the war Cookies. You just attract strange frozen ducks to this place here, most dominantly the Brazilian ones ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer I like pizza.
 
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@Johannes_B and what about the morning cacao?!
 
@ChristianHupfer I was sitting over some strange template, and i couldn't figure out how to set the pagestyle of that left pages that are generated by openright. Turnsout i had to use \blankpagestyle{<style>}. Took me ten minutes to figure that out.
@yo' I am more of a coffee guy.
 
yo'
@Johannes_B oh, well, ok, but you don't put warm milk in your coffee?
 
@yo' No milk, no cream, no sugar.
 
5:49 PM
@Johannes_B \blankpagestyle???
 
yo'
@Johannes_B oh then you're a black soul :)
 
@yo' I was at a big fast food change once and decided to finally taste Latte Macchiato. The woman behind the counter asked me what flavour i would like. And with the most confused look i asked: Coffee?
@ChristianHupfer Seems like the author has a mental problem.
 
@Johannes_B Starbucks??? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer No, but the coffee was big and tasty ;-)
 
yo'
@Johannes_B LOLOLOL!
The correct answer is: "WTF is a flavoured coffee?!"
the only flavour my coffee is allowed is milk/cream, and cocoa powder on top. Oh, and alcohol possibly :)
 
5:53 PM
@yo' I didn't even know people do this stuff to coffee. I wouldn't put orange flavour in my beer.
 
@yo' @Johannes_B: I don't drink coffee at all.
 
yo'
@Johannes_B I would, but into the right type of beer. (I mean, fruity beers the Belgian style, or Radlers.) For coffee, it's really only the stuff I mentioned. Anything else is plain wrong to me.
 
@ChristianHupfer I don't know why the name was chosen, but initially, those pages are empty. I also don't know why it is \blankpagestyle. There is no documentation at all.
And the most annoying thing: It is my code and hence my fault.
 
yo'
I know to do it the other way around though, for bakery: Most chocolate whatever gets better with a bit of coffee
 
@yo' True that.
 
yo'
5:56 PM
@Johannes_B empty would be confusing as there is \pagestyle{empty}
 
@Johannes_B I suspected that -- as a joke, but now ... I am scared of your codes
 
yo'
(reminds me of: I need to get some good baking chocolate and make tarte au chocolat again)
 
@ChristianHupfer Patching a broken wheel barrow. I am breaking my own rules.
 
Brings us back to the Breaking Bad reference.
 
5:57 PM
@egreg: ^^ sorry. :)
 
@PauloCereda hihi
 
yo'
@PauloCereda :) only one thing: The part with politics is not true, neither the one with elections :)
 
@yo' :D
@Johannes_B @egreg will make me sit in the comfy chair!
 
yo'
Many politicians here -- 27 years after the velvet revolution -- have communist history.
 
@PauloCereda The modern version of MP sketch Prejudices :-P
 
6:06 PM
@ChristianHupfer Thank you, Carol!
 
yo'
@Paulo To know Europe, you need only one map:
 
@yo' LOL
 
yo'
@PauloCereda well, do you want a photo of my alcohol storage as a proof? :D
 
@PauloCereda Buses are the same way in Los Angeles
 
@yo' Hmm, not entirely accurate for the British Isles beyond England ....
 
yo'
6:09 PM
@AndrewCashner but that's US
@JosephWright I know, remember that this map was 99% likely made by someone Czech, so...
 
@yo' :-)
 
Yay, a new CV template available on L-templates.
 
yo'
it's also not accurate for a lot of places in Balkan
 
@JosephWright Ah the Empire. :)
 
yo'
But the important message is: my country is truly in the triple point :)
 
6:12 PM
Hello (La)TeX lovers!
 
@yo' Yes, where public transit is generally seen as a crazy new idea that no one could every possibly figure out and no one would ever really use.
 
I have absolutely no idea why people are following me on twitter.
 
@PauloCereda The galactic Empire? ;-)
 
yo'
@AndrewCashner one thing to "love" America for :-)
 
@ChristianHupfer The Commonwealth. :)
 
6:12 PM
@phell Quite glad that you wrote with uppercase letters ;-)
 
@yo' Right at the crossing of all circles, that's where we live :-)
 
@PauloCereda Ah that former empire ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer I aim to please. ;)
 
yo'
@Johannes_B where exactly are you from?
 
@yo' Penguinland! :)
 
6:14 PM
@PauloCereda I am in the comfy chair! The train is 45 minutes late. But I'm lucky it's going! The same train, yesterday, was canceled. The one I would catch this morning was two hours late (because of a suicide attempt). :(
 
@egreg Oh my! :(
 
Freiberg (doslova: "svobodné horní město") je historické a okresní město v Sasku v Německu, v podhůří Krušných hor asi v polovině cesty mezi Drážďany a Chemnitz. Bylo založeno kolem roku 1170 a po staletí bylo centrem těžby stříbra a rud. Z této těžby plynulo jeho bohatství a s dovozem stříbra z Ameriky v 16. století jeho sláva skončila. Nicméně v roce 1765 zde byla založena důlní akademie, nynější Technische Universität Bergakademie Freiberg. Správní oblastí města protéká řeka Freiberger Mulde a dva potoky. == Historie == Roku 1168 bylo v lesnaté krajině, která patřila klášteru Altzella, nalezeno…
 
@egreg: any chances for the usual glass of wine? :)
 
@PauloCereda :-D
 
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@Johannes_B ah Saxony, right :)
 
6:15 PM
@PauloCereda It's in front of me, with a bag of chips next to it.
 
@egreg ooh :)
 
@yo' How many letters are in the czech alphabet?
 
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@Johannes_B 38, IIRC
 
@Johannes_B Too many consonants and too few vocals
 
@yo' Wow. German alphabet has 30 lowercase and 29 uppercase letters.
 
yo'
6:17 PM
@egreg 12 vocals not enough for you?
@Johannes_B no, it has 30 letters in uppercase too, it's just that Germans do no know it yet :-)
 
@yo' It would be enough, but Czech language makes no use of them :-P
 
@yo' Nah, 26 letters, some modifiers ;-)
 
@yo' Instead of putting so many in the alphabet, you should use more of them in words. :P
 
@yo' Officially no :-( And it will only become official, if that letter is actually in wide use. I actually asked the guys.
 
yo'
6:20 PM
@Johannes_B the letter is in use whenever you transcribe ß into SS
 
@yo' Which is ... well they say it is correct, but ... Did you know that i was once King of France and the moon?
 
yo'
the problem is, people can't use it as long as the orthography does not allow it. They should allow both ways officially, only then you can see whether it catches up or not.
@Johannes_B What is correct? (Sorry I got lost)
 
The first bloke to say our capital is Buenos Aires, I will send my duck army. :)
 
@yo' If people are not aware of it, and don't know how to input a capital ẞ.
 
@PauloCereda I thought it would be Lima, but that's wrong too, I suppose? :-P
 
6:22 PM
@yo' I love this 'officially' business: being English, I find it all very odd :-)
 
yo'
@Johannes_B CAPSLOCK ß CAPSLOCK?
 
@yo' Fairy nuff.
 
@ChristianHupfer I will let you go safe this time. :)
 
yo'
@JosephWright :-)
 
@JosephWright LOL
 
6:23 PM
@yo' ß => SS, or if needed ß => SZ (official orthography except for city names)
@yo' Does that work? I don't think so. I use ctrl+shift+u and then tupe 1e9e.
 
yo'
@Johannes_B yeah. And the rules could say: ß => ẞ at the author's discretion.
 
A snake sounds like hissssssssssssssssssssssssssss. A German snake goes hißßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßß. <3
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@PauloCereda :-)
 
yo'
@Johannes_B I dunno; it works for Czech upppercase letters :)
@PauloCereda LOL
 
@yo' Worst thing is: HEIßER KAFFEE
 
yo'
6:25 PM
@Johannes_B is that a lowercase eszett in all-uppercase?
 
@yo' Doing shift + ß on a german keybord usually results in ?.
 
@PauloCereda NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, not that again
 
@ChristianHupfer Done. :)
 
@yo' Sure, why not? Many do it.
 
yo'
@Johannes_B now that's too bad
 
yo'
@Johannes_B yeah, but what if you have capslock on and don't use the shift?
 
@yo' No idea, american keyboard in use.
 
@PauloCereda I didn't know you were a songwriter :)
 
yo'
@Johannes_B ah
 
@AndrewCashner <3
 
yo'
6:27 PM
@AndrewCashner a German songwriter
 
I tried today to write on a usual german keyword. All mz text was destrozed and all the ÄA and other umlauts went strange.
 
@yo' I can't think of anyone else who could have written it. That is my considered opinion as a musicologist.
 
@AndrewCashner he uses bad German songs to torture us
 
@Christian: ^^ :D
@ChristianHupfer Yes, and yodelling!
:D
 
6:34 PM
@PauloCereda IIRC the band is from austria and the singer is from Poland, well, that's close enough, right?
 
@Johannes_B yep. :)
 
@AndrewCashner ooooooooh a jet-powered bird!
Oh no, el conejo está muriendo!
 
@cfr What was your standpoint on classicthesis again?
@PauloCereda Great song, right?
 
@Johannes_B Yes! :)
 
@PauloCereda Fantastic music video with animals. :P
 
@egreg OH MY!!!!! <3
 
@egreg Thank you for this, I did not know about it!
If you don't have a krummhorn you can just use a kazoo.
The hats are integral to the performance, apparently.
 
yo'
@AndrewCashner there are three instruments travelling with me in the guitar bag: a kazoo, a pair of castañuelas and a home-made somethinglikemaraca :)
 
@AndrewCashner -- thank you! that's absolutely delightful!
 
Mind if I post some good Brazilian music? :)
@AndrewCashner, @barbarabeeton: ^^ I love this song so much.
 
@PauloCereda How do you pronounce the composer's name? (With sound like English 'sh' at the end?)
 
@AndrewCashner Exactly, but less stressed. :)
 
@PauloCereda and the first part like Port. "Vilha"?
 
@AndrewCashner Oh no, it's different from Spanish. :) Just read as if there were only one l: Vilas.
@Andrew: Double ell in Portuguese is quite similar to Catalan's punt volat: Vil·las. :)
Well, actually we don't have double ell as part of our language. :)
 
7:16 PM
@PauloCereda Okay, thanks! I didn't think you had ll so I didn't know if it was pronounced as a foreign word (as from Spanish). Wow, I don't think I've ever heard anyone pronounce that name correctly, then. So it's something like (American phonetic spelling) "Vill-uh Low-bush"?
 
@AndrewCashner Perfect!
 
7:42 PM
@DavidCarlisle I see you like me are reading the expansion question and hoping some actual point emerges :-)
 
@PauloCereda Going to El Capitan in a few minutes.
 
@egreg Good luck! :) I reinstalled it two days ago. :)
 
@JosephWright werner was kinder and just fixed it:-)
 
@egreg Working here thus-far (updated ~1 week ago)
@DavidCarlisle Indeed
 
@AndrewCashner One of the best compositions of Leopold!
 
7:46 PM
@JosephWright I had problems in the past. But maybe because it went from Mountain Lion to Mavericks, then Yosemite, then El Capitan. :) This time, I did a clean install.
 
@PauloCereda Straight from 10.9.5 => 10.11.4 here, though next time I will be doing a clean install
 
@JosephWright :)
 
@JosephWright should we change \pdfcreationdate and/or add pdftracingfonts? (probably I'd do both, since they've been requested and not clearly wrong)
 
@DavidCarlisle I guess so: if we want to make the DVD has to go 'now', but probably not a requirement
 
@JosephWright i could do it, talking of making the dvd it would have been nice if fontenc could have defaulted to tuenc (cf recent uniocde-math issue:(
 
7:51 PM
@DavidCarlisle Mail Will I suppose
@DavidCarlisle I'll do that now (mail WSPR)
 
@JosephWright did that already:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah, in that case no action needed
@DavidCarlisle Probably KB will fit the updates in if they hit CTAN this week
 
@JosephWright I suppose I should mail the list see if anyone has anything pending for tools as I'd like to push out a fixed shellesc
 
@PauloCereda The download seems to take some time. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Good plan: I doubt it given the timescale
 
7:54 PM
@AndrewCashner: Do you have thought about my questions in the mail I sent you?
 
@ChristianHupfer Yes, thank you! I'm trying some ways to rework it. I do think the idea of separate contents lists is good; then I could also have a list of assignment due dates and exams. I'm also not sure I even need the automatic numbering of sections, since I know which week of the term it will be and in fact I often get confused and accidentally leave off a scheduled class. I'll be working on it more and get back to you.
 
@DavidCarlisle Mail received :-) Assuming we get nothing soon, will you update CTAN or should I (remembering to make sure the version number matches the README)
 
@JosephWright what date do you give tools updates for ctan these days? just the upload date independent of any dates in the files?
 
@DavidCarlisle They don't like that ....
 
@JosephWright ah answered before I asked, README says README for the tools' bundle (December 1999)` ??
 
7:58 PM
@DavidCarlisle Date of last 'visible' change, so the last thing in the README
 
@JosephWright README or changes.txt?
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah, changes.txt for tools
 
@JosephWright OK 2016-04-29 it is then:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Exactly: I have got used to this (I mainly get it right, believe it or not)
 
@JosephWright that's why we get you to do it, but actually it would be good if more than one of us was doing that so I'll push it to ctan this time...
 
8:01 PM
@DavidCarlisle OK: I'm quite happy either way (though I think it is best I do expl3)
 
@JosephWright yes:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle There is a reason we've been keen to have a reliable build system :-)
@DavidCarlisle It's only taken since I joined the team, more or less, to get it sorted properly (I had a lot of trouble to start with)
 
@JosephWright make used to work quite well when it only had to work on sunos and ultrix:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm sure, but remember when I started we'd got CONS
 
@JosephWright that never worked as far as I could tell:-)
 
8:10 PM
@DavidCarlisle No
@DavidCarlisle Certainly not for me
 
@JosephWright a broken build system makes for a very stable public software.....
 
@DavidCarlisle Also, I came in with 'we've not done a release of expl3 to CTAN since ~1999'
@DavidCarlisle :-)
@DavidCarlisle I think on balance I prefer the current situation
 
@JosephWright er yes (although many luatex users are going to be wishing for the old days once tl2016 gets wide release)
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh yes: font loader still be altered I think
New pointless mod power
 
@JosephWright another luaotfload release just now
 
8:15 PM
@DavidCarlisle Exactly
 
@JosephWright what can you do now?
 
> It’s now possible for moderators to signal their intention to go on vacation via the moderator history page.
 
@JosephWright oh does your request for a vacation have to be authorised by the network powers, just like a real job?
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm an academic, remember: I don't ask to go on holiday, I just go
@DavidCarlisle Anyway, I'm here every day as we all know
 
yo'
@JosephWright LOL
 
8:30 PM
@yo' Like I said, useless mod power
 
@PauloCereda The download time is oscillating between 20 hours and 1 day
 
yo'
@JosephWright well, may be useful at sites like SO that have dozen of mods and have to keep an eye on their usefulness.
 
@yo' Sure
 
@egreg App Store downloads are very, very slow for me. :(
 
@egreg Much faster for me (perhaps 90 mins)
 
8:38 PM
@JosephWright You have MI5's link. :)
 
@PauloCereda ~30 Mbps fibre-to-the-cabinet connection in my flat
 
yo'
between 25 and 80 Mbps in my moblie phone :)
as for my home internet, if I cable-connected to the router, it would be about 100Mbps, over twice translated WiFi it's only 15Mbps
 
@JosephWright Lucky you!
 
Got to 50 points, now I can comment on that other question...hmm...now I just have to find it...
 
9:09 PM
@JosephWright, @egreg: make sure to keep the latest El Capitan image. I had mine still from the first days of release and it had a bug that prevented the correct clean install. :)
 
9:44 PM
@PauloCereda Do you remember where it is stored?
 
10:01 PM
@AndrewCashner Ok, I'll wait then with further suggestions
 
cfr
10:19 PM
@Johannes_B Sorry?
 
 
1 hour later…
11:42 PM
@egreg You will have an app named something along the lines of "Install OSX El Capitan" inside /Applications. Copy it before running it. :)
 
yo'
The feeling when 3 well known people post an answer, and none of them is @egreg or @David :)
 

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