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Ulrike Fischer

00:03

@cfr who is Lucy?

cfr

05:15

@UlrikeFischer :

cfr

05:40

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cfr

07:10

@Skillmon I think @UlrikeFischer has a more cooperative subject.

Skillmon

@cfr Bär is very wellbehaved indeed.

cfr

07:57

@Skillmon google tells me 'Bär' is Swedish for 'Arth' and 'bär' is Swedish for 'aeron'. only if I force Almaeneg does it admit 'Bär' is 'arth'. Though the Swedish translation is probably more accurate in this case ....

samcarter

08:58

@cfr The Bär might be more cooperative, but Lucy is just as cute!

@UlrikeFischer xkcd.com/3020

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Skillmon

@cfr Bär is bear in English (since I have no idea of Welsh I have to guess that "arth" means "bear" as well), but it's used as a given name here.

Ulrike Fischer

@samcarter ;-)

@Skillmon Not if you take him to some exhibition then he sneaks away vvvv

Skillmon

@samcarter love the mouse over!

samcarter

@Skillmon yes!

Rmano

@samcarter lot of bosses and little of soldier, seems like real life...

samcarter

09:17

@Rmano :D

samcarter

10:23

@UlrikeFischer Today I learnt the Polish word for "cute little bears" atlasobscura.com/places/bemisie

daleif

11:36

Anyone know how to change the bounding box on a tikz image that has a pgfplot? If I apply \fbox to the tikzpicture the image that the correct size, if we later on run pdfcrop on the PDF, there is a lot of extra space at the top that I do not know the origin of. There is nothing visible.

I'd normally use \path[use as bounding box] (...) rectangle ++(...); but that does not seem to have an effect in a tikz plot.

We are handling the plots a bit strangely, they sit in one large document, one image per page, and it is then cropped before use.

Note that it does not happen if one uses standalone

Ulrike Fischer

@daleif pdfcrop doesn't care about bounding boxes but on visible stuff. Try a clipping path. Or make an example.

daleif

@UlrikeFischer I know, issue is that what ever it things is visible, cannot be seen.

Ulrike Fischer

@daleif well if you make an example I could check if there is something in the PDF that ghostscript views as something that matters.

daleif

Manually creating a clipping path works. Will look into what ever is being drawn outside the image some other time.

@UlrikeFischer Is there a description of that process somewhere?

samcarter

12:36

@JosephWright If it isn't too much trouble, could you please sent me a mod message so I can reply with a suggestion?

daleif

13:02

@UlrikeFischer I've noticed memoir (memhfixc) is now giving the following warning
LaTeX Warning: Command `\theHpagenote' already defined -- not changed on input
line 315.
Since memoir adds a Hpagenote counter. Does that mean that we can assume that counter now exists under hyperref and remove it from memhfixc

Ulrike Fischer

13:16

@daleif no, you get the warning because the \newcounter{pagenote} in memoir directly defines both \thepagenote and \theHpagenote. \newcounter{Hpagenote} then wants to define \theHpagenote and \theHHpagenote and the first clash. The best would be to rename the counter e.g. \newcounter{H@pagenote} or \newcounter{memH@pagenote} or something like this.

And yes, I know hyperref has for an unknown reason a counter Hfootnote which has the same problem, but I hadn't yet the time to check if I can safely rename it.

Rmano

Regression in lstlistings or it worked by chance before? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/732203/…

daleif

@UlrikeFischer thanks, I'll put it on my todo list.

Ulrike Fischer

@daleif but you should test that ;-) (hyperref's footnote handling isn't really easy to follow).

@daleif, you could also like hyperref first undefine \theHpagenote - as the clash between the two \theH... exists since a long time, it probably doesn't matter if it stays.

\let\H@@theHfootnote\theHfootnote
    \let\theHfootnote\undefined
    \newcounter{Hfootnote}
    \let\theHfootnote\H@@theHfootnote

Ulrike Fischer

14:33

@DavidCarlisle ngpdf has an interesting way to present a \frac{1}{2} ...

Joseph Wright

15:20

@UlrikeFischer ?

Ulrike Fischer

15:32

the long line is from the frac ... @JosephWright

Joseph Wright

@UlrikeFischer :)

Ulrike Fischer

@JosephWright seems to be a browser issue, firefox is ok, but chrome and opera fail.

Joseph Wright

15:49

@UlrikeFischer Ah, makes some sense

Ulrike Fischer

16:03

@JosephWright David will try to track it down.

cfr

@Skillmon sorry, yes.

David Carlisle

16:33

@UlrikeFischer You need math.inline {display:inline math !important ;} the original works in firefox as it doesn't fully follow mathml-core (as it predates it by 25 years(

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle what does the original setting do instead?

David Carlisle

ngpdf is adding style="display:inline" which is normal inline style but it needs to be display: inline math which is a modified version that's inline but for math layout. You don't need anything at all as inline math is the default, but since the style attribute is there the suggested !important css rule forces it back

so it could have just been <math> but it is <math class="inline" style="display:inline"> the style attribute is wrong, but the class attribute allows that global rule to correct it

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle ok, so we can simply report that as ngpdf bug ...

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer or maybe a bug in the deriving from html doc table 4 which I think says to use css inline for inline elements without special casing cases where that is wrong

egreg

16:56

You may have noticed reduced activity: since Tuesday night I’m in the hospital with a broken leg and I’ll have surgery tomorrow

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Ulrike Fischer

@egreg oh, how did that happened?

Joseph Wright

@egreg Oh my!

egreg

Slippery tram rail

Ulrike Fischer

@egreg with the bike?

Joseph Wright

@egreg !!!

egreg

16:59

How else?

David Carlisle

@egreg hope the surgery goes well

egreg

@DavidCarlisle I do too 🙃

Jasper Habicht

@egreg guarisci presto!

David Carlisle

@egreg don't worry, we will continue to earn rep in your absence

egreg

@DavidCarlisle That’s why I informed here! 😜

Rmano

17:05

@egreg Ouch! I can relate: I broke a foot ("some" years ago, at the end of University studies ;-P) running over a slippery tram rail in Turin... Auguri di pronta guarigione!

mickep

18:15

@egreg Get well soon!

@DavidCarlisle When the cat is gone...

Jasper Habicht

@mickep ... the ducks are being put on the table?

mickep

@JasperHabicht Oh, since there were no dodos ...

cfr

19:00

@egreg oh no! I'm sorry to hear that. good luck with the surgery.

@mickep Lucy says she's not going anywhere. she's wrong though. she's going to the vet tomorrow.

would anybody with adobe reader be willing to search a PDF for the words Putnam and the? I can't make a minimal example because I can't reproduce the problem. according to the complaint Putnam isn't found at all and only about 5 occurrences of the. (the PDF is about 16M, though, so this is definitely begging-a-favour.)

Jasper Habicht

19:22

@cfr I think, she is still right: It's rather you who brings her there, I doubt that she will walk on her own to the vet

@cfr I could do that.

Skillmon

@egreg oh dear! Get well soon and all the blessings for your surgery!

Joseph Wright

19:40

@cfr Link?

cfr

@JasperHabicht you probably have a point, true.

@JasperHabicht @JosephWright cfrees.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/…

Joseph Wright

@cfr Works for me on the Mac

@cfr I get 4 hits

Jasper Habicht

@cfr Seems to work: Putnam: 29, 10 of which: Putnam's;

cfr

@JosephWright for Putnam?

@JasperHabicht that's about right. thanks for testing. is that Windows or Mac?

Jasper Habicht

the: 2556 ... (including there, they ...)

Windows 10

Joseph Wright

19:46

@cfr Correction, 29 hits - it took a little while to 'catch up'

cfr

@JasperHabicht yeah, rather more than 5 ;).

Jasper Habicht

@cfr Well, depending on who you ask 5 is close ...

cfr

@JosephWright thanks. so I think this is on the student's end and I can stop trying to figure out what's wrong with my pdf?

samcarter

@egreg A speedy recovery!

Jasper Habicht

Acrobat Reader should be the latest version

Joseph Wright

19:47

@cfr Yes

Skillmon

@cfr only by a small error margin of a bit over 50000 %.

cfr

@JasperHabicht close in what sense?

@Skillmon :)

Jasper Habicht

@Skillmon There are more numbers > 2556 than 2556 > n > 5

Skillmon

@cfr the magnitude of the magnitude is the same.

cfr

@JasperHabicht not if you count all numbers.

Skillmon

19:48

@JasperHabicht another way to put it.

cfr

@Skillmon ??

Skillmon

@cfr 2556 has 4 digits, 5 has 1 digit, both 4 and 1 have one digit, so they are basically the same.

cfr

@Skillmon well, if you insist on base 10.

@JasperHabicht @JosephWright thanks very much.

Jasper Habicht

@cfr Well, the size of the infinite amount of numbers between 2556 and 5 is still less than the size of the infinite amount of numbers between 2556 and ... well, infinity.

I don't know how to express this in proper mathematical English though

cfr

@JasperHabicht it is a long time, but I think that is not true if we are talking about reals. there are as many reals between 5 and 2556 as between 2556 and the smallest infinite number, I think.

but maybe I'm just misremembering ... it has been more than a long time ...

Ulrike Fischer

19:59

@JasperHabicht no. both in the rational and the real number that is the same infinity.

Jasper Habicht

@UlrikeFischer Even though the one infinity is "open" (that is going infinity)?

Joseph Wright

@JasperHabicht Yup

Jasper Habicht

Okay, than ... there is obviously as large a gap between 2556 and 5 as there is between 2556 and infty ... so, should not be neglected probably ... =)

mickep

@cfr These two sets have the same cardinality indeed.

Ulrike Fischer

@JasperHabicht yes.

mickep

20:05

The rationals are countable though, and the reals uncountable, so the reals have a larger cardinality than the rationals.

Jasper Habicht

@mickep Right, I start to remember slowly

cfr

20:56

@mickep @UlrikeFischer thanks. it is reassuring to know I remember something ;).

@mickep Cantor. that proof I do remember.

@UlrikeFischer but not the same infinity in the reals as in the rationals ...

Jasper Habicht

21:21

I remember Hilbert's hotel where you never run out of vacancies, even if all rooms are full =)

CarLaTeX

22:01

@egreg Oh no! In bocca al lupo, Enrico!

Skillmon

@JasperHabicht you can even fit an infinite number of buses filled with infinite guests in the fully booked hotel.

Jasper Habicht

@Skillmon Yes, and so cfr's argument has a point

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