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12:15 PM

_Is the following one a question for tex.stackexchang:_
I am interested in a printed version of the documentation [TikZ & PGF][1].

After a small discuss about this topic on the mailing list of the German LaTeX Community [DANTE e.V.][2] I want to inform you. (Maybe someone else is interested)

I contacted [H₂O Books][3](Taco Hoekwater) to make an offer.

Taco Hoekwater replied that I am not the first person who is interested in the manual. He make clear that one book can't handle so much pages, so it would have to be split up in two volumes.

Raphink

2:00 PM

@Marco how about printing it on lulu with a private project?

I've done that for manual PDFs before

Raphink

2:11 PM

hi @PauloCereda

Marco

@Raphink I don't know lulu. H2book is a project of ConTeXt (a little bit familiar)

Raphink

@Marco lulu is a print-on-demand system

you can upload your PDF there and get it printed

it will cost you roughly $10 for a 150 pages book

createspace or lightningsource let you print books, too

but they don't let you do that in private

you have to distribute them

so lulu might be more appripriate unless you have the right to sell the book

Marco

2:45 PM

@Raphink I tried it and the final price is 88,32€ ;-)

Raphink

2:58 PM

oh my

how big is it?

@Marco what options did you use?

@Marco oh, you tried in color

Marco

yes. the pgf manual should be printed in b/w

Raphink

color printing is very expensive

Andrew Stacey

6:31 PM

We're allowed to brag about our reputation here when it is an interesting number, right? In that case, I'd like to mention my reputation on Maths-SX. At time of posting, it is 1066.

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Paulo Cereda

@Raphink Oh hi (sorry for the delay!)

Andrey Vihrov

@AndrewStacey Is it interesting because it's a palindrome in base 3 representation?

Paulo Cereda

6:48 PM

Oh.

Andrew Stacey

@AndreyVihrov I'll give you a clue. It's historical, and is related to the country I was born in and the country I'm now living in.

Andrey Vihrov

@AndrewStacey This is more than enough for a clue :-)

Paulo Cereda

(Save me, Wikipedia)

Paulo Cereda

8:14 PM

Yay, I wrote my first \whiledo loop!

Andrey Vihrov

@PauloCereda Now implement a while loop!

Paulo Cereda

@AndreyVihrov hehe take it easy, I'm still in the learning process. =)

I still think of catcodes as a feline plot to take over the world.

Paulo Cereda

9:06 PM

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Yay!

Alan Munn

9:21 PM

@AndrewStacey 1066 and All That?

Raphink

10:31 PM

Hastings?

afair

hmm, that's between France and GB afair

that's all I know that happened in 1066 :'(

egreg

@Raphink That's when France started to become a property of the English kings. :) Which they didn't succeed to accomplish.

Raphink

errr no

that's when the Normands (from France) began conquering England

Paulo Cereda

Oh, I fail at european history (amongst other things).

Raphink

the Britons conquering France was 4 centuries later, at the time of Joan of Arc

Hastings is when Guillaume le Conquérant got to seed some French words into English, like theatre :-)

@PauloCereda I fail at American history if that makes you feel better

I'm French, so Hastings is kind of mandatory to know

Paulo Cereda

Cool!

Andrew is probably pointing out something between GB and Norway.

egreg

10:39 PM

@Raphink I said "started to become". Henry II Plantagenet, in the 12th century, married Eleanor, so bringing Aquitaine to the English kingdom.

Raphink

ok

;)

egreg

@PauloCereda We know almost nothing about Brazil history. Only that Garibaldi fought against Brazil for some time.

Raphink

well there, you know something @egreg

;)

I was almost born in Brazil, but that doesn't make history

egreg

@Raphink How can one be "almost born" somewhere? :)

Raphink

@egreg my mom was pregnant of me and chose to come back to France to give birth

so had she not been able to come back, I would have been born there ;-)

listetypo.free.fr/meron/new/Guilles.pdf

p. 12, the marginpar notes overflow in the bottom of the page

how could this be done in TeX?

Paulo Cereda

10:44 PM

@egreg Cool! Garibaldi lived in Brazil and fought the Guerra dos Farrapos, in Rio Grande do Sul and Santa Catarina. And he married Ana Maria. =)

That's the only thing I remember. =P

Raphink

:)

@PauloCereda you who cares about good names, what would you call a program to run unit tests on configuration files, checking their syntax and parameters?

@PauloCereda so far, my boss chose to call it "Deputy", but I'd love to find a better name ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@Raphink hm I like the approach, let me think.

@Raphink hehe

Raphink

the code is there if you like the approach github.com/raphink/config-augeas-validator

egreg

@PauloCereda Well, I remember it now, because I recently read a book about Garibaldi; I studied about him at school, but it was so many years ago! :(

Paulo Cereda

@Raphink: houston, checkcfg, confsquealer ...

Raphink

10:52 PM

houston?

Paulo Cereda

we have a problem.

=P

Raphink

haha

Paulo Cereda

in our configuration file...

=P

Raphink

bonus point for finding a link with augeas

Paulo Cereda

:-)

Raphink

10:54 PM

maybe if someone had checked the augeas' stables before hercules cleaned them

the name of such a guy would be proper

Paulo Cereda

nice!

some greek/roman name.

Raphink

Eurystheas is the one who told Hercules to go clean the stables

but that makes for a complex name for a program

Phyleus, Augeas' son, was also witness of the mess

Paulo Cereda

@egreg I can't remember most of Brazil's historic references, probably only 7th sept (independence day) and 15th nov (republic day). I was bad at history in school. =(

hera

a woman's name

Raphink

yes, but it doesn't have to do with augeas

Paulo Cereda

oh true

Raphink

11:02 PM

I think phyleus could do

I mean, Phyleus wasn't the owner of the flock, he was just the son

so he witnessed of the mess, he could point it out, but he didn't actually do anything about it either

Paulo Cereda

cool

easy to spell

Raphink

he could just say: hey, it's messy here

egreg

@PauloCereda So was I. In my final three school years, the history teacher was also teaching philosophy; since I was good in the latter, he didn't bother if I didn't study the former.

Raphink

haha

Paulo Cereda

@Raphink epic line!

Raphink

11:05 PM

speckyboy.com/2010/02/24/…

speckyboy.com/2011/09/08/…

if anyone's interested

egreg

@Raphink "Distinctive headlines". True: ugly is quite distinctive.

Raphink

@egreg sorry?

egreg

@Raphink The 20 fonts in the first page you mention are terrible.

Raphink

oh that

egreg

They are for "distinctive headlines", the title says.

Raphink

11:10 PM

oh, not all

Fertigo is ok, and so is Museo

depends on your needs

I'm going to use RBNo2 for a cover, too

as a counterpart to Tulpen One

wouldn't use it for the text for sure

Raphink

11:22 PM

I like Exlijbris fonts

Calluna is nice, too

exljbris.com/calluna.html

Paulo Cereda

I like the ligatures.

Raphink

what's specific about Calluna is the angled serifs

which give it a kind of dynamic

Paulo Cereda

:-)

I can't think of any ligatures in Portuguese.

Only "fi", I guess.

Paulo Cereda

11:39 PM

Ah, some answers are really funny:

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You can use a book or stack of papers to make one of the monitors sit higher, thats how I do the fine adjustment when I am getting my monitors setup. Before: XXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXX X X X X XWWWW X X WWWX X W X X Mon1 W X XWWWW X X ...

egreg

@PauloCereda No "ff" and "fl"?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Oh I forgot "fl", but no "ff".

egreg

We have lots of "ff" and "ffi"; some "ffl", also: "affliggere" (afflict, in English); actually "fl" is not very common, but it exists in words borrowed again from Latin after the language had already evolved into "ancient" Italian, mostly starting from the 15th century.

Paulo Cereda

11:57 PM

Interesting. Though Portuguese is a Latin-based language, we have few "double letters", only "rr" like in "carro" (car) and "ss" like in "pássaro" (bird). Now that you mentioned, we have "fi", like "final" (end), and "fli", like "afligir" (afflict).

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