TeX, LaTeX and Friends

David Carlisle

12:12 AM

@tohecz nag.co.uk/numeric/fl/nagdoc_fl24/html/C09/c09intro.html

tohecz

Doesn't quite work on my very old Firefox. Anyways, I really have to go. Night!

David Carlisle

@tohecz we generate that (fortran) doc in html and pdf and the C and matlab and .NET versions and the code for the C library and the matlab toolbox, all from the same XML file

@tohecz night

Speravir

12:29 AM

@tohecz (To give feedback:) But works on Firefox 27.0. Your example document you linked above, too, BTW. avid surely knows more exactly, what works in which browser and version and what doesn’t.

David Carlisle

1:00 AM

@Speravir it should work in firefox 0.x actually, but you need fonts (different fonts for different versions of firefox)

Speravir

@DavidCarlisle O ha.

David Carlisle

@Speravir up to firefox 3 it used TeX (or mathematica) fonts and had built in knowledge of the tex encodings, but as uniocde math fonts became available they got rid of that and use unicode which makes far more sense in a css context

Speravir

@DavidCarlisle But one must have a font with math symbols selected it seems as long as there is nothing prescripted by a css.

David Carlisle

1:27 AM

@Speravir yes old firefox it had to be tex fonts and it would pop up a banner telling you where to get them, now it can be stix or any other unicode math font. I could use web fonts but not quite ready for that (and many of our clients are not on the web:-)

Speravir

1:38 AM

@DavidCarlisle And where do I set them up? Simply as font for western script or what then? A special math setting does not exist, at least in FF27 (I do not use these nightly versions).

Canageek

1:50 AM

Can pgfplots read data that is in scientific notation?

David Carlisle

2:13 AM

@Speravir just need to be installed. developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/MathML_Project/Fonts

Canageek

Yes it can

Now I just need to get it from 'This works' to 'This doesn't look totally pants'

Sadly, I think making it look good may involve learning pdfplots, which is scary

Speravir

@DavidCarlisle Hmm. The test page they offer does show here a perfect grid, tohecz's linked pages did show me maths equations, and iirc you once provided a heavy test page, which I believe looked good here. So seems no need here, but looks a bit like dark matter in firefox, why I do not know which font is actually used.

David Carlisle

@Speravir right click on any of the math and select "inspect element" browse down to an mi and see what font it says recent firefox uses mathjax fonts(my FF30 says MathJax_main_italic) on my C09 document I linked to above.

Speravir

2:34 AM

@DavidCarlisle Aah, the developer tools … Not thought of, since as ordinary user I generally do not need them. Well, nothing with "MathJax" here, but STIX fonts as installed system font. What I said: a bit of dark matter, because I cannot influence this in Firefox settings (not that I must complain about STIX, though).

Speravir

2:53 AM

@DavidCarlisle I see now, I do not have the latest version installed.

Nasser

5:05 AM

@egreg @DavidCarlisle I have found the problem with images being cut/off. It has nothing to do with the images. It turned out I had written few pages before in the same document the following

\samepage{some text ...... }

the above seems to have confused Latex and it lost its way. When I removed the \samepage command, everything became fine and things did not fall off the bottom the pages any more.

Brent.Longborough

5:23 AM

The BBC has discovered @egreg

Paulo Cereda

8:29 AM

Good morning! :)

Johannes_B

8:39 AM

Johannes_B

9:04 AM

@PauloCereda Good Morning

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B 'ello! :)

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda isn't it night in Brazil?

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B 7AM right now. :)

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda Now i am confused. Only 3 hours difference?

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B Yep, we are in the daylight saving thingy. :)

Johannes_B

9:11 AM

@PauloCereda Saving Daylight? But what about Batman?

Paulo Cereda

@Johannes_B Oh my! :) Our Batman probably has imnsonia. :)

David Carlisle

9:34 AM

@Nasser why say latex is confused? It is just as I said at the time:

22 hours ago, by David Carlisle

@Nasser latex will do what you tell it to do,

@Nasser samepage is an environment, if you do \samepage you are telling latex to put the rest of the document on the same page.

@PauloCereda I went to see a film with batman in at the weekend.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh which one?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda vvv

image upload not working:(

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Ah Lego Batman!

:)

egreg

10:52 AM

@PauloCereda So you waited for the bounty before answering! You cheater! ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg To be honest, I forgot about the question. :) I know it's a shame, I don't follow arara, or I would have to answer! If I don't know the existence of a question, I don't need to answer it, right? :P

@egreg: thankfully I answer that question in time. :) I was wondering if David would try to get that bounty. :)

tohecz

11:38 AM

Wanna get 800 votes in 2 days? Start your answer with I'm a security engineer at Facebook and this is my fault.

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884

A: How does Facebook disable browser's integrated Developer Tools?

I'm a security engineer at Facebook and this is my fault. We're testing this for some users to see if it can slow down some attacks where users are tricked into pasting (malicious) javascript into the browser console. Just to be clear: trying to block hackers client-side is a bad idea in general...

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz LOL

Christoph

12:12 PM

@tohecz I'm tempted to try exactly that on a totally different SE site, just to see if it works.

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/152033/… :)

Christoph

@PauloCereda please also link to the SX answer where plan B originally came from, otherwise people won't understand the joke I'm afraid..

Paulo Cereda

@Christoph Good plan. :)

@Christoph Done, thanks. :)

Christoph

Let the games begin! tex.stackexchange.com/questions/158668/…

Yup, there's already one more upvote. Amazing!

Paulo Cereda

12:28 PM

@Christoph Woohoo!

@Christoph It's actually per Tom, not me. :)

Christoph

@PauloCereda @tohecz Argh, I'll fix that immediately.

Paulo Cereda

@Christoph Great answer by the way, I'll upvote it ASAP. :) I'm out of votes right now. :)

tohecz

@Christoph I won't upvote yours because I don't vote in that thread, but needed to say that it's cool

Christoph

@PauloCereda thanks! @tohecz no problem - I'm not really sure if my diagram belongs in an illustration contest anyway

Paulo Cereda

@Christoph Speaking of which, that's a high class diagram.

Christoph

12:39 PM

It's the fruit of procrastination! I had more important things to do, that's why it turned out that way.

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Stephan Lehmke

1:10 PM

@Christoph The story of my life :-)

Paulo Cereda

@StephanLehmke LOL

I think we all relate to that somehow. :)

Stephan Lehmke

@PauloCereda The trick is to make said fruits into a full-time job :-)

Christoph

@StephanLehmke no don't! As soon as they're top priority, they won't turn out as good anymore. That's the whole point of procrastination imho.

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Paulo Cereda

@StephanLehmke ooh! :)

Paul Gessler

@Christoph exactly!

Paulo Cereda

1:21 PM

I'm up all night to get TeXy.

N3buchadnezzar

Heya

Paulo Cereda

@N3buchadnezzar Wazzup

N3buchadnezzar

Math and things =)

There?

Paulo Cereda

Oh :)

N3buchadnezzar

I've seen a few discussions about forcing placement for figures and tables

eg \figure[htbp] or even worse \figure[H], I can understand why the second one is bad. But why is the first one bad?

With just writing \begin{figure} ... Latex always seems to place my figures at the top of pages, which does not always looks good.

Gorchestopher H

1:39 PM

I'm not a user of TeX or LaTeX yet, but I'm finding I need to create more and more complicated diagrams and excel / powerpoint / whiteboard are simply not cutting it... If I need to make scientific diagrams, what is the best way to get started?

Torbjørn T.

@GorchestopherH Plots of data, or schematic illustrations etc.? Do you want to program your diagrams or do it in a GUI?

Gorchestopher H

@TorbjørnT. I don't imagine any of the GUIs are very mature, so I'm fine with programming it myself.

Torbjørn T.

@GorchestopherH Maybe. In a LaTeX context the most common tools are perhaps pgfplots for plotting data (e.g. tex.stackexchange.com/a/35549/586) and TikZ for generating various other diagrams (or christmas trees). There are other languages for creating graphics such as Asymptote and Metapost, both of which I think can be used together with LaTeX or separately.

David Carlisle

1:54 PM

@N3buchadnezzar htbp is fine, it just allows h in addition to the normal one. What people usually do when trying to force figures is [h] which is spectacularly bad (although not as bad in latex2e as it was in 2.09, as 2e warns and then changes it to [ht])

tohecz

2:15 PM

@N3buchadnezzar I don't understand the popularity of breaking text into multiple blocks by figures. The only use for [H] I've had so far was to make side-to-side figures by:

\begin{figure*}[!t]
\begin{minipage}{\columnwidth}\begin{figure}[H]
...
\end{figure}\end{minipage}%
\hfill
\begin{minipage}{\columnwidth}\begin{figure}[H]
...
\end{figure}\end{minipage}
\end{figure*}

Stephan Lehmke

@tohecz What are the inner figures good for?

tohecz

@StephanLehmke well, imagine you have in a two-column document a need for figures in the following layout

------   ------
| 1  |   | 2  |
------   ------
---------------
|   33333     |
---------------
text      text

the only way to do it in LaTeX2e is by putting both F.1 and F.2 into one {figure*}

Stephan Lehmke

@tohecz Yea, I meant what happens when you leave out the inner figure environments?

tohecz

@StephanLehmke well, it can screw up the two seperate captions I need for the figures

I'm not sure tho, maybe it can't

Stephan Lehmke

2:31 PM

@tohecz Don't think so, that should be covered by the outer figure*. Inside a figure, you can have as many captions as you want. \caption does the numbering and stuff.

tohecz

I use couple packages that do things like enforcing the caption placement etc., so I think that {figure}[H] is the way how not to confuse anyone. The only problem I see is that it adds probably an extra space

I'll check, but for that I need my second computer :)

Johannes_B

Babel defines different shorthands for hyphens, for example "= "~ or "-

Is it documented somewhere in the manual, which one does what? I am either overlooking it consistently, or …

tohecz

@Johannes_B try looking for ngerman?

Johannes_B

@tohecz I am sorry but, either i am going insane, or i need some vacation very very badly.

Johannes_B

2:52 PM

Mhh, vacation! einsteinsdesk.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/…

tohecz

@Johannes_B I don't know if it's there and where exactly

Johannes_B

3:12 PM

@tohecz all the information i needed was in textdoc ngerman

canaaerus

3:41 PM

can't I close a question as “too localized”? (tex.stackexchange.com/questions/160236)

egreg

@canaaerus I voted off-topic with a reason (non reproducible)

David Carlisle

@canaaerus No the close reasons got changed (across the network) last year. "Too localised" went.

canaaerus

I see, thanks David

tohecz

4:50 PM

Anyone willing to spend a comment on this one? I can't find the right words for it:

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Q: Suggestion for LaTeX Development

I have started using LaTeX for the past two to three months and I find it awesome for typesetting almost everything. Since LaTeX3 is currently under development , I would speak about LaTeX2e. I feel that the way the document is typeset should be modified. I come from the background of Computer Sc...

latex-project

David Carlisle

5:16 PM

@tohecz I could sell him a copy of xmltex

Paul Gessler

David Carlisle

@PaulGessler No one has ever said that about MathML

Paul Gessler

5:34 PM

@DavidCarlisle Not meaning to start an argument, sorry, I meant that to be a reply to @tohecz

I can see MathML for what it is, but if I needed to use it I'd prefer to write in (La)TeX and translate at the end. I don't know much about it, but from looking at examples there seems to be way too much "overhead" required in the code.

IMO, of course. :)

David Carlisle

@PaulGessler :-)

tohecz

@PaulGessler :)

ad MathML: it's crazy, but it seems to work, to some extent

OTOH, you produce LaTeX documents by hand. Nobody says that ODT has "too much overhead", because nobody ever sees the code

Paulo Cereda

6:12 PM

@DavidCarlisle: do you still keep on getting upvotes from the grandma question? :)

Gonzalo Medina

6:48 PM

This one can be closed (just a viewer problem according to OP's last comment):

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Q: Latex makes some characters big

Tried out the package for color coding Python code and when I did, the fonts in the entire document suddenly started acting weird. s, a, o and some other letters are typeset larger than others and the whole text just looks weird. Anyone got any ideas? \documentclass{article} \usepackage...

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Canageek

Am delving into `pgfplots`.
May @JosephWright have mercy on my soul

Paulo Cereda

The LaTeX3 presentation video Frank posted on G+ is awesome. :)

David Carlisle

7:19 PM

@PauloCereda yes another couple of votes this week:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Happening to me as well. :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda did you like my pstricks/tikz answer?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle Which one?

David Carlisle

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Q: How to automatically generate a stack diagram for a PostScript expression?

The following figure shows a PostScript expression and its stack diagrams step by step. Is there any package to generate it out of the box? If there is no such a package, how to generate it automatically for any PostScript expression? I don't want to write my own interpreter for sure. Any meth...