SharePoint - 2011-09-16

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9:22 AM

Good morning

9:33 AM

good morning to you too, good sir.

3 hours later…

12:41 PM

good morning everyone

Morning? I've had lunch already

haha well, its 8:43 where I'm at

am

unless you like early lunches

It's 14:45 here

well I hope youre enjoying your afternoon

do you know much about infopath?

as a programmer, i miss my youth, when all the meals were lunches.

12:49 PM

as i programmer, i miss my youth, where i could sleep.

heh, seconded. nope me doesn't know about infopath.

i swear building forms in php seems so much easier for me. plus i have so much control over it compare to infopath

well processing them in php, bulding them in html

@tehman InfoPath is great tool... for simple stuff and for people without some programming knowledge :)

well, there happens a big clash when a programmer's left only with a no-programming-skill-required-tool. at least, that's what's happening to me last six months.

we have this giant company that uses sharepoint 2007 for like everything. infrastructure guys virtually don't allow any custom code to be deployed and we're doing almost everything with javascript and workflows.

i often find myself saying "just one page, please god, just let me execute just one page of php."

2007 handled only with js and workflows ... challenging

1:03 PM

Once you get jQuery inserted in the MasterPage some things get easier. And jQuery allows for the quick addition of eye-candy with minimal effort (which pleases managers)

recently i've discovered spservices. it's a wrapper for sharepoint's webservices based on jquery. it eases some pain.

@frbry I know the feeling

I work on a dev team at one of those giant companies ;)

Yeah, SPServices has some great tools! e.g. the cascading dropdowns for 2007 are great.

And Marc Anderson who created SPServices answers questions here as well

oh that's great to hear.

i will definetely more often hang out here.

1:14 PM

Looks like he has his own tag as well:

sharepoint.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/spservices

If you post a question and tag it with jquery and/or spservices you can almost be sure he jumps i: sharepoint.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/spservices

;) gmta

@Dribbel Haha jinx!

I need to brush up on my jQuery

I try to avoid Infopath as much as possible

Maybe just because people complain about it so much haha

1:37 PM

let me tell you this, the learning curve is much steeper for infopath

php takes much longer to learn and in a way is a kind of craft, something not everyone can pickup easily with any background knowledge

Swag package for first two pages (hopefully)? Being the first one on page 2, I better get some answering going to get on the first page, you know, just in case. :)

infopath kinda makes you disposable :|

Everyone is disposable in any area. It's a matter of how good and efficient you are that makes you valuable.

mehhh

a good php programmer is harder to find than hiring someone to learn infopath

I once heard the strategy that as soon as a someone becomes in disposable he/she should be fired for being a too great risk to the company.

1:43 PM

yeah i've heard of that too, kinda stupid

but why is the risk? couldn't undstand.

understand*

@Dribbel Yikes, IMO that is not a good mentality

The risk is that you have the upper hand on the company for whatever the technology is. If you decide to leave, they would have no control/knowledge to work with the solution you provided

Make your employees live in fear?

That is one of the worst workplace conditions

1:48 PM

oh i see :\

I, too, think it is kinda harsh, but it focuses attention on a problem that many companies have: too much knowledge of a (legacy) system with one or two persons.\

I am kind of indisposable. Something like SPWeb object :P and I hate my company for that.

@Vedran

too much pressure

haha, same here. i want to be disposed.

1:50 PM

@Dribbel This is why I love wiki pages... I can't remember all that stuff.

@KitMenke yep

my first goal here on SPSE is reached :)

class @VedranRasol implements IDisposable

lol

I am officially top SPSE user from Croatia :) Too bad there is no badge for that :P

does anyone know if infopath forms provide filtering/sanitization against malicious code?

1:54 PM

i once read about programmers hiding little code parts in a big software, which can check if that programmer has come to work last three days or so. if not, mess the whole system in a way that only he/she could reverse the effect. in the end, company have to pay the guy a astronomic price.

i don't know if this happens anymore though.

i think i read this in an os book of tanenbaum.

the strategy @Dribbel mentioned reminded me this

Yeah except I'm pretty sure that is illegal

I'm sure there are some programmers that still do that. It's pretty unethical, IMO. As long as you are a quality worker and don't screw up, you'll have a job. If the company downsizes and you get laid off, if you really are that good, you'll get hired elsewhere pretty quickly (and have a good recommendation from your now-former employer)

@VedranRasol How do you know you're the top user from Croatia?

@tehman yes. and it is called [put your administrator name here]. he/she should check any code deployed :)

@TimGabrhel Yeah don't burn bridges if you don't have to

@TimGabrhel there is only one more here :)

at least with proper user profile

1:57 PM

@KitMenke What is your gravatar? I saw that icon elsewhere a few days back

It is the abominable snowman from the old windows game Skifree: ski.ihoc.net/

Oh my! Yes! I loved that game :)

I totally recognize it now

Hehe yeah I think it fits pretty well when I answer SharePoint questions

@TimGabrhel ofcourse it's unethical and illegal :)

Time for the code review session, Enjoy!

2:04 PM

Does anyone know how to see which fields were added by a subcontenttype?

In code :)

Just like how the SharePoint UI presents it in the settings page of a ContentType.

Won't you have to compare the child content type to the parent?

I don't really know though

IMo best solution

I hoped there was some elegant solutions (or property i missed). I tried to reflect on the SharePoint code to see how 'they' did it. But is was obfuscated :(

Just iterating through all fields in the parent and child it is then

@KitMenke I wonder how that only featured/bounty question will be resolved if owner doesn't accept any answer. 2 answers, 2 upvotes each - so both qualify

Hm... I remember seeing a meta.SO post about that somewhere

2:26 PM

If two or more eligible answers have the same score, the oldest answer is awarded the bounty.

I noticed one more 'questionable' situation: If someone offers bounty on question asked by someone else bounty is not awarded by question owner but by bounty owner. So even if question owner accepts answer bounty is not awarded.

hmmz, a migrated question from SO is 'owner-less', and now the original asker can't edit it, to add extra info (and thus adds an answer to it)
http://sharepoint.stackexchange.com/questions/19530/sharepoint-2007-alert-emails-going-to-wrong-account/19543#19543

@VedranRasol Yeah I had that happen to me once

@Dribbel She needs to login to SharePoint.SE

I'll leave a comment

Oh she isn't registered on SO either...

@KitMenke She is logged in, but the question isn't linked to her. And she has an account on SO: stackoverflow.com/users/948521/ashley

Yeah, but look at the top... it says "Unregistered user"

oh, my bad, it isn't an account. just a dummy

Once she registers the question will be linked to her?

2:41 PM

I think she needs to register on SO

then, register on SP.SE

Complicated because she wasn't registered on either site

3:02 PM

What do you guys think about Project Server questions?

Should we allow them?

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Q: Error trying to view task in project server 2010

I've recently migrated from project 2003 to project 2010, via project 2007. I'm experiencing an issue where users with more than 180 new tasks assigned, experience "an unexpected error has occurred". It seems that a query which is used to display the list of project is taking very long to execute...

CC: @alexangas @andersrask

3:22 PM

We didn't get much response when we first discussed it but I think @kurtnelle has a valid point.

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7:15 PM

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A: What SharePoint SKUs are on-topic here?

I think that all of the SKU's for core SharePoint should be considered as valid for the site, especially in SharePoint 2010's case. In that particular case it's SharePoint Foundation that is the core of all the SKUs. Standard and Enterprise are effectively add-ons. I also think that add on packa...

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