@AlanMunn Can you confirm whether or not the OgreKit Find panel in the latest TeXShop no longer respects the Scope setting and always uses Entire File even when set to Selection? I emailed Dick Koch and he refuses to discuss the matter.

@JosephWright I learnt latex from kopka & daly after being told that I did not want to use latex. aside from the person who told me I didn't want to use it, I knew nobody else who used it at all. I then also bought tlc, while still a student, but found it of very little help. (I think it was simply too outdated.) so then I read package documentation. so I don't think it is altogether fair to assume I have a different attitude towards learning things from books. even programming things.

@JosephWright it isn't that I don't think I can learn from books, it's that I know I will fail regardless of whether books are involved or not ... ;)

@LaTeXereXeTaL Seems to respect the selection for me with the latest version, using both regex and non-regex find.

how can I check whether a PDF is searchable in adobe reader? one of my student's has complained that search fails to find names the document contains or finds only a few instances of words used many times. for example, it found only 5 occurrences of the in 180 pages. I cannot reproduce either behaviour in okular. pdfgrep finds more than 1,000 ' the ' and 28 occurrences of the name ....

@LaTeXereXeTaL I think Dick prefers that issues be raised on the TeX on MacOS mailing list first. (I don't pay much attention to it, so apologies if you'd already done that.)

@AlanMunn It's broken for me on both my Intel MBP and M1 iMac. Ah well. Regarding the mailing list, he was quite dismissive and rude there too so I stopped populating that space. There seems to be no good way to have a conversation with him. Must be me I guess. Thanks.

@cfr does the name contain non-ascii chars?

I was probably lucky with TLC2 - it has just come out when I bought it

@cfr hm, by testing it in adobe reader? ;-). But generally: if a pdf is not searchable it can be either because the tounicode values are wrong (and then the pdf must change) or because the adobe cache is corrupted/outdated (there is an option to clean that up).

@LaTeXereXeTaL Is it only with regex find/replace that you have the issue and does it matter which expression engine you are using? Do you have any extra search options chosen?

Oh no overleaf :(

@mickep ?

@UlrikeFischer Down since an hour or so

@UlrikeFischer People are panicking reddit.com/r/LaTeX/comments/1h5m3bw/overleaf_down

@mickep oh. Interesting how many people have no backups.

@mickep We're on it, and we feel really sorry for some of these people :( but this one isn't trivial.

@yo' Oh, good luck!

@mickep Thanks!

@daleif no. the name is Putnam.

@UlrikeFischer I need something which will work on linux. does pdftotext use the tounicode values?

@daleif no. the name is Putnam.

@JosephWright sounds like it. TLC is certainly the least useful computer-related book I've bought. which isn't to say I learnt nothing from it, but I think it was just too old.

@Skillmon ??

@cfr Ah well - TLC3 is good :)

@cfr I usually use pdftotext to show people what happens to their å under pdflatex if you do not use \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}

And then open in Emacs to show that the result is two chars not one

@cfr is the pdf available somewhere?

@daleif everything is behind walls these days, but cfrees.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/… should work.

@JosephWright but I am stuck reading PiL ...

@cfr :)

@yo' seems it's back before I noticed it was gone?

@DavidCarlisle Yeah, it took only ~3 hours :-(

@yo' an exciting day, I guess

@DavidCarlisle yeah. Now I need some duck...

@yo' good plan

@JosephWright at least I'm stuck because the book is no longer correct.

@cfr :)

@cfr the manual lua.org/manual/5.4/contents.html is available for current versions for placed where pil lags behind

@DavidCarlisle I know, but it doesn't help when the book uses a separate library.

@cfr ooh issues. :)

@PauloCereda sorry :(.

@cfr always an honour to be of service! <3

@PauloCereda <3

@PauloCereda any idea why the line breaks are wrong?

@cfr No idea, we will investigate!

Anyone who could do a quick proof read of Tradtional (rather than Simplified) Chinese? github.com/learnlatex/learnlatex.github.io/pull/222

@AlanMunn I'm not using regex at all. Under More Options all I have selected is Capture Group. I haven't changed any of my settings. The behavior persists. Something changed in a recent update that no one caught.

@LaTeXereXeTaL But I can't reproduce it. What OS are you using?

macOS 15.1.1 Sequoia.

I only noticed it AFTER the most recent TeXShop update, but that doesn't mean it wasn't present before then. I'm resigned to the fact that it won't be fixed except by chance; I'm used to it. LOL

Dick seems perturbed every time I ask him something, and the OgreKit dev hasn't responded yet. I'll just live with it as usual.