@Johannes_B No?!

@Johannes: maybe I am in your spam folder?

@Johannes_B OK, thanks. Do Markus Kohm and/or Lars Madsen know about this? Should they know?

Today I woke up to 5 more upvotes and 5 more badges. Someone, yesterday, decided to do a round on my answers and questions :) And probably on purpose, because of the 5 different badges.

@clemens ooh a secret!

@clemens We could ping @daleif here, and Markus at komascript.de

@clemens If i recall correctly, both redefs do nearly the same. Maybe a merge could be arranged, so both classes share the same macro. Not sure if this would be applicable, though.

@Johannes_B We could try @KomaScriptBloke. :)

@Johannes: speaking of contact, no mail from me?

@PauloCereda No, but you should have one from me by now :-)

@Johannes_B ooh

@PauloCereda Sent to the sourceforge address

@Johannes_B Got it! :) That's odd, I typed your email correctly. Let me try forwarding it to you again.

@Johannes_B: sent.

@PauloCereda Got it :-)

@Johannes_B That's my primary email. :)

@PauloCereda Nice naming scheme, sounds familiar :- D

@Johannes_B I iz a smart duck. :)

@PauloCereda but you hide it well

@DavidCarlisle ooh

@egreg it works, the bug is just that it doesn't stop working if you use \usepackage[2014/05/01]{latexrelease} :-) (I removed my comment from the main site so as not to confuse people with the back-chat)

@PauloCereda Tricky question.

@Johannes_B Last resort is to leave the English version. :)

@DavidCarlisle Added!

@PauloCereda Is it possible that there are multiple programs in {0}, or is it always the next current engine or function?

@Johannes_B It's only one instruction. Even if the rule has multiple commands, the dry-run mode makes sure to split them into individual references.

@PauloCereda @clemens @heiko Maybe a quite simple "Als nächstes läuft {0}"? which would loosely translate to "the next one is".

@Johannes_B Hm I like the idea, but I am not sure if it's the next one, it's the current one. :)

@PauloCereda "Jetzt läuft" oder "Jetzt wird ausgeführt" <- last one similar to clemens' longer and more formal "Ich werde jetzt ausführen".

@Johannes_B @PauloCereda @heiko Or maybe Verarbeite jetzt: {0}

Any german teacher around?

@Johannes_B Wait for @David. :)

@clemens or "Bearbeite jetzt"?

@clemens Both sound wrong.

@clemens: now I am sure Marco trolled us. :)

@PauloCereda :)

How about something more informal: Los geht's: {0}

@PauloCereda quack nächsten schwimmen

@DavidCarlisle ^^ @Johannes_B @clemens see

@clemens I like that.

@Johannes_B A little confused here?

@daleif Related to chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/22082749#22082749

@daleif Good morning :-)

@Johannes_B Morning?!, just finished lunch ;-)

@Johannes_B and the problem is? Other than loading some KOMA stuff where it might not be relevant

(tested with chemformula from TL14 frozen)

@daleif @clemens uses scrlfile to do some package loading stuff. Would need to look into the code again.

@Johannes_B @daleif scrlfile is a KOMA package for package authors so it might be used by other packages, too. (I haven't done any testing so I don't know if there actually is a problem: maybe we should ask Markus)

@PauloCereda so easy!

@clemens :)

@clemens: I will go with Los geht's: {0}, just saw the translation, it's cool. :)

@clemens @daleif About two months back; a bit above this, a bit below. If you are interested

@clemens memoir redefines \InputIfFileExists to add hooks, as does scrlfile

@clemens Maybe a test for the document class to choose memoir facilities, or using scrlfile.

I don't think there is much I can do about it.

Yay, M&Ms!

@barbarabeeton @daleif Just sent you both a mail.

@DavidCarlisle I couldn't find a better way to support unusual ligatures or contextual swashes than deforming an encoding. Not to say there isn't one but the examples I found (which were not that many) seemed to use this kind of approach. T1 is not the best choice, though. LY1 is perhaps better as it has free slots. But that makes it more difficult to use the characters if you need T1 for other reasons. (Whereas supplying 2 T1 encodings wtih the standard one default makes this more straightforward.)

@cfr Are you talking about your packages for the ADF fonts? I can’t find the comment by David you’re replying to.

@ArthurReutenauer Not specifically. @1010011010 was discussing ways to use more ligatures without using Xe/LuaTeX and asking if it was OK to assign them to slots in T1. But, of the packages I've released onto an unsuspecting public, yes, the ADF ones would be the obvious (maybe only) examples where I've done something like this.

@cfr but why not call it LCFR1 ? the whole idea of the latex2e named encodings was to get away from the problem in latex2.09 that each font package defined commands assuming specific characters in specific slots, so a change of font meant all the commands silently produced rubbish.

@ArthurReutenauer the stared one on the right saying don't call an encoding T1 if it isn't that encoding.

Because that requires lots more work and is harder to maintain.

@DavidCarlisle ^^

@cfr but lets you sleep at night.

@cfr LY1 only exists because Frank and I were moaning at Berthold Horn that Y&Y was misusing the encoding system so he said well what should it look like then, so I defined a "local" LY1 encoding just for the encoding Y&Y tex was using.

@DavidCarlisle It reduces functionality, too. And it would require redefining core LaTeX commands in ways I don't think are good at all.

@cfr why? the core is supposed to be designed exactly so that you could define new encodings easily.

@DavidCarlisle Because if you want to combine one of the ADF font families for serif, for example, with a non-ADF family for sans and/or typewriter, and you want something like Text in serif \textsf{text in sans}, then you need \sffamily to switch to a different font encoding. Also, to allow users who want to write with proper accented characters to use swash \swstyle needs to switch to the font-specific encoding and this will also be problematic. At least, I think so.

@cfr so the principle is that it should be a new encoding but ligatures are a bit different to encoding specific commands like ^ etc, as of course normally they are opaque to tex macro layer anyway, and it might be noted that we balked at defining multiple variants of OT1 and lumped all the cm fonts into that encoding even though tt (and some of the smaller sizes) are actually quite different

@PauloCereda :) good choice

@cfr yes but the issue really is what's in that argument, text in sans is all conveniently ascii so it all conveniently works but presumably text \c{i}n \k{s}\=ans will just silently produce nonsense for any characters for which the slots for the diacritics have been stolen for fancy ligatures?

@DavidCarlisle I'm only talking about stuff defined as ligatures. For something like \zeroslash in cfr-lm, I use the U encoding which, as far as I know, is OK. The only exception to this I can think of is Berenis which the LY1 encoding defines things so that the circumflexes on w and y use precomposed characters. But LY1 has free slots. I don't do this with the T1 encoding.

@DavidCarlisle The way I do it, this will happen only if it is within the scope of a command explicitly switching to swash style, say. Or if you've enabled a non-default package option which I recommend people do not use unless they know what they are doing. If the default encoding is T1, by default that will all work. The only exception would be a case where the font did not provide a character and that character cannot be constructed. In that case, I might use the slot for a ligature.

@DavidCarlisle Thanks. I starred it too :-)

@cfr I understand your use case, at least I think I do, but but that’s really abusing the font encoding system.

@cfr I might let you off then:-) (but I'll try to remember to look what you actually do...) Of course one day @ArthurReutenauer will take over the world and you won't have to worry about packing ligatures and diacritics into a 256 glyph encoding.....

@cfr If your font has no glyph for a slot in T1 and you put a ligature instead, you shouldn’t call it T1.

@DavidCarlisle That day may be closer than you think! ;-)

@cfr But admittedly I don’t know enough about your font packages.

@DavidCarlisle what would be the right rule?

(I'm not disagreeing with you; I just want to know what you've been operating under.)

@SeanAllred mathjax specific questions are off topic, or to put it another way if you can answer by taking (or making) a MWE and running it through tex, it's on topic, if the question is "zzz works in latex but fails if interpreted by half a million lines of javascript", then it is off topic.

@DavidCarlisle gotcha :)

@clemens Dankeschön. :)

@DavidCarlisle LY1 is the encoding also known under the name of texnansi, right? (notably by ConTeXt).

@ArthurReutenauer yes

Thanks

@ArthurReutenauer ansi of course being microsoft's name for an encoding standard that they didn't follow, that wasn't specified by ANSI.

@DavidCarlisle As we all know :-)

@DavidCarlisle UC1 ;-)

@ArthurReutenauer Y&Y tex didn't support virtual fonts (or any other usable method of re-encoding fonts) so there was a big incentive to expose the windows native encoding to tex and let characters just fall through to be rendered by adobe type manager.

changing the font from the default seems to have turned characters into another language font. – emergency becomes âĂŞ emergency, is there a setting for this?

@baxx We'll need an example

@JosephWright that was it ha, I'll get a full version now :)

@baxx accented A === something mis-interpretting UTF-8 encoding 99 times out of 10.

@DavidCarlisle right. I can't seem to get it working on it's own so it could be a while

@baxx but as I say looks like you are just interpreting the bytes of – (E2 80 93) as three characters, did you lose \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} somewhere?

@DavidCarlisle no - i think there are a few MS fonts or something in the doc actually, just going through it now (would that trigger something like this?)

@DavidCarlisle yeah, it's a ' thing, like a single quote

@baxx Changing fonts doesn’t normally trigger something like this, at least not directly. We really need an actual document.

@baxx In any case the three characters you see are all used in Romanian; I’m looking for what encoding it could be right now.

@ArthurReutenauer it was because the file has MS Word things in it, the single quote mark for an apostrophe

@ArthurReutenauer I just have to replace them, all good :)

@baxx Oh, maybe the apostrophe has been mis-encoded when pasted / input into the document somehow.

That’s entirely possible.

@ArthurReutenauer text is from an MS word doc, seems to have just left them as they were. No worries though

@ArthurReutenauer I'm more concerned about not abusing end-users than not abusing the system. While those often coincide, they don't always do so. Although 2e's font set up is, as I understand it, a great improvement over what 2.09 had, it still has quite significant limitations. (I never used 2.09 so I don't really know this - just based on what I've read.) Strictly speaking, any solution will be either an 'abuse' of the system or essentially unusable.

@cfr Yes, I’ve had a quick look at the Berenis doc and font files and agree that what you’re doing is reasonable. You’re hitting the limits of the system anyway.

@DavidCarlisle Caveat: if a package is for my private use, I configure it however I want. But I would not release those packages. (I tend to do it the same way anyway. But I would not feel bound to do so if it was convenient not to.)

@cfr At first I thought you were doing things like “if that font has no slot for, say, č š and ž, I put ligatures” there.

@ArthurReutenauer Berenis is actually a bad example in that I wouldn't do it the same way now. Originally, I only supported LY1. T1 was added at the request of Polish users. If I'd done this from the beginning, I probably would have made T1 default and tried to pick up whether Welsh was active, switching to LY1 if so. However, I didn't want to break backwards compatibility.

@cfr That’s understandable. I would have a look at other fonts but really need to go back to work ;-)

@ArthurReutenauer Those can be constructed in a virtual font (unless the accent is missing altogether).

@Johannes_B -- i've been watching. hasn't arrived yet ...

@barbarabeeton I sent it to tech-support at the ams ending.

@cfr Yes, it’s what you implied in your earlier reply to David, but somehow I misunderstood. I really need to go back to work now, all I’ve managed today is to correct “Switerland” to “Switzerland” on a page of our website :-/

@JosephWright Spam attack!

@ArthurReutenauer for which you have a whole nation being thankful. Probably more than the rest of us have achieved today...

@cfr 2.09 had no model of font encoding, it is basically the model from plain tex, plus size changing. \rm just always gave you cmr at some size :-)

@Johannes_B -- it has arrived now, and i'm looking at it. thanks.

Quick question: what is a fast method of specifying that math letters, numbers and (), should come from a given font (that does not otherwise provide math support)?

@daleif \DeclareSymbolFont and suitable declarations for letters and numbers; more complicated for parentheses, if you want them to obey \left and \right (or \big and friends, which is the same). Of course spacing can be awkward.

@egreg As far as I can see the only thing I need is a-zA-Z, (),.. There is only one of these abstracts that have math. The document is typeset with Lato, does not look good mixed with CM.

Urgh, not fun when you do not know what you are doing

@daleif \DeclareSymbolFont{latoletters}{OT1}{fla}{m}{it} followed by \DeclareMathSymbol{a}{\mathalpha}{latoletters}{`a} and so on.

@egreg Thanks. What about ',()?

Hi

oh, that also works, thanks again

@DavidCarlisle Ha ha, that’s nice :-) I did try to change the spelling of other things too, but that was declined ;-)

The usual 'delete aux files' problems: we have a master question for that which I can't find. Anyone?

@daleif I'd say to try

\DeclareMathDelimiter{(}{\mathopen} {latoletters}{`(}{largesymbols}{"00}
\DeclareMathDelimiter{)}{\mathclose}{latoletters}{`)}{largesymbols}{"01}

@barznjy \arg_{..} or in general \mathop{\mathrm{zzzz}}\displaylimits_{..}

@barznjy Use \arg that's already defined. ;-) More generally, \operatorname*{foo} will behave like \min and \max. (You need amsmath)

Hi everyone, just back from two weeks in Iceland. It seems that the Salvation Army there is developing a new TeX engine just for women: goo.gl/qphlm4

@AlanMunn I thought this would be more suitable for iceland!

@DavidCarlisle Yes, it does come in handy for sure.

@AlanMunn LOL

@egreg Thoughts on tex.stackexchange.com/questions/249415/… (forgot the \selectfont there).

Maybe a new sizecommand should be introduced along with proper spacing.

@egreg will do tomorrow. I just added it like letters and it did work, though it gave me italic ()'s ;-)

@Johannes_B: I’m already spending on TeX.SX more time that I should, and if I now begin to participate in chatrooms, I’m afraid of being caught into a vortex I’d prefer to avoid. :-) I have just discovered how to do so, anyway! ;-)

@GustavoMezzetti The Stackexchange system is evil.

@Johannes_B: Yes, I’ve already skimmed through that.

Trying to catch something to eat, see you later guys.

@barznjy your code^^^

@DavidCarlisle why it is not work with me ?

@barznjy presumably because you are using some private code you haven't told us about.

\documentclass{article}

\begin{document}

\[ \arg\limits_{x=0}\]
\end{document}

@barznjy start from ^^^ and add stuff until it breaks.

@cfr ctan.org/pkg/maths-symbols

@barznjy ooh blame @barbarabeeton (@egreg:-)

@barznjy \mathop{\arg} gets back to where you were

@barznjy The standard meaning of “arg” is for the argument of a complex number and, as such, limits are not provided for; if you need it for something else, you should redefine it

\let\arg\relax
\DeclareMathOperator*{\arg}{arg}

@egreg agree with this although I must say I hadn't noticed (or had forgotten) that amsmath changes the default here.

@daleif Oh, yes! You should use the operators font for them, not latoletters. Sorry.

@DavidCarlisle @egreg Thank you

@Johannes_B Yes: my answer is right, the others aren't. ;-)

@barznjy: For a one-shot usage, you can also fool \qopname (and \nolimits@) by saying \arg\relax\limits_{x=0}.

@egreg As always. :-)

@egreg I bet if Knuth came here in disguise, you would steal him ticks.

Hi, could anyone provide some insight here... so there's this answer here by jfbu: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/119714/…, I actually have several questions but the main question is, why would I even bother with a virtual font here? Can't I just encode a font to my liking so that the right glyphs are in the right slots? Then set OML encoding in the font definition file and be done with it?

I thought virtual fonts were for combining bits of two different TeX fonts into one, because one font is missing something the other font isn't

And the restriction of 256 characters in one font is still there... but I guess there's using seperate fonts in a font family to address that issue

:22096495, @egreg -- i've dug into the \limits question. the behavior is documented (texdoc amsopn): "What \nolimits@ does is keep a \limits typed by the user from having any effect. This is used for operatornames whose standard usage is never to have limits." from michael downes, 1999/12/14; presumably to enforce ams style so that copyeditors didn't have to be bothered checking.

@barbarabeeton And it's a good thing

@barbarabeeton: And indeed, that’s why \arg\relax\limits_{x=0} works, fooling \nolimts@ (and the copyeditors as well… :-)

@GustavoMezzetti Ciao! Nice to see you here!

@GustavoMezzetti Here it is:

% amsopn.sty, line 38:
\def\nolimits@{\@ifnextchar\limits{\nolimits\@gobble}{\nolimits}}

@egreg: Yes, I know it. But I said I don’t want to be caught in the “TeX.SX chatroom vortex”!

Plus the fact that \nolimits\relax_{...} will gobble \relax as part of a <filler>

@1010011010 many of the initial vf fonts just had a single underlying font

@1010011010 you just need (any) text editor not specialist font editors and even with a font editor you need specialist knowledge to know what to change in the underlying font to affect the italic correction and sidebearings for use in math, also (perhaps) questions about whether you are allowed to open up the existing font due to licence issues.

@DavidCarlisle italic correction can be changed with fontdimen 2, rest can be fine tuned anyway... worst case just edit the property list manually, I'm not sure how the side bearings work but it's surely documented somewhere

virtual font still seems like a bit of an overkill

@1010011010 no italic correction is per-character not a font parameter

@DavidCarlisle Oh, yeah, fair enough

@1010011010 you can't sensibly affect the sidebearings by editing the property list you can affect the advance width of the character that way but that just affects the space on the right, to affect the space on the left you need to move the glyph within its box, either with virtual font or editing the actual font with fontforge or some such

@egreg: Hmm, of what <filler> are you talking here, exactly? On page 292, first item, I can’t find no mention of <filler>. <subscript><math field> (page 291, last item), with <math field> expanding to <filler>{<math mode material>} (page 289) would gobble a \relax after the _: correct?

@DavidCarlisle MOVELEFT and the lot are virtual font only? Snap, that's what I was missing

The command for raising the character is RAISE?

@1010011010 the only data associated with a character in a tfm are (references to) the four lengths: height depth width italic correction.

@DavidCarlisle I meant the stuff in vpl files that you sometimes see like MOVELEFT

@1010011010 probably, I read the vpl spec after Knuth announced it, but when was that 1990 or something:-) It's a while ago:-)

Woops, I got spoiled by siunitx tables. Any tips for easy table alignment in REVTeX,

?

@PauloCereda @JosephWright So my mother, talking about the neighbours' dead juniper trees, says "So not believing these parrots were dead, they replanted them in the back". LOL

@repurposer can't you use siunitx there? (or dcolumn of course)

@egreg: Yes, I’ve just checked with \tracingcommands: for instance, with \arg\relax\relax\limits_\relax{x=0}, the two \relax between \arg and \limits are executed (and they follow the \nolimits coming from the false branch of \@ifnextchar), while the third one, between \limits and _, is not.

Ah turns out it's MOVEUP MOVEDOWN MOVELEFT MOVERIGHT

@DavidCarlisle not unless something has changed since tex.stackexchange.com/questions/9647/…

OK second question is, how should I read pdftex.map? There's a huge amount of entries, like the one jfbu mentioned:

ptmmi8r NimbusRomNo9L-ReguItal "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc <utmri8a.pfb

Why would I use this step in the first place...

@repurposer oh you mean "fit with APS submission guidelines" rather than "work with revtex macros"? Are you allowed to use dcolumn?

@1010011010 because otherwise the font has the wrong encoding? and wrong name

@DavidCarlisle So this step is really just that, reencoding the font from one encoding to another

I could alternatively just take my font and encode it manually, rather than using that

@1010011010 and specifying the name and whether it should be used by reference or embedded and/or subsetted

let's see <fontname> ??? <encoding> <encoding file> ???

What's argument 2 and 5 all about?

@1010011010 texlive has the full spec for that:-) as i recall it's the tex-name, internal postscript name, command to apply, encoding file to use underlying font file to use then one or two < to control whether to embed or not

@DavidCarlisle The only real problem with using siunitx is that they convert to a different typesetting system and it does not automatically handle siunitx, so it would be a longer time to get proofs. I am really just wondering if it is worth refactoring my tables to match the style; I am definitely using siunitx in my dissertation, and I don't honestly know whether or not I care how long proofs would take.

@DavidCarlisle I am trying dcolumn now, but I did also like how siunitxhandles uncertainty. Maybe I will just leave it alone

@repurposer ask @JosephWright I'm sure he'll agree that dcolumn's much better anyway.

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle Ah yes I found the specifications, I just never understood the postscript name thing

@1010011010 the external filename is just that: a filename. once you load that into the postscript interpreter you need to know the internal name of the font defined so you can access it to recode it (or use it at all)

@AlanMunn LOLOLOL

Yeah it's all done so behind the scenes. A PS font name was never asked anywhere, making everything just that much more confusing

@egreg: Oops, I actually meant “the third one, between _ and {x=0}, is not”.

@GustavoMezzetti you can have relax either side of the _ try ` \sum\relax_\relax{x=0}` puts x=0 in limits position under the sum.

@egreg I have to be completely honest, maths isn't my field, i know what i need to know and that is it. But i really have to ask, was i asleep when somebody explained the logic, or is this some kind of nomenclature or is this ... Can you refer me to some reading? Why are they doing this?

@DavidCarlisle: Yes, of course, but the difference is that the first \relax (before the _) is executed (doing nothing, okay, but it is executed and its execution can be traced), while the second (after the _) is absorbed as part of a <filler>, and not executed. @egreg was suggesting that the first one can be absorbed as part of a <filler> too, which is incorrect (extremely rare event, but it sometimes occurs :-) .

Now i notice, that the question contains the only image not having this creepy perthousand

@GustavoMezzetti you must mean filler being absorbed is rare as egreg being incorrect is as regular as clockwork

@Johannes_B it's not maths it's chemisty:-)

@DavidCarlisle It is Prozentrechnung. ;-)

@Johannes_B Chemiker sind seltsam , nicht sagen joseph

@DavidCarlisle :-D Or as @paulo would say <3

@DavidCarlisle: Indeed, I have been pretty brusque: egreg had just welcomed me in this chatroom! Please forgive me, @egreg: at first, I really did not understand your remark, so I checked the TeXbook, and…

@Johannes_B ooh <3

@Johannes_B Chemists!

@GustavoMezzetti Don't worry!

@egreg Is it localized to chemists? And Materials Scientists? @JosephWright @AlanMunn @clemens and others?

@Johannes_B What's the purpose of multiplying by 1 (written 1000‰) is beyond my understanding.

@egreg I have seen it so many times, there's gotta be a reason.

@Johannes_B Ich bin kein Chemiker, aber ein bischen seltsam.

@AlanMunn working with languages has that effect

@AlanMunn But since when is everybody speaking german? :-)

@Johannes_B Ich bin auch aus Kanada. But I guess I'm not the guy from there. :)

@Johannes_B As with all things, @DavidCarlisle started it.

@AlanMunn Ich bin ein Berliner

Some day I will get a whiteboard and draw all your avatars on it along with names, location, profession and favourite tags.

@Johannes_B or just print this tex.stackexchange.com/users?tab=Reputation&filter=all

@DavidCarlisle Nah, boring.

Goodbye everybody, I’m going to sleep. Thanks to all of you for having made my first chat here a very pleasant experience.

@GustavoMezzetti Buona notte!

@GustavoMezzetti buonanotte

@egreg optional space I see:-)

@DavidCarlisle Yes, it's optional.

@egreg phew I was all set to defend my use of the language against your usual complaints:-)

Hmmmm it looks like I broke otftotfm

The most basic otftotfm command produces this:

/fonts/enc/dvips/cm-super/cm-super-t1.enc}name = myfont--lcdfj, rootname = myfont--lcdfj, pointsize =
mktexmf: empty or non-existent rootfile!
Cannot find font myfont--lcdfj in map file(s).

kpathsea: Running mktexmf myfont--lcdfj.mf

Not a single custom font is functional anymore....

Nor does running otftotfm change anything

@DavidCarlisle Usually “buonanotte” is used to mention the salutation or as an interjection (with negative meaning). To salute somebody you say “buona notte”.

@egreg well I knew you'd find some criticism somewhere

Yannis's luaotfload question bugging me, any lua font loading experts here....

Ansered my first question involving L3-code. The solution did not.

Instead of accepting my answer the user simply comment "that worked very nicely", will my answer be voted by community later? Should I reply or message the user?

@G.Bay It happens:-) you'll probably pick up some votes but accepting or not is the choice of the OP.

Hmmm, ok, thanks :)

@G.Bay You just got one! ;-)

@DavidCarlisle -- do you think i should suggest to @egreg that his familiarity with math might be useful in reviewing the stix fonts? (at the moment, i'm busy tearing apart the "testmath" example.)

@G.Bay or two:-)

@barbarabeeton warn him to put his wine down before looking at the output:-)

@barbarabeeton We can talk about this in Darmstadt. In front of a good beer glass.

wow, many thanks :D

@G.Bay basically new users often don't realise, sometime of course they just ask their question and move on and don't come back. Sometimes you get an accept months later when they come back for another question and see how the site works.

@DavidCarlisle @G.Bay I got some green ticks more than one year after the fact.

@barbarabeeton do you know when this phase is supposed to end?

@egreg -- i'm hoping to try out the local cider in darmstadt. but regarding stix, we're hoping that the font adjustments are done by then.

@egreg any of them deserved?

@DavidCarlisle -- i'll have to ask stephen, but i'm sure it's before the middle of july.

hm,m I see

@barbarabeeton What in particular do you need?

@egreg -- at this point, there are only a few "gross" omissions, but i have a problem with things like spacing around and between fences, incremental stretching of extensible characters (including the radical), alignment of "combining" symbols, that sort of thing. i could use suggestions on what might benefit from more structured tests (like increments for growing fences; i'm already working on that). if you're interested/willing, i'll get you an invitation.

@barbarabeeton I may be even looking at email! Please, do. I'll have a look and see if I can be of any help.

@egreg -- ohmygosh! what a radical idea!

dinner time; my ride awaits. until tomorrow ...

@barbarabeeton Buona notte!

@egreg ^^^ see I learn fast

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle A little kerning problem though.

@DavidCarlisle Thank you!

Is it just me or is academia becoming positively hostile to compliance with open standards of any kind? (It's one thing to be indifferent, but my university has just disabled access to email via any standard protocol whatsoever.)

@egreg You are privileged to have that option! Email! Oh, my!

bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/33065934

@DavidCarlisle Wow! Do you know that my nephew went to New Zealand to play rugby? The world is changing!

@egreg meanwhile others keep up usual english sporting traditions bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33044255

@DavidCarlisle Fighting the French? :)

@clemens s/smal/small/ at mychemistry.eu/2015/06/modern-times

@DavidCarlisle England not beaten France since 1974

@PauloCereda Copa América is going to start.

@egreg ooh indeed. :)