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7:29 AM
Happy towel day!
@Skillmon, @samcarter (@UlrikeFischer, @DavidCarlisle) I'm going to do some work on xbeamer as I really would like to make taggable slides for work - but I suspect this will mean more in the direction of a new beamer-like approach in the end than a re-implementation (I am seriously wondering about presentation.cls ...)
Thoughts welcome
All: xbeamer is not public as it's very sketchy, so if you want access, ping me
7:50 AM
@PauloCereda Pong
@JosephWright ooh
@JosephWright thank you!
8:14 AM
@PauloCereda Plan is to add things that I currently use in my slides, see if I can get a tagged version, then work out how to add the rest of beamer (I don't use that much, but I do want basic overlays and blocks)
8:27 AM
@JosephWright ping
@PauloCereda breakfast
@JosephWright oh I don't need a ping, it seems:-)
8:42 AM
@DavidCarlisle He didn't say "quack"
@CarLaTeX David eats also ducks speaking chinese
@UlrikeFischer Chinese roast duck
@DavidCarlisle :)
@UlrikeFischer 脆皮鸭煎饼
9:27 AM
@DavidCarlisle oh no
@DavidCarlisle ooh pings
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10:49 AM
@JosephWright The name seems to not yet taken on ctan. (a couple of classes seems to be on github github.com/equipez/simple-presentation/blob/main/… , github.com/maksimenko-a-n/diplom.cls/blob/master/… and github.com/EricRobertCampbell/latex_classes_and_styles/blob/… , but they mostly seem to be for personal use, so hopefully don't cause much confusion)
@JosephWright A name like presentation.cls, without beamer sounds like a good idea, this gives more freedom for new approaches
11:31 AM
@Rmano OK, interessting.

You say "I have no idea on how to adapt this to Windows or Mac."
In the case of "Windows" there is an installer on the tug-page; and as far I know it intsalls the latest version, even TeXworks.
@cis Yes --- I mean that those instructions are for UNIX only. I have no Windows or Mac machines, so I'll leave that part to other people...
@samcarter powerduck.cls ?
@Rmano :D a very powerful name!
@Rmano it's only really an issue on linux as on the others there is no "system" texlive. I think you make it look more complicated than it is really, you just need to set the PATH
11:51 AM
@DavidCarlisle Probably, but I had a problem with where texdoc found the info. Most of the gimmick is to have the documentation on ~/texmf override the one in the standard paths.
12:02 PM
@samcarter Yeah, at least for new stuff - tagging exisiting still an issue
@samcarter I think also gives more flexibility in terms of features
@samcarter Right, so might change the name for the code
12:21 PM
@samcarter I think for such a generic name I would though want to be sure everyone on the team was happy - let's get something that works first :)
@JosephWright I wondered if we can reuse slides if we bound that to DocumentMetadata.
@UlrikeFischer Possibly ... I guess I was just thinking that the default classes have the 'wrong' name in slides, as the 'type of document' is a presentation, in the same way it's an article or a book or ....
@UlrikeFischer Like I said, let me get something that at least works :)
@Rmano normally if texdoc is found on the path it would just find documentation in the texmf tree rooted above that bin directory.
1:05 PM
I now have the program in Linux Mint
got it working to create a COLR/CPAL ttf font from svg files (which are in a folder there).

But ummm...

From my svg test file
the program does the following.

The shift well...
Somehow it doesn't take on the colors - I don't understand that.
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3:07 PM
The sock puppet master seems to be back...
3:47 PM
@samcarter Oh, great!
4:41 PM
An almost philosophical question on typesetting guitar chords in TikZ: For chords down the neck, would you keep the fret positions correspond to the Y coordinate, and shift the viewport, or recalculate the fret positions and keep the viewport intact?
and a quick question: how do you test if a tl is an integer? I can do it with regex, but that seems ... improper
5:51 PM
@yo' how about shifting the duck into the pond and then recalculate the position of the elefant? (which means I have no idea what you are asking ... ;-) )
6:30 PM
@PauloCereda Oh, thanks for the re-quack
@JosephWright Do you have the slug unit? :) (reddit.com/r/LaTeX/comments/1d0h5g5/…)
If I need to display a chord with string numbers/fret positions {3/7, 4/6, 5/7}, I want to display the fretboard starting at fret position 5, which I can do in two ways. They are of course equivalent in the end (the picture is the same, just the internal coordinates are shifted by 4 in the y direction), which is why I say it's "philosophical" :)
\draw[yshift=0.5cm] (1,0) grid ++(5,6.4);
\node [right] at (1,1) {5};
\foreach \x/\y in {3/7, 4/6, 5/7} {
    \fill ($(\x,\y)+(0,-4)$) circle (2mm);

\draw[yshift=0.5cm] (1,4) grid ++(5,6.4);
\node [right] at (1,5) {5};
\foreach \x/\y in {3/7, 4/6, 5/7} {
    \fill (\x,\y) circle (2mm);
(so, the first one has the first displayed fret, which is fret number 5, at y=1, whereas the second one has it at y=5)
7:09 PM
Don't understand what question / problem is.
Better post a question at the main page - with a runable MWE...
@cis there is no real question (sorry if that wasn't obvious)
8:10 PM
@PauloCereda OMG!
8:22 PM
@yo' is 2.0 an integer?
@DavidCarlisle no. (But I know what you mean. I ended up simply testing for regex ^ [0-9]+ $
Btw, is it a known issue that this crashes?
\ProvidesExplPackage{test}{2024-05-25}{1}{Test Package}

Hello, world!
@yo' I think so (you mean needing ExplSyntaxOff ExplSyntaxOn arround the tikz (and most other latex package) inclusion?
8:38 PM
@DavidCarlisle yep, that's what I mean
what's the recommended way -- move them above the ProvidesExpl line or surround them with ExplSyntaxOffOn?
@yo' yes most 2e code will fail due to lack of white space if not for the catcode11 : and _
@DavidCarlisle funnily, tikz fails for the space because someone had the great idea that spaces in keys are cool :) Would this warrant a redefinition of RequirePackage?
@yo' im not sure, I think we looked at that before. @JosephWright would know:-) it would be quite an intrusive change as you'd have to stack the existing catcodes to restore, as is done for @ you couldn't simply make it do what you can do by hand in 99% of the cases and call \ExplSyntaxOn at the end.
@DavidCarlisle yes, indeed! (TBH, that's what I would expect to happen...)
but I get that this is non-trivial, so no worries really :)
@yo' and "we" coudl do RequirePackage but \usetikzlibrary would have to be fixed within tikz code
8:48 PM
@DavidCarlisle indeed!
Second T20 international, Edgbaston

England 183-7 (20 overs): Buttler 84 (51); Shaheen 3-36

Pakistan 160 all out (19.2 overs): Fakhar 45 (21); Topley 3-41, Moeen 2-26, Archer 2-28

England win by 23 runs, lead series 1-0
@PauloCereda as Psmith isn't here to report these things ^^
9:06 PM
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At our local farmer's market. Advertising a charity rubber duck race!
9:48 PM
@DavidCarlisle ooh
@AlanMunn ooh
@AlanMunn -- There's an annual rubber duck race here too. I think there will be video coverage by drone. If that's posted, I'll link it.
10:28 PM
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@AlanMunn ^^^ found in Japan

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