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5:37 AM

@AlanMunn Perhaps, but it's an interesting insight: thanks :)

6:01 AM

@barbarabeeton I suspect in the end these things are all about how individual devs feel about things: often the way with coding. The reasoning for no copy-paste is pretty thin: as @samcarter has pointed out, a build-in copy-paste could actually add attribution automatically.

@barbarabeeton One of the arguments of course for 'some other site' run by users, but it would still have the need to convince whoever actually does the coding

yo'

6:24 AM

@user1271772 This is presumptive so much that it really feels just offensive. And 2 post later you jump to call @TeXnician agressive merely for stating their opinion. That's not a way a meaningful discussion can be held.

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6:49 AM

@UlrikeFischer I realise that at present I can't block-deprecate x-types as they are used by the kernel, so that's a 'phase II' step

8:09 AM

@barbarabeeton speaking about the community ads: are they still a thing? I haven't seen a post about them since 2021.

8:44 AM

@samcarter I think they got canned: one issue for the Powers I suspect was that most sites didn't really have ads of the type they were hoping for

@JosephWright What a pity!

10:37 AM

Hi @PhelypeOleinik

Oh, hi @PhelypeOleinik, long time no write

@Skillmon You scared him off ;)

10:54 AM

@Skillmon Hi Mr. Rabbit!

11:08 AM

@JosephWright Hello Joseph! :)

@Skillmon Oh, hi Mr. Rabbit. Indeed, quite a while!

@PhelypeOleinik quack

@PauloCereda ooh another duck! Hello!

@PhelypeOleinik ooh more ducks

@PauloCereda lunch

@JosephWright luckily not

@PhelypeOleinik How're you doin'?

11:21 AM

@Skillmon :)

@Skillmon Did you like the revisions to the e-type PR?

Jaguar E-Type

The Jaguar E-Type, or the Jaguar XK-E for the North American market, is a British sports car that was manufactured by Jaguar Cars Ltd between 1961 and 1974. Its combination of aesthetics, high performance, and competitive pricing established the model as an icon of the motoring world. The E-Type's claimed 150 miles per hour (240 km/h) top speed, sub-7-second 0 to 60 mph (97 km/h) acceleration, unitary construction, disc brakes, rack-and-pinion steering, and independent front and rear suspension distinguished the car and spurred industry-wide changes.The E-Type was based on Jaguar's D-Type racing...

I am tempted to rename the PR ...

@JosephWright clearly better than x

@DavidCarlisle :)

@JosephWright had no time to really look at them (and no time to really finish my first review through it) :(

mickep

@JosephWright Oh no, why? (youtu.be/7w1HeDqYCU4?si=II4Gaj8G1_2JWJKr)

@JosephWright a linguistic's automobile (@AlanMunn)

11:31 AM

@Skillmon There's that too, yup

@Skillmon No probs - just wondered - need to wait for FMi anyway (he's away)

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@mickep Well 'The Jag' sounds quite cool

@Skillmon Too much coffee and to little sleep, but otherwise quite well :) You?

mickep

@JosephWright Maybe too cool :)

@mickep Indeed

11:43 AM

Feature request: SE should sent every user, who answers questions, one of these: external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/…

@samcarter well I realise you are trying to drive people away from tex.sx to topanswers:-)

@DavidCarlisle Would you prefer if SE sends you one of these iceland.co.uk/p/iceland-whole-duck-1.9kg/83239.html ?

@PhelypeOleinik too much football for my legs, too much to do for the dayjob to enjoy enough of TeX, all in all: A whole lot to complain :) But actually I'm quite fine. And the coffee to sleep ratio is bad as well :)

@samcarter yep

@samcarter is that @PauloCereda?

12:00 PM

@DavidCarlisle 1.9 kg sounds a bit too light for @PauloCereda , he is tall for a duck :)

12:51 PM

@Skillmon So it sounds like everything's according to normalcy :)

@PhelypeOleinik yep :)

1:45 PM

Is there a simple way to make the interword space large in a stretch of text?

@AlanMunn \spaceskip=3cm

@DavidCarlisle Perfect! Thanks.

@AlanMunn also \xspaceskip if you want end of sentence space to match

@DavidCarlisle Ok. For what I want that won't be needed, but good to know.

@Skillmon My advisor's car of choice was a vintage Porsche... :)

2:11 PM

@AlanMunn sounds great :) But nothing for me personally

@AlanMunn ooh that's... "car-azy"! /ba dum tss

@PauloCereda might even be a racy car

@Skillmon ooh

@Skillmon The roof leaked, it was super noisy, and although from personal experience you could squeeze someone into the back "seat" it wasn't very practical. At some point he got rid of it and replaced it with a Lexus.

@PauloCereda That jokes porsching it.

@AlanMunn "super noisy" is one of the sales arguments for a Porsche. The leaking roof sounds ugly, though.

2:15 PM

@AlanMunn lol

@Skillmon Yeah, probably. That does seem to be the main criterion of the car freaks (which he wasn't).

3:43 PM

@samcarter -- The only "useful" community ad I can think of under the circumstances is "Join a TeX user group", and that's so generic nobody is inspired to create one. Further, the site ads (for teams and such) and commercials are very gaudy to grab attention, and would always come above a modest community ad, and they shove down the linked questions. So the incentive is reduced even more. Essentially, community ads are dead.

@samcarter and @JosephWright -- I've noticed that the Stack Exchange bureaucracy claims ownership of our nice "{ TeX }" logo. I'll look up the page where I saw it. I think this takes too much liberty.

4:04 PM

@AlanMunn -- Having many times ridden in the "back seat" of a hard-top Karmann Ghia, I can sympathize.

4:18 PM

@barbarabeeton Where's that?

@JosephWright -- I can't find the page where it clearly said that our logo is a SE trademark, but the corporate page stackoverflow.com/legal/trademark-guidance says "The logos associated with Stack Exchange Inc. and any Stack Exchange site are a trademark. ... Our logo images and site names are copyrighted." Sorry! I've been through a trademark "disagreement" in 1980 or so. If the TeX logo is trademarked, it should be held by DEK or AMS.

@JosephWright -- I happen to have (although I'm not sure where it is) a t-shirt with a nice large "\{\TeX\}" printed on it. I got it at a TUG meeting in, I think, 1981.

7:42 PM

@DavidCarlisle is "Install the one and only editor, and hit the following keys: /\$s_1\$<cr>v/\$s_2\$<cr>f$d" a good comment for tex.stackexchange.com/questions/697170/…?

TeXnician

@Skillmon You can install emacs in overleaf? :D

@TeXnician I'm not sure about now, but it used to have a VIM mode. And I doubt they allow you to install a full OS in their online editor.

@Skillmon I nearly made an answer along those lines, but you have the wrong key sequences

yo'

8:36 PM

@barbarabeeton I'd be tempted to say they mean that "the very precise combination of the 5 characters in that font with that colour and shading and what-nots" is copyrighted. I personally wouldn't care much...

8:52 PM

@yo' -- The thing that bother me is that they had no part in designing it. A great deal of effort went into designing the header block of our group, and all the Powers have done is degrade it, removing other elements tat helped show the history and interests of the TeX community. I suspect that they also claim ownership of the contributions in the questions ans answers and could, if they were so inclined, attempt to restrict their reuse. Our group is polite; not all are.

@barbarabeeton They already tried to restrict access to the information added by volunteers and were caught red-handed: meta.stackexchange.com/a/390023/237989

@barbarabeeton It took a network wide moderation strike to get the powers that be to commit to continuing the data dump for the foreseeable future (meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389811/…)