TeX, LaTeX and Friends - 2024-11-05

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cfr

00:32

@UlrikeFischer sorry, was away from the computer. it looks like it should work - thanks! it is still compiling, but it certainly doesn't error in the same place.

cfr

00:43

@gusbrs including journals, apparently. why not orphan it, then? at least then the situation would be clear. (not that it would necessarily make any practical difference.)

@UlrikeFischer however, it fails later with non-updated TL. (maybe this is expected?)

@UlrikeFischer please ignore ^^. apparently I don't know the difference between a bash script and a tex document.

@UlrikeFischer but it fails anyway. however, I think you probably expect this.

gusbrs

@cfr I don't know, you'd have to ask him. ;-) Perhaps he cherishes it too much to let it go? And I'm neither judging or complaining. It is just really a little sad to see a cool and traditional package bit rot like this.

cfr

01:37

@gusbrs I agree. just I guess it is one thing to say: I have no interest in maintaining this or I'd love to, but I am not able to maintain it, and another to prevent anybody else from fixing it. this doesn't seem like a case where there's any disagreement about whether things are bugs or not. I've refused to let somebody else take over a package and refused to implement the requested changes. but I considered that to be definitely in the feature request category.

but I've also had an author refused to accept a corrected file unless I agreed to take adopt the package, which I'm unwilling to do. (but, even in that case, at least there's transparency.) I can also understand somebody promising to fix things and never actually finding the time to do it. and I don't know enough to judge. I've only really heard one side of this story ....

gusbrs

02:04

@cfr I really have no idea of what the story is. I was just teasing Ulrike a little since "something" is popping up every other day, or more, and it falls right onto her lap. A little empathy, if you wish. ;-)

cfr

02:59

@gusbrs oh, yes, I know. cleveref is Ulrike's thorn, for sure.

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Atcold

04:02

Can anyone guess the meaning of the following assignment? \let\tikz@signal@path=\tikz@signal@path To me it makes no sense at all…

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Ulrike Fischer

06:37

@cfr what fails anyway?

cfr

06:55

@UlrikeFischer I just meant it doesn't work on non-updated TL, but I assume that's expected.

Skillmon

@cfr you might want to comment about the sole h under that question instead of under my answer :) (I corrected it in my answer)

Ulrike Fischer

07:16

@cfr what doesn't work? The fix should do nothing if the format is not new enough, but on the other side cleveref shouldn't error there.

David Carlisle

07:37

@Atcold not prefixed by \global for example?

Skillmon

@Atcold where did you find that and what is around it?

mickep

\def\tikz@path@overlay#1{%
  \let\tikz@signal@path=\tikz@signal@path% for detection at begin of matrix cell
  \pgfutil@ifnextchar<{\tikz@path@overlayed{#1}}{\path #1}}%

From tikz.code.tex

^ @DavidCarlisle @Skillmon

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle grr array

Ulrike Fischer

07:56

@JosephWright isn't using b-argument here simply a "don't do it"?

David Carlisle

@JosephWright ?

Joseph Wright

08:20

@UlrikeFischer I think so yes

Joseph Wright

09:10

texdev.net/2024/11/05/engine-news-from-the-latex-project

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Skillmon

@JosephWright typo spotted: "baaed" instead of "based" in the second pdfTeX paragraph.

Joseph Wright

@Skillmon Yes, I spotted that :) Fixed

Skillmon

@JosephWright another one in the "other engines" section: "and so are may see"

Joseph Wright

@Skillmon Thanks - fixed

Skillmon

@JosephWright also technical thing (that you most likely can't do much about): If the cursor is to the right of the text block scrolling via mouse wheel doesn't work (on Firefox)

samcarter

09:39

@Atcold Instead of repeating the same chat question on the next day, you could use one of the Q&A sites to ask a proper question.

@Skillmon "baaed" sounds like an activity a sheep would do :P

Skillmon

@samcarter :D thought the same

samcarter

@Skillmon :)

Skillmon

:66564883 ooh, so removed

Rmano

@Skillmon ;-)

@JosephWright "exiting LaTeX documents" ;-)

Skillmon

@Rmano after you entered a document you have to get out somehow

Joseph Wright

10:00

@Rmano Fixed

Rmano

@Skillmon yep, me too...

David Carlisle

@mickep my in depth technical assesement is that \let\tikz@signal@path=\tikz@signal@path is for detection at begin of matrix cell

Skillmon

10:48

@DavidCarlisle who are you that you're so wise in the way of science?

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Rmano

Anybody knows why my thumbnailer is trying to run mkofm ptmri8t and, especially, why it fails with kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmri8t ! I can't find file ptmri8t'. ` and several more error? I think I have the full TeXLive installed...

David Carlisle

@Rmano what do you get for

Ulrike Fischer

@Rmano which engine?

David Carlisle

$ kpsewhich ptmri8t.tfm
/usr/local/texlive/2024/texmf-dist/fonts/tfm/adobe/times/ptmri8t.tfm

@Skillmon I was schooled in the ways of a wise mistress who put down her sword and taught that code could have comments

Skillmon

11:06

@DavidCarlisle Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for knowing how to code!

Rmano

% kpsewhich ptmri8t.tfm
/home/romano/texlive2024/texmf-dist/fonts/tfm/adobe/times/ptmri8t.tfm

@DavidCarlisle

David Carlisle

@Skillmon If it's good enough for ruling kingdoms...

Joseph Wright

@Skillmon :)

Rmano

@UlrikeFischer this is evince-thumbnailer calling something strange... I will have to investigate more. It generated tons of logs...

% mkofm ptmri8t
mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; ; nonstopmode; input ptmri8t
This is METAFONT, Version 2.71828182 (TeX Live 2024) (preloaded base=mf)

kpathsea: Running mktexmf ptmri8t
! I can't find file `ptmri8t'.
<*> ...jfour; mag:=1; ; nonstopmode; input ptmri8t

Please type another input file name
! Emergency stop.
<*> ...jfour; mag:=1; ; nonstopmode; input ptmri8t

Transcript written on mfput.log.
grep: ptmri8t.log: No such file or directory
mktextfm: `mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; ; nonstopmode; input ptmri8t' failed to make ptmri8t.tfm.

This is a TeXLive 2024 "portable" installation.

mickep

11:32

@DavidCarlisle Well, I just copied the code... :)

@DavidCarlisle What is it with people ending math with dots anyways ...

David Carlisle

@mickep who knows ...

Ulrike Fischer

11:47

@DavidCarlisle not me ...

Skillmon

12:35

@UlrikeFischer We never lost control ...

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cfr

13:52

@UlrikeFischer this:

LaTeX Info: Redefining \labelcpageref on input line 2370.
Package cleveref Info: `listings' support loaded on input line 3131.
)

! LaTeX socket Error: Socket 'refstepcounter' undeclared!

For immediate help type H <return>.
 ...

l.126 }


You tried to use a socket that was not declared before.



! LaTeX socket Error: Socket 'refstepcounter' undeclared!

For immediate help type H <return>.
 ...

l.127 \AssignSocketPlug{refstepcounter}{cleveref}


You tried to use a socket that was not declared before.

Ulrike Fischer

@cfr well yes, my fix needs a current latex (or a test for a current latex). But I will add that to hyperref and upload today. So tomorrow or thursday it should be ok again.

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samcarter

15:17

@mickep ... so instead of dots, you are now posting answers about single dots a the end? :)

Skillmon

16:07

@DavidCarlisle time for picture mode? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/730177

mickep

@samcarter Weird, isn't it?

Jasper Habicht

@Skillmon This is because the text is set in a div that is set to window height and has overflow: scroll instead of having the things around this set to position: fixed. So it is a matter of how to design the website template

BTW I now changed quite a few inline loops to function loops which seems to make compilation quicker ...

David Carlisle

16:27

@Skillmon as requested

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Atcold

17:54

@Skillmon more context here.

@samcarter I thought it was off-topic and questions were supposed to be about the use of LaTeX rather than looking into source code.

David Carlisle

18:19

@Skillmon and the tick goes to...

@Atcold no it is perfectly reasonable to post a question asking what some code does

Skillmon

18:43

@DavidCarlisle you're welcome

@JasperHabicht depends on the number of items. For few items function is faster, for many inline is.

@DavidCarlisle though I need to get the 6 back at the end, so I should've posted the picture mode answer as well... :)

Jasper Habicht

@Skillmon Hm, but if expandability is needed, I guess there is no other way than using function

Skillmon

19:23

@JasperHabicht or tokens if you need to map more than a single N-type, but yes

Skillmon

19:39

Looks like a job for pxpic: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/730171/change-page-number

mickep

20:16

@Skillmon Weird images for that question, indeed.

@DavidCarlisle No font testing today? I assume you've been too occupied with ...

Jasper Habicht

20:36

uhm ... compiling the same code with LuaLaTeX instead of XeLaTeX results in a Missing-number error ... line refers to something at a page break, I would say ... command that raises the error is \__kernel_tl_set:Nx ... this is highly unspecific, but does someone has any idea? I use titletoc, titlesec, hyperref and I suspect it being related to some labels or toc line ...

David Carlisle

@mickep yes to ... this afternoon and virtually in Prague this morning, I need to get my minionpro setup working again but I will get back to it (actually I could probably just use the same tex code and different fonts sinc eth eerror is on font allocations not the actual fonts, but I''l look later)

Skillmon

@JasperHabicht \__kernel_tl_set:Nx can't be the cause for a missing number error. Please show the relevant passage from your log file verbatim.

Oh, just realised, you mean you're seeing the \__kernel_tl_set:Nx as the token TeX expected the number at. That makes indeed sense. Still, please show the log verbatim.

Jasper Habicht

@Skillmon True. Let me first try to track this down a bit

Seems that I had a \pdfcreationdate somewhere in the code ... e_e

mickep

20:52

@DavidCarlisle I tried with stix2 here, but I could not trigger it.

Jasper Habicht

21:11

Well, the log just says `Missing number, treated as zero.
<to be read again>
\__kernel_tl_set:Nx
l.34

A number should have been here`

In line 34, there is nothing, so a \par

AHA! microtype ... hmmm

No, not microtype, but I think I found it

Strange ... I have \addtocontents{toc}{\protect\setcounter{zchinrchapterindex}{\thechapter}} and this works with XeLaTeX, but not with LuaLaTeX. I try to come up with a MWE

It is microtype. Something does not work properly. Maybe I just switch it off then

barbara beeton

21:38

@JosephWright -- Can you think of a reason that Firefox gives no indication that this file continues past the first paragraph headed LuaTeX? Or must I simply assume that my laptop is sick? (I really would like to be able to read the rest of the document.)

Skillmon

21:51

@JasperHabicht that's because LaTeX sets up TeX not to show context lines... :) Try \errorcontextlines=5 and take a look at the log with that in the preamble. If you don't spot anything try to turn tracing on in the vicinity of your error line and take a look what starts number scanning.

LaTeXereXeTaL

22:08

Is this tex.stackexchange.com/a/573331/218142 still a good way to make a simple watermark? \put is not deprecated is it?

Jasper Habicht

@Skillmon Hopefully this will enlighten me ... It seems really to be connected to \addtocontents{toc}{\protect\setcounter{zchinrchapterindex}{\thechapter}}, but I don't know why exactly. It only appears on the second compilation, so I take it that it has something to do with how the stuff in the .ptc file are parsed on the second run.

David Carlisle

@LaTeXereXeTaL yes but I wouldn't call that "still" the shipout hooks are relatively new

@barbarabeeton note just firefox, the content scrolls with my laptop if I use a two finger scroll on the traclpad, but the scrollbar is suppressed (@JosephWright)

@JosephWright @barbarabeeton the site has css .site-main{scrollbar-width:none} so you get no scrollbar, if you select inspect from the right menu you can get it back

user image

barbara beeton

22:24

@DavidCarlisle -- Thanks for the suggestion. That works. Still, it would be better if the page behaved more predictably.

Jasper Habicht

sigh I am too tired to be able to fix this issue. Now, it seems to be gone which can't really be ...

LaTeXereXeTaL

22:47

@DavidCarlisle Okay thanks.

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