TeX, LaTeX and Friends

Sean Allred

12:10 AM

@PauloCereda ???

Oh, as a built-in engine?

github.com/TeXworks/texworks/issues/624

deostroll

4:56 AM

hello. there used to be a site where we could draw mathematical symbols using the mouse, and it would give the symbol's latex equivalent...anyone know this site? It came as an ad in the main site too...in the right bar...

Joseph Wright

8:14 AM

@deostroll Detexify

yo'

@JosephWright it's nice when people ask directly for something that already exists :)

Johannes_B

9:35 AM

give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime Reading an introduction, you will be able to help yourselv and will never be hungry for solutions again. — Johannes_B 8 secs ago

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred Yes, that one. :)

yo'

@PauloCereda hello there!

Paulo Cereda

@yo' Hi Tom!

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Light a man a fire, and he will be warm for one day; set a man on fire, and he is warm for the rest of his life

Paulo Cereda

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man how to write macros and that dude will eventually drive himself into infinite recursion, so he won't bother you anymore.

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Big Hero + Elsa. I LOL'd. :)

Paulo Cereda

10:10 AM

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Q: How to pronounce `TeX Live`?

I am not a native English speaker. So I am confused whether TeX Live should be pronounced as [tek liv] or [tek laiv]? Thanks in advance.

texlive

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda followed Heiko's link to the other forum only to find our very own @barbarabeeton

Paulo Cereda

10:31 AM

@DavidCarlisle ooh :)

egreg

Spam alert: tex.stackexchange.com/a/236763/4427

Stefan Kottwitz

10:48 AM

@egreg already deleted

yo'

11:26 AM

@DavidCarlisle :)

Paulo Cereda

12:06 PM

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Q: When you depart the best way to deliver email on conflict of kin?

Therefore I'm head and I would like to switch my title therefore I am considering departing behind I need them in the future too so that I thought I left basically sent them email to entire family then would it be got by them despite I depart?

tikz-pgf

WAT

Look at the tag. :)

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A: My wife has died

He poisoned her morning coffee.

What's wrong with people? o.O

yo'

@PauloCereda asking puzzles?

Paulo Cereda

@yo' The proposed solution. :)

yo'

@PauloCereda people do that all the time

Paulo Cereda

@yo' poisoning coffees? :)

yo'

@PauloCereda killing wifes?

Paulo Cereda

12:12 PM

@yo' solving puzzles?

yo'

@PauloCereda that too

Paulo Cereda

@yo' <3

yo'

my current big puzzle is "make 4G LTE internet from the damned Vodafone CZ work on linux"

yo'

12:57 PM

I love stealing ticks :)

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Faheem Mitha

1:13 PM

@JosephWright That seems to be one of the author's most popular quotes. I see it everywhere.

@yo' Giant blood-sucking leech things?

yo'

@FaheemMitha well, they're no fun if they get you know where :)

Faheem Mitha

From "Jingo", apparently. Not read that one.

There was even an explanation requested on ELL. ::-)

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Q: Meaning of "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life."

What is the meaning of this quote by Terry Pratchett? Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life. I think I understand the first sentence. It says that if you give somebody e.g. a torch or help set a fire with a limited quantity...

phrase-meaning

English humor must be a real challenge to non-native speakers.

Or should that be British humor?

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha Indeed

@FaheemMitha He was a very clever guy

Faheem Mitha

@JosephWright He was.

yo'

@FaheemMitha British suits better. The Scots have a very similar sense of humour. I really enjoyed this during my time in Paris, because the French have no sense of humour at all.

Faheem Mitha

1:24 PM

@yo' That's hard to believe (about the French).

yo'

@FaheemMitha compared to British or Czech humour, their is more a funeral. As well, they can't make fun of themselves, which makes any communication with them difficult.

Faheem Mitha

Though I once remarked publicly on U&L chat that I wasn't sure about Gilles' sense of humor. He was not happy. Gilles is French.

@yo' "more a funeral"?

yo'

@FaheemMitha it's difficult to distinguish a French joke from a funeral speech.

Faheem Mitha

Well, he bills himself as French. There is a school of thought that he may be an army of clones, a bot, or an alien.

@yo' I see. Example of a French joke, please. Preferably in translation.

yo'

@FaheemMitha I'm afraid I don't remember any. And the only things I find on google seem to be jokes on French, not by French.

Faheem Mitha

1:31 PM

@yo' Oh, ok. Never mind then.

yo'

even jokes you find on the internet in French and not French jokes, but rather jokes on French

Faheem Mitha

@yo' I assume there have been French humorists and comedians in the long history of France.

The creators of Asterix for example.

"These Romans are crazy". Etc. Etc.

yo'

yes, there are. But they don't really have jokes to tell each other at a party

Faheem Mitha

@yo' I think some French person should step up to defend the honour (and humor) of his country. Maybe I should invite Gilles here.

yo'

@FaheemMitha also, you can't take me 100% literally :D

Faheem Mitha

1:38 PM

BTW, I just discovered France was 3 times the size of England. I did not know that.

@yo' Can I take you 75% literally, then?

yo'

sure

Joseph Wright

2:16 PM

@FaheemMitha Reading help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests for a bit of insight :-)

egreg

2:30 PM

@FaheemMitha The Italian translator of Astérix discovered that he could use “Sono Pazzi Questi Romani” (Ils sont fous ce Romains), which matches the famous SPQR acronym of Rome: Senatus PopulusQue Romanus (the Senate and the People of Rome).

Faheem Mitha

3:30 PM

@egreg that's pretty clever.

@JosephWright How are you finding it? People say making pull requests via Github is not that convenient.

egreg

3:45 PM

@FaheemMitha He was a very good writer, by the way, with a great sense of humor.

Faheem Mitha

4:02 PM

@egreg Who was?

egreg

@FaheemMitha Marcello Marchesi.

@FaheemMitha See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterix#Humour

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha The only pull requests I've had to deal with at the 'receiver' end are for expl3: we can't take those anyway as the Git repo is simply a mirror

Faheem Mitha

4:25 PM

@JosephWright No, I meant making the pull requests. Accepting (or rejecting them) is easy.

@egreg I see.

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha It's not hard once you have your head around what branches you are talking about, basically you click on a button and it generates the request and contacts the maintainer of the upstream repro. I managed it with only a few days git experience:-)

Faheem Mitha

@DavidCarlisle I believe you. But I did try it once, and it seems a bit laborious.

And others have complained about it too.

David Carlisle

@FaheemMitha well it's git, would be simpler if it was svn:-)

Faheem Mitha

Is it really just one button? Must try it again. Maybe they improved the interface.

@DavidCarlisle Ha ha.

Joseph Wright

@FaheemMitha I've done that a few times with other people: no issues for me, but they were all simple

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@FaheemMitha Yes

Faheem Mitha

4:35 PM

@JosephWright yes, I guess it can become tricky if you want changes to the pull request.

Johannes_B

5:53 PM

@JosephWright Sorry, but i had to laugh about that. Unfortunately, some idiots in my hometown have set a (to be) refuge home on fire.

yo'

@DavidCarlisle indeed, but I got to like the git's three-phase (four-phase for pulls) procedure

Faheem Mitha

6:16 PM

@yo' four-phase?

yo'

@FaheemMitha add, commit, push, pull (pull request).

Faheem Mitha

@yo' why do you need a pull?

Well, I guess it depends on what you are doing.

yo'

@FaheemMitha if you forked to make changes in other people's repo, they'll have to do something to incorporate the changes. On github this is done by you creating a pull request.

Faheem Mitha

@yo' true

yo'

anyways, gotta go, see you later

hillbilly

7:04 PM

Hello

David Carlisle

@hillbilly hi

1010011010

7:31 PM

@FrankMittelbach You linked me to one of your algorithms "xo-float". There's .dtx file containing the algo in the repository but I don't see any .sty files. Does this mean you strongly discourage using the commands contained in that dir?

Or are they simply not made public because... well just because.

David Carlisle

@1010011010 like any dtx you can extract the sty by running tex on the ins file

Paulo Cereda

Ouch, I'm pretty sick. :)

1010011010

@DavidCarlisle Sure, but there's a reason the sty files aren't there right?

David Carlisle

@1010011010 not sure what you mean, most files aren't distributed ready extracted, longtable for example is just dtx and not sty in the svn sources and on ctan

Joseph Wright

@1010011010 .sty files are derived, .dtx are sources: you only check in sources :-)

@1010011010 xor is a bit odd as it's not part of the current experimental distribution but probably does deserve more use. I need @FrankMittelbach and @DavidCarlisle to concentrate a bit and get it properly working!

David Carlisle

7:38 PM

@JosephWright code should work before being released? Radical new policies being suggested...

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Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :-)

@DavidCarlisle You know what I mean ;-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes we should get that into a state people can try it at least..

1010011010

@DavidCarlisle So I'm going to run into a lot of errors if I try it now? :-)

David Carlisle

@1010011010 Not necessarily errors but it won't necessarily work as expected it's been a while since I really looked in depth at the code (10 years, probably) and the latex3 code has moved on a bit since, it did used to work though:-)

Joseph Wright

@1010011010 Code does work with the demo ('Oxford trial')

@1010011010 A lot of the work needed is in internal code style and comments (from FMi?) about paths that might not or do not work!

@DavidCarlisle I check periodically that the test passes: if it breaks we are in big trouble

David Carlisle

7:50 PM

@JosephWright yes, but tests passing an an OR being ready for real size documents aren't quite the same thing:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Certainly

@DavidCarlisle I mean that for the purpose of at least trying something the code will run: I don't say it will work properly

Joseph Wright

8:02 PM

Hello @PhilMolyneux

David Carlisle

8:14 PM

@JosephWright you scared him away

Paulo Cereda

I have breakbone fever. :(

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Eek

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Worst pain I have ever had. But I'm already recoverying. The worst has gone.

Stefan Kottwitz

@PauloCereda Oh, sorry to hear that! Nice to see that it gets better now.

Paulo Cereda

@StefanKottwitz Thanks. :) Brazil has a lot of reports right now.

@barbarabeeton, @AlanMunn: vimeo.com/63083013

Sean Allred

8:32 PM

@JosephWright I actually got your email as you sent it (at 4am local time last night) but I decided to wait until daybreak before responding :)

Joseph Wright

@SeanAllred :-)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Beautiful! Did you learn any new ones from it?

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Drat

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn I think I knew almost all of them. :)

yo'

10:23 PM

A Czech guy needs help with English cooking notions! :-(

Alan Munn

@yo' You?

yo'

@AlanMunn yep.

Alan Munn

@yo' What's the question?

yo'

> Heat oven to 160C/140C fan/gas 3. Line the tart with foil and fill with rice or dried beans. Bake for 10 mins, then remove the tart tin from the oven, discard the foil, and bake for another 20 mins until biscuity.

Do I really understand it correctly that I should put a plastic foil in 160C (320F) oven?

Alan Munn

No, aluminium foil.

yo'

10:27 PM

@AlanMunn ok, makes sense, thanks

I still don't understand the purpose of this step, but let's see /going to see if there's any rice in the house

Alan Munn

@yo' The purpose is to keep the bottom from bubbling up or getting out of shape at the beginning.

@yo' I use special ceramic pie weights for that. But rice or dried beans should work.

@yo' Here's a nice explanation about them: thekitchn.com/pie-weights-what-they-are-and-68946

yo'

@AlanMunn Thanks a lot! If you wanted some rep, you can answer my question on it on Seasoned Advice:

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Q: Filling tart with beans/rice for baking

I've found a recipe for a lemon tart: http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/380616/greggs-tangy-lemon-tart Everything looks fine to me and I get what to do exactly, but I don't understand the part that says: Line the tart with foil and fill with rice or dried beans. Bake for 10 mins, then disca...

baking oven tart

Alan Munn

@yo' I'll pass. There's a lot more qualified people on that site than me. :) It's also a duplicate. Naughty, naughty. :)

yo'

10:44 PM

@AlanMunn as long as people don't tag the questions appropriately and don't agree on terminology (pie/tart), there's little I can do. And it's also only half a duplicate.

Alan Munn

@yo' Yeah, the tagging is kind of crappy. They don't have a lockstep. But pies and tarts are different, although they both use pie crust. A tart is an uncovered pie, basically.

yo'

@AlanMunn So is this a tart or a pie? bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/380616/greggs-tangy-lemon-tart

Alan Munn

Definitely a tart. (No cover).

yo'

@AlanMunn I'm lost with "cover" probably

Alan Munn

@yo' In a typical pie, the crust is used to cover the filling as well as to form the base of the pie. In a tart, the crust is only on the bottom; there is never crust on the top.

yo'

10:52 PM

@AlanMunn ah ok

Alan Munn

@yo Unfortunately there are some things called 'pies' which are typically uncovered, Key Lime Pie, Lemon Meringue Pie and and similar types. But I don't think there are any covered tarts.

yo'

well, the Czech vocabulary is also very complicated: we have: dort, řez, koláč, buchta, and all these can have a very similar meaning.

Alan Munn

@yo' Google Translate thinks those are "cake", "slice", "cake" and "cake". Oops.

yo'

@AlanMunn ROFL

and "slice" very likely got there because "řez" is a very generic word, meaning also a slice (of various things, but not of bread), a cut, etc.

Alan Munn

@yo' But Alan-translate-via-google-images would translate 'dort' as "layer cake", 'koláč' as tart or possibly pie, and 'buchta' as "coffee cake". 'řez' returned no food on the first few pages...

@yo' But sprinkled through all the schematic drawings was a cake with two layers of chocolate cake and a layer of cream filling in the middle.

yo'

11:06 PM

@AlanMunn google.cz/… "řez" is "a cut" because it looks nicely when cut into pieces :)

anyways, the lemon thing is now on the tart and it's back in the oven. I'm gonna take a quick shower. thanks and laterz

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