TeX, LaTeX and Friends

tohecz

7:10 AM

moew

egreg

@tohecz Foggy morning here. :(

tohecz

@egreg It's sunny here, but I'm quite sleepy. I went to bed at 0:40, woke up at 1:10, and decided to do something since I was unable to sleep. Now it pays off :(

@egreg and moreover, I've got to use a bad LaTeX template for a while, which sucks :(

egreg

@tohecz Much worse than sleep deprivation.

tohecz

@egreg yep. It sucks if a quite top-level bunch of journals uses so bad stuff :( In the manual, eqnarray* is mentioned, but not with the warning not to use it :(

Johannes_B

status update from saxony: no fog, no sun, but lots of clouds

Good morning and meow to all :-)

tohecz

7:19 AM

@Johannes_B hello :)

Serthy

Good Morning from saxony too :-)

tohecz

@egreg you really recommend using \colon in \delta \colon A\to B, x\mapsto x' ?

egreg

@tohecz I only use \colon in that context.

tohecz

@egreg ok. And the 2nd thing: thin spaces in X=\{\, x\in A : x<1 \,\} ?

egreg

@tohecz Knuth recommends it; I usually comply.

tohecz

7:24 AM

@egreg even in this case? (gimme a minute please)

egreg

@tohecz But \colon instead of : has a very precise objective (not making the colon into a relation symbol); the thin space is optional, provided the usage is consistent.

tohecz

^^ I know you wouldn't make the outer () and \{\} big, but it doesn't change the fact that this looks ... odd to me

Serthy

what is this quirky 2 for a sign? :o

tohecz

@Serthy what? you mean \mathcal{Q}? :)

egreg

@tohecz It looks odd because of the alignment to = that hides the main part, that is the names of the sets. I guess a \left \right are being used, so you get two thin spaces between { and (.

@tohecz Train arriving in two minutes. See you later.

Serthy

7:29 AM

@tohecz yes that thing, thanks

tohecz

@egreg no, there is no \left\right

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda Should've thought of that! Thanks :-)

Johannes_B

@Serthy A fellow saxon who doesn't recognize a Q?

Serthy

well, you got me

Johannes_B

»In PSTricks we trust«
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Nicola Talbot

7:55 AM

@PauloCereda That works, thanks :-)

tohecz

9:14 AM

@egreg And do you put any spaces in \{0,1,\dots,b-1\} ?

@JosephWright one for you I suppose: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/207060/siunitx-celsius-font

egreg

9:34 AM

@tohecz No.

tohecz

9:50 AM

@egreg ok, thanks

David Carlisle

10:44 AM

@Johannes_B (s)he's currently spending bounty on a very worthy cause

barznjy

I am using Texmaker editor. On the (Source Viewer) window when I want to jump to the editor side, it does not work with me, (by doing right click then “Click to jump to the line Ctrl+Click”).
How I can make this command work with me?

percusse

11:27 AM

@Jake Do you know how to upsample data in a convenient way? I created a colormap and used it on the addplot color based on sign question. But it keeps track of the last known point (obviously). Do you have any ideas on that? Here is some code

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{pgfplots}
\pgfplotsset{compat=1.11}
\pgfplotsset{
colormap={binary}{[1pt] color(0pt)=(red); color(60pt)=(red); color(61pt)=(blue); color(150pt)=(blue)}
}
\pgfplotstableread{
-3.5 nan
-3.375 nan
-3.25 nan
-3.125 0.000121769833828
-3.0 0.000901599938148
-2.875 0.0014834598325
-2.625 0.00588102803508
-2.25 0.0720113632674
-2.125 0.0314393757219
-1.875 0.0306933267171
-1.75 0.07029144932
-1.375 -0.0342012822215
-1.125 -0.0171975784671
-0.75 -0.0405296273749
-0.625 -0.0330713662613

Paulo Cereda

12:22 PM

Input: \* repeat (\@10@\,\xnax\)*\ batman!
Output: nananananananananana batman!

@egreg: my epic macro expander. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda It seems very useful! :P

Paulo Cereda

@egreg :P

Johannes_B

@JosephWright @ChristianHupfer Do you guys understand the request? latex-community.org/forum/…

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B No

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Use my macro expander, it's easy. :)

Paulo Cereda

12:42 PM

\# define (\@\xgreet(\ynamey\)\x=\wHello \ynamey\!w\@\)#\ \%greet(\aegrega\)%\
Hello egreg!

@egreg: ^^ see how easy it is. :)

Christian Hupfer

12:59 PM

@Johannes_B: Sorry, no

tohecz

1:16 PM

When a number of an issue is 3-4, shouldn't it be typeset as 3--4? Because MathSciNet gives 3-4 which surprises me ...

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda l3 syntax would be more readable

@tohecz if you're typesetting yes, but if you also want to put the range into some search tool, (or it came from there) a single ascii - might be easier to manage than an endash or two --

tohecz

@DavidCarlisle well, the BibTeX export could deal with that correctly :)

Serthy

1:35 PM

what could be possible fail when this does not work? pdflatex -aux-directory="C:/temp" -output-directory="C:/temp" (seems that these flags were ignored)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle You are advocating for L3? Wow. :)

@JosephWright: ^^ :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I'm a member of the team (although I've more badges for tikz)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle <3

Johannes_B

@Serthy My advice, leave the auxiliary files where they are. As soon as they are moved to another location, something will complain not to find them.

Serthy

Mhh, the problem is I have to work on a server from now on and it takes 300% of the time now to generate a pdf. Does it help if I wouldn't delete all output files after a pdf is generated?

Johannes_B

1:46 PM

@Serthy Little hint: adress people by adding the @-sign in front of their names (you can tab-complete).

@Serthy LaTeX needs those auxiliary files in the next run (to get a toc/lof/lot ...).

@Serthy There are tools like latexmk or arara that can compile the document with the needed steps (one call of arara can lead to multiple calls of latex) and later clean the directory.

Momo Th

2:06 PM

Hellllo

i need help drawing a Koaxial cabel. who can help me?

tohecz

@MomoTh 'lo!

Momo Th

i need help drawing a Koaxial cabel. who can help me?

Johannes_B

@MomoTh You posted the question. You can improve it by making the code to a complete and compilable working example.

Momo Th

i posted i tried i improve every time but i need help... i have to give my documentation tomorow but this cable isn't ready... please

tohecz

@MomoTh oh I have seen the question. Well, it quite fits into the category "do it for me". The point is, we can "do it for you", but this way, you don't learn anything, and that's something we don't like.

Johannes_B

2:09 PM

@MomoTh But the important thing is to be patient. An answer takes time.

Momo Th

it's not do it for me... i tried 1 Week and i read every thing tried tried tried but no solutions...

Johannes_B

@MomoTh If the deadline is that near, two questions:
1. Why are you coming up with this now?
2. Can't you just include the picture in your document?

Momo Th

that's why i m here in chate

tohecz

@MomoTh well, in all honesty, is there any difference between somebody drawing the cable for you, or you taking this wikicommons CC-BY-3.0-licensed (i.e. free to use) picture? commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Coaxial_cable_cutaway.svg

Momo Th

i will include the picture... but i tried 1 Week with TIKZ and the bes what i could do i posted it... i wann do it on my self thats why

dude i wanna the picture like that to learn from it!

ofc i will do later my own cables!

tohecz

2:12 PM

@MomoTh Well, a starting point for you then could be something here: texample.net/tikz/examples

Momo Th

i just wanna know how to do this Cylinders and how to fill them how to cut a piece... it is not what i will put in my documentation

i tried in 1 Week all i saw all i asked all... but my friends my teacher and a lot of people couldn't help me... that's why i m here

do you understand the point?

the picture from wiki is just an example... do you wanna see what i wanna draw??? you will not believe it :D

Johannes_B

@MomoTh So the question is »How can i draw cylinders?«

Momo Th

not really

this is my Cylinder

\tikzset{Cylin/.style={cylinder, draw, cylinder uses custom fill,
cylinder end fill = black, cylinder body fill = black, minimum height =3cm,
minimum width = 4cm, opacity = 1, aspect = 2.5}}
\node[Cylin] (#3) at (#1,#2) {};
}

the problem if i have a lot of Cylinder how can i cut fill ... it mus be real

how can i see it really 3 D

tohecz

@MomoTh I do understand your point. However, understand that you won't really learn anything if we give you the solution straight. You need to get to learn the techniques.

@MomoTh there are true 3d tools for TikZ, but I'm sorry, I don't really know them :(

Momo Th

Mannn... i need the solution to learn from it

Christian Hupfer

2:16 PM

@Johannes_B: Elternabend ... wenig Zeit für TeX.SX :-(

Momo Th

hhhh na ja ned wirklich

kannst du mir mal helfen?

Johannes_B

@MomoTh As i said before, you need to be patient.

Momo Th

spar dir diesen Kommentare bitte

Johannes_B

@MomoTh There are a couple of guys here (maybe ten or twenty) that will take up this task. Not everyone uses TikZ or PSTricks.

@MomoTh you can edit your last message by pressing the up-arrow ↑

Momo Th

i m waiting... its important to me to learn this cauz i spent one week trying

thanks

tohecz

2:20 PM

@MomoTh well, I think that now you need to turn your code into a full minimal example, then you'll quite likely get a helping hand. But as @Johannes_B says, it may take some time. And in general, we aren't really happy with people saying "I need this and that quick please", which is exactly how your question originally looked like.

Momo Th

@tohecz can you please stop complaining??? i dont really care if you are happy or not! i need help if you can help than do it if not than be quite please

Paul Paulsen

Hi everybody! I got another one of those pgfplots "Dimension too large" questions... I read about 15 questions and answer about the topic, but I really cannot find the problem. Should I still ask this as a question or look for another place to find help?

tohecz

@MomoTh well, you may not care if I am happy, but I suppose that you care if all the other people that are able to help are happy and willing to help. Period.

Momo Th

@tohecz i dont care if you or the other people are happy or not. every one is some times happy some times sad! i m sad now i need help if you help me i would be happy if not i will be happy too cauz i tried my best! you are maybe sad now cauz i need help but you will be happy dont worry

Johannes_B

@PaulPaulsen Did you check if you acciddentaly run towards infinity at some point?

@PaulPaulsen Try to play around with the domain a bit, the pgf internals round some numbers a bit strange.

Paul Paulsen

2:31 PM

@Johannes_B I wouldn´t know where. I don´t do any calculations (pgfplots sure does, but I don´t tell it explicitly). All the axis limits and data points look right...

@Johannes_B I also tried "restrict x to domain"

Momo Th

bye guys see you and thanks

tohecz

@MomoTh Sorry, I was just trying to give a well-meant honest advice. If you don't want my advice, it's your choice. But by not listening to it, I don't think you get any progress. (And this is my last message to that, this discussion starts to be pointless and it's on the edge of a troll.)

@PaulPaulsen Well, you can get this for some divisions. It's very difficult and almost impossible to debug, and it's one of the few things that make pgf a bad engine... :-/

Paul Paulsen

I know my number range is touching, well, sensitive domains. But I successfully compiled a lot of similar figures...

I have [xmin=735784.474, xmax=735784.635] :/

Johannes_B

@PaulPaulsen Please have a look at texwelt.de/wissen/fragen/2364/…

tohecz

@PaulPaulsen have you considered simply re-scaling the numbers by 1000?

Paul Paulsen

2:38 PM

@tohecz Making them bigger or smaller? Because if I make them smaller, the relative differences between the data points probably get to small, don´t they?

tohecz

@PaulPaulsen ah damn, I didn't notice that the range is actually so short! Well, that's the problem. Then: have you tried shifting the data to be around zero? If that works, then the question is only: how to print the labels correctly ;)

Johannes_B

@PaulPaulsen This is an interesting problem. You should prepare a thoughtful minimal example and ask a question on the main site. It might be helpful to other users.

Paul Paulsen

@Johannes_B I will prepare one.

@tohecz I will try this later

tohecz

@PaulPaulsen well, it's just an idea, coming from the fact that the problem here probably is that the ratio <step in the graph> : <the absolute position> is a technical 0 in pgf.

Paul Paulsen

3:00 PM

@tohecz When I strip the first part of the numbers, so they result in 0.xxxx it works. So probably the numberyou suggested exceeds the upper limit of TeX.

I will post they question, if you want to answer it please feel free to do so. Otherwise I will add a wiki-answer later.

tohecz

@PaulPaulsen I won't answer it. I think that the true question is: "How to re-add the prefix 735784 later?"

Paul Paulsen

@tohecz Well, you could see that as a part of the answer ;)

Johannes_B

@PaulPaulsen
It should be noted that all calculations must not exceed ±16383.99999 at any point, because the underlying computations rely on TeX dimensions.

@PaulPaulsen So jap, the number is too large. But i am with @tohecz that relabeling the axis is the interesting part.

tohecz

@Johannes_B the @ doesn't work in multi-line messages :) @Paul

Johannes_B

@tohecz Thanks, good to know :-)

Paul Paulsen

3:06 PM

@tohecz It did for me ;)

@Johannes_B But I think an answer suggesting to change the datapoints should also adress this. In my case its not that hard, because I label them manually...

Probably x coord trafo or x coord inv trafo are the things to look for, since they also should take care of the ticks...

Johannes_B

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Q: "Dimension too large" while working with serial date numbers

I export plots using matlab2tikz and pgfplots from MATLAB to TeX. Most of my plots contain "serial date numbers", which are the days since January 0, 0000. As you can guess, the numbers get quite high, and the difference between the data points is relatively small. The following sample raises a ...

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz I got the ping. :)

tohecz

3:21 PM

@PauloCereda oh my :)

Paul Gessler

@PauloCereda @tohecz so did I! :-)

Paulo Cereda

@PaulGessler ooh this is getting interesting!

Paul Paulsen

I tried \pgfplotsset{
x coord trafo/.code={\pgfmathparse{#1-735784.4}\pgfmathresult}}

and I got some result that looks better, but it still raises the "Dimension too large" error.

Joseph Wright

@PaulPaulsen Use a different FPU?

Paul Paulsen

@JosephWright FPU?

Johannes_B

3:28 PM

@PaulPaulsen Floating point unit

@JosephWright @ChristianHupfer News: latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=25237

Paul Paulsen

Hm, the problem seems to be the x-limits and the xtick-positions. If I remove both, it gets plotted right (but with bad labeling).
However, if I leave them (both for the original values and manually transformed ones), I get the error.

I also tried some different numbers...

Johannes_B

@DavidCarlisle Would you recommend to use package blkarray?

Gregory

I'm having issues with the exam class and the package newicktree. For some reason, tree's aren't positioned correctly on the page when they're within the solution environment. See MWE here if you feel like poking at it: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/207131/…

Johannes_B

3:47 PM

@Gregory Leave a blank line to start a new paragraph.

Gregory

@Johannes_B That did it; thanks!

Paul Paulsen

@Johannes_B
I posted a first answer. Still couldn´t find a solution for limits and labels, though

Gregory

@Johannes_B If you'll post an answer I'll accept it, or I can post the answer myself. Up to you.

Johannes_B

@Gregory You can post an answer.

@DavidCarlisle Looking at lines 10/11 of blkarray.sty answers my question ;-)

cis

4:02 PM

@DavidCarlisle Hey, blkarray.sty --> very cute package, easy to use (in most cases) - are there some updates planed? EDIT: Oh..... double-post: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/18148387#18148387 ;)

Paul Paulsen

Ok, I will leave. Thanks for the help, @Johannes_B and @tohecz ! Maybe I can update the question soon.

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B I wrote it over a couple of weekends last millennium, I think it does something, but I'm not sure what:-)

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cis

Andrew Cashner

@egreg Just saw your response to my comment. Apparently I don't the first thing about LaTeX. What should I be doing instead of \setlength{\parskip}{0pt}?

cis

\documentclass[12pt,a4paper,twoside]{report}
\usepackage{amsmath, amssymb, amsthm, dsfont}

\usepackage{blkarray}

\begin{document}

$
a =
\begin{blockarray}{ccccccc}
 & * & * & * & * & * \\
\begin{block}{c(ccccc)c}
  * & a_{11} & * & * & * & * & * \\
  * & a_{21} & * & * & * & * & * \\
  * & \vdots & \vdots & \vdots & \vdots & \vdots & \vdots \\
  * & a_{i1} & * & * & * & * & \leftarrow i\textbf{-te Zeile}\\
  * & \vdots & \vdots & \vdots & \vdots & \vdots & \vdots \\
  * & a_{n1} & * & * & * & * & * \\

egreg

4:13 PM

@AndrewCashner The usual value is 0pt plus 0.1pt

cis

@DavidCarlisle This works very finde - super package

David Carlisle

@cis I'm always surprised if people get output from one of my packages.

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Johannes_B

@cis That should answer something ;-) chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/18148820#18148820

cis

@DavidCarlisle So, I am sure there will come an updatet version in the future ;)

David Carlisle

@cis well in the end we just get @JosephWright to implement it in LaTeX3

Andrew Cashner

4:16 PM

@egreg If I'd read your other comment more carefully, I would have seen that. Sorry, and thanks. Will try to go actually learn something.

@egreg I'll delete my comment

Joseph Wright

4:48 PM

@DavidCarlisle Probably

@DavidCarlisle Or Bruno

David Carlisle

@JosephWright or even me:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle xor

David Carlisle

@JosephWright oh yes, that

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle Will you make UK-TUG 2014?

David Carlisle

@JosephWright not sure yet, will let you know

Joseph Wright

5:02 PM

@DavidCarlisle OK

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle You could talk about Fortran. :)

@JosephWright: Prod Nicola to talk about her new book and arara. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda I'll ask her if she's coming when I next see her

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright :)

@JosephWright: Where will the meeting take place this time?

David Carlisle

5:38 PM

@PauloCereda or python

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Heavens no. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Oxford: same place you presented

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright ooh how nice! :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda UK gvt is getting all secondary schools to teach a "text based programming language such as python" which means that most of them seem to be using python (new cs curriculum starting this year at all age levels)

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright: How many keynotes so far?

@DavidCarlisle Dear Lord. I've seem some CS curriculum stuff being applied to Brazilian universities and IMHO it's quite atrocious.

Courses like compiler construction is totally removed from the schedule.

Joseph Wright

5:43 PM

@PauloCereda Erm, one

Paulo Cereda

They are also ripping theory apart.

@JosephWright Oopsie.

Poke me if you need help.

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda I'm sure we'd welcome an update via Skype

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda well previously "ICT" had become more or less "Word and powerpoint" so it's got renamed back to CS and a requirement to teach some coding, python's not so bad, probably

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Indeed. I quite love mocking Python. :) What worries me is that a lot of important concepts get lost in the process.

@David: speaking of which, I will try to take a picture for you in my trip to SP this Friday. I'm sure you will love it.

Henri Menke

7:04 PM

Hello everybody :)

tohecz

@HenriMenke hi there

Henri Menke

Another expl3 question from my side. I'm trying to implement a macro for easy typesetting of tensors in relativity. My thought was to use \tl_replace_all:Nnn to replace all the ^ and _.

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{xparse}
\ExplSyntaxOn
\cs_new_protected:Npn \tens_format:nn #1#2
 {
  \tl_set:Nn \l_tmpa_tl { #2 }
  \tl_replace_all:Nnn \l_tmpa_tl { ^ } { \vphantom{#1}^ }
  \tl_replace_all:Nnn \l_tmpa_tl { _ } { \vphantom{#1}_ }
  \tl_put_left:Nn \l_tmpa_tl { #1 }
  \tl_use:N \l_tmpa_tl
 }

\NewDocumentCommand \tens { m m }
 {
  \tens_format:nn { #1 } { #2 }
 }
\ExplSyntaxOff
\begin{document}
$\tens{\Gamma}{^\mu^\nu^\gamma_\eta_\rho^\alpha}$
\end{document}

But apparently the second \tl_replace_all:Nnn doesn't do anything.

I get double subscript error.

Okay, it's because of the search string being _. Everything else get's replaced as expected. But I still don't know how to resolve this.

tohecz

@HenriMenke ah, yeah, well, the problem is catcodes, I know a LaTeX2e solution to this, but that's not something you want

Momo Th

@tohecz Sorry! you are right... i had just a bad day! i m sorry

tohecz

7:19 PM

@MomoTh No worries really, apologies accepted :)

Momo Th

@tohecz are you actually a moderator or a simple friend here :D

tohecz

@MomoTh I'm just one of the folks here

Momo Th

@tohecz i like you!!!! you are so nice

@tohecz and by the way: a simple quastion: do you know what is that: \documentclass[border=5pt]{standalone}

tohecz

hint: moderators (from all sites) have their name in blue here, and they have a diamond next to their name in the site itself

Joseph Wright

@HenriMenke We've not got a good interface for this sort of thing yet, so

\group_begin:
\char_set_lccode:nn { `\@ } { `\_ }
\char_set_catcode_math_subscript:n { `\@ }
\tl_to_lowercase:n
  {
    \group_end:
    \cs_new_protected:Npn \tens_format:nn #1#2
     {
      \tl_set:Nn \l_tmpa_tl { #2 }
      \tl_replace_all:Nnn \l_tmpa_tl { ^ } { \vphantom{#1}^ }
      \tl_replace_all:Nnn \l_tmpa_tl { @ } { \vphantom{#1}@ }
      \tl_put_left:Nn \l_tmpa_tl { #1 }
      \tl_use:N \l_tmpa_tl
     }
 }

tohecz

7:21 PM

@MomoTh yep. Standalone creates a "standalone thing", like a drawing, formula or whatever. And border=5pt means that the resulting document (PDF usually) will be just 5pt larger than the contents

Joseph Wright

@MomoTh I, on the other hand, am a mod :-)

tohecz

@JosephWright ah yeah, the l3 interface to g'dol' tricks :D

@JosephWright and he's blue :) @MomoTh

Momo Th

@tohecz coool... hello friends

Joseph Wright

@MomoTh Hello

@tohecz Indeed: we want a better set up for this, it's just that we can't quite agree on the plan!

Momo Th

@tohecz did you see the answer of my quasion? he helped me to draw my cylinder. but i can just put it in apdf alone(\documentclass[]{standalone}). can i put the picture on my document

Henri Menke

7:24 PM

@JosephWright Thank you very much! But isn't that just the \lccode trick in expl3 syntax?

Joseph Wright

@HenriMenke Yes

@HenriMenke We have plans to wrap it up in a better interface

@HenriMenke There is no good way to avoid this in some places in TeX

Henri Menke

@JosephWright And maybe change the documentation, because for \tl_replace_all:Nnn it says that only catcodes 1 ({), 2 (}) and 6 (#) won't work, but apparently that's not true.

Joseph Wright

@HenriMenke No, that is quite true

Henri Menke

@JosephWright But why didn't it work for catcode 8 (_) in my example then?

Joseph Wright

@HenriMenke The issue is that as set up your _ has catcode 11, but you are presumably searching for catcode 8 tokens

@HenriMenke Remember expl3 uses _ as a 'letter'

@HenriMenke If you arrange to pass _ as a catcode 8 token to \tl_replace_all:Nnn it works fine (which is what the lowercase trick does)

Henri Menke

7:29 PM

@JosephWright Oh god, how could I forget that! I'm using it all the time. Aarg!

Momo Th