@AlanMunn -- Well, that should make @DavidCarlisle less unhappy. Thank you. (But I still can't figure out how to make my laptop take a screenshot, especially one that's just part of the screen.)

@barbarabeeton Not a Mac I suppose?

@barbarabeeton If you're using Linux, most are supposed to support Shift-PrtSc for a specific region. If you're using Windows you have my deepest sympathies... :)

@AlanMunn -- No, not a Mac. I had a Macbook, and on that, I could manage screenshots. After an argument with the Macbook (I dropped it o my toe, doing much damage, but I also have an unresolved argument with Apple), I switched to a Dell with Ubuntu. For straight-up *nix, it mostly behaves nicely, but I haven't managed to conquer screen management.

@barbarabeeton Sorry about your toe (I'm assuming the Macbook was fine).

@AlanMunn -- Where is PrtSc located? Hiding on an unmarked function key? (I had a Windows desktop when I was at the AMS, and after too many years of having important information garbled by conventions forced upon me by management, no way was I going to continue that.)

@AlanMunn -- Yes, the Macbook survived better than the toenail. And I think it still works, but never progressed past Snow Leopard. (I'm actually quite fond of those four-footed beasts. They're amazingly beautiful oversized pussycats. But definitely always a very secure barrier between them and me.)

@barbarabeeton Key to the right of F10? (According to a diagram online)

@AlanMunn -- Aha! Yes, it does seem to be. Now, to figure out how to capture just a subset of the screen. You're a peach! Thanks.

@barbarabeeton I think just use Shift-PrtScr and then use your trackpad to select?

@AlanMunn -- Still gets the whole screen, but now that I know it's PrtSc I can look it up.

@barbarabeeton ^^

@DavidCarlisle -- Thank you ... but no comment about the comma?

@barbarabeeton I have succeeded in making you feel guilty about its misplacement, I can do no more.

Ohhh tug.org/texlive/acquire-netinstall.html

@mickep "Please allow a few days for it to make its way around CTAN." My mirror is still 2022, though

@barbarabeeton suggestion: install ksnip (just use the .deb download). It's powerful and easy to use (especially with x11, with Wayland it's still a bit rough). github.com/ksnip/ksnip

@yo' ooh

@Rmano Buongiorno signore squirrel <3

@JosephWright ooh a duck

@PauloCereda hmmm, delicious!

:)

@Skillmon oh no

@PauloCereda I had to step in, as @DavidCarlisle wasn't yet here.

Hello, @DavidCarlisle

happy new year from Oxford

$ tlmgr update --all
tlmgr: package repository mirror.ox.ac.uk/sites/ctan.org/systems/texlive/tlnet (verified)
tlmgr: saving backups to /usr/local/texlive/2023/tlpkg/backups
tlmgr: no updates available

@Skillmon breakfast

@DavidCarlisle :)

@DavidCarlisle oh no

@mickep tried this? github.com/notofonts/math/releases/tag/NotoSansMath-v2.539

Looks OK to me, although I'm sure @barbarabeeton will find something to complain about

@DavidCarlisle I think we tried it and concluded that it is not usable as is. :P

@mickep yes the second one (from an artifact on a CI pipeline is rather better than first (last gh release from 5 days ago) so things moving... github.com/wspr/unicode-math/issues/609#issuecomment-1476400447

@DavidCarlisle Very good, indeed.

@mickep seems to be from Simon Cozens, so a proper Lua based typestting system:-)

@DavidCarlisle Which one?

@DavidCarlisle -- I certainly wouldn't want to publish the first one.

@DavidCarlisle Do you happen to know if \xhookrightarrow[a+b+c]{1+2} in mathtools uses the extensible of 0x21AA if it exists, or what it does (I guess not, since we might not be in unicode math, but what if we are?)?

@mickep he's SILE

@DavidCarlisle Aha

@barbarabeeton that's the one I meant:-)

@DavidCarlisle Also, see reddit

(You can post your nice image there) :)

@mickep no, I had some code somewhere for horizontal stretch but I don't think it got used anywhere

This is how notosansmath looks in ConTeXt right now.

@DavidCarlisle Oh, I see. I am in contact with Daniel Flipo regarding his fonts, and adding extensible recipes to 21AA and similar ones...

@mickep you could open an issue at noto sans:

@mickep it's quite a serif-y sans serif, don't you think?

@DavidCarlisle Ohh

@DavidCarlisle Yes, indeed, but don't tell anyone, because people long for a sans math font.

@DavidCarlisle Wide accents seem to be there.

@mickep and some arrows ^^

@DavidCarlisle Yes, and since the piece is there for that one, it could also be done rather simply for some others...

Every March, I look forward to two things, the equinox and the new release of TeX Live/MacTeX.

@LaTeXereXeTaL vvv

$ context
bash: context: command not found

new feature (should simplify @mickep's life)

@DavidCarlisle Strange. Some other run it on their phones.

@mickep seems to not get installed correctly, I assume it will get fixed was just reported on texlive list

@DavidCarlisle Oh, somebody messed up... :(

For those who maintain TeX Live 2023. There is a misleading CLOSE button that should be disabled during installation process. See the following screenshot. It is not intuitive for users.

@TheRealMasochist I found your issue, you're using the GUI :P

See, no "close" button

@Skillmon You wanted to say, he's using Windows ;)

@TeXnician didn't want to sound too harsh :)

Window 1 should be hidden or the close button should be disabled until the installation in window 2 completes. :-)

@TheRealMasochist they are not here

only ducks, dodos, rabbits, Germans, Americans and monochrome British people

@PauloCereda I feel so excluded. :(

@AlanMunn sorry! <3 Canadians 🍁🍁🍁🍁

@JosephWright IMPORTANT kotaku.com/…

Apparently queens are very good at jumping in puddles

@PauloCereda <3

@DavidCarlisle Oh really. :-)

@mickep no seems like it's a feature, context seems to be dropping out of texlive, relegated to "get it from contextgarden and add manually" tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2023-March/048939.html

@DavidCarlisle Really? Well, I guess the one in TL won't be updated equally regularly, but otherwise I see no problem in using the installed one. But there is no reason for jit anymore, as far as I have understood...

@mickep there is no context in tl2023, so it being updated is not an issue

@DavidCarlisle Wait, what? Are you sure?

@mickep well certainly for me (as there is no cygwin lmtx) but my understanding from that thread is same true on linux, but I should confirm

@DavidCarlisle I do not read it like that. "Also, "context" and "mtxrun" are symlinks to luametatex. The regular TL build does not create those either."

@JosephWright do you have linux tl2023?

@mickep ah I thought Karl meant they didn't build luametatex, perhaps not

@DavidCarlisle I don't know what they do, but I would be very surprised if there was not context (mkiv and lmtx) in tl2023.

@DavidCarlisle Oops, that will break circuitikz build big ways. And I have no time now... I'll suspect I'll have to ditch the automatic context compatibility check...

@Rmano Why, though? Your travis file seems to explicitly install context (and TL) from Debian repos. So as long as Debian packages it, you should be fine, shouldn't you?

@mickep I suspect tl team not massively pleased that it doesn't build on all texlive platforms.

@DavidCarlisle I've heard no complains. As far as I understand (not much) it is pretty easy and straight forward to build.

(except your complains about cygwin, but that is difficult to take seriously) :P

@mickep on the platforms its been built on, yes. but all the platform #defines have been stripped out. But Ken Brown (main cygwin tex maintainer) shown interest, perhaps he'll get it going, he probably knows all the "usual places" that system library calls fail

@TeXnician yes, the GitHub will still work, but not on my local machine where I use latest texlive (and often -dev) to check. Yes, I know, I just have to install context too, but I fear troubles...I'll see.

@Rmano looks like you should be ok on linux

@DavidCarlisle yes, maybe I misunderstood... Next weekend I'll have the time to install tl2023 and I'll check!