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barbara beeton

2:01 AM

@DavidCarlisle -- Oh, please don't break amsmath!

ConGovDeIn

3:40 AM

when I apply \begin{abstract}…\end{abstract} the title of the document and the abstrract moves to different pages,

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{graphicx} % Required for inserting images
\usepackage{booktabs}
\usepackage{float}
\usepackage{amsmath}
\newenvironment{abstract}

\begin{document}

\title{An Analysis of Manufacturing Sector in India Through Cobb-Douglas Production Function}
\author{ConGovDeIn}
\address{….}
\date{November 2023}

\begin{abstract}
\noindent
In this paper, we will apply the Cobb-Douglas Production Function to the Manufacturing Sector of the Indian Economy. We would use the Multilinear Regression, the Least-Square Method, to calculate the coefficients. This paper has tw…

This is producing a result like this:

The abstract is appearing on the firrst pagge, and then the title and author name (but not the address) is appearing on the next page, and then the first section begins.

I wanted:
Tiitle
Author
Designation or current educational level
Date[optional]
Abstarct (in a centralized manner)
Keywords

and thhen usual document...

Rmano

6:15 AM

@ConGovDeIn these question are Better asked on the main page. Why do you add \newenvironment{abstract}? You should get errors, when you have errors the PDF is probably broken...

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David Carlisle

8:22 AM

@barbarabeeton what could go wrong ...

Paulo Cereda

8:56 AM

@DavidCarlisle oh no

mickep

@DavidCarlisle Most important is that you have someone to blame when it does...

David Carlisle

@mickep of course yes. I understand the benefits of teamwork.

Skillmon

9:56 AM

Gotta love SO; downvote of an answer without any explanation whatsoever, even though the answer clearly highlights its own limitations...

Joseph Wright

@Skillmon :)

Skillmon

@JosephWright it's things like this that keep me from really participating there, all my experiences on SO were bad so far...

egreg

10:17 AM

@ConGovDeIn What do you expect? You get an error about abstract being already defined. Next, you have abstract before \maketitle. This is wrong with the article class.

Paulo Cereda

11:11 AM

@AlanMunn youtube.com/watch?v=vunESk53r5U

Pablo González L

11:39 AM

`$ texdoc catoptions
texdoc warning: No viewer defined for ".md" files, using "viewer_txt" instead.` @DavidCarlisle ^^ :D

@PauloCereda Hola don Pato ;)

David Carlisle

@PabloGonzálezL you can fix that locally (but it's only a readme that says nothing)

Pablo González L

@DavidCarlisle Have you added it to your collection or is it only for pop-up patches?

David Carlisle

@PabloGonzálezL no: I use a simpler solution, don't read doc

Pablo González L

@DavidCarlisle Jajaja...muy bien

One for @JosephWright typo \text{110000}=1114112$ to~$ (ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/macros/latex/contrib/l3kernel/…)

David Carlisle

@PabloGonzálezL ctan prefers readme.md to readme with no extension these days, so I renamed the file (although actually it has no markdown in it so far) you only get the warning here as (a) you haven't locally set up a markdown reader (neither have I) and (b) there is no pdf doc because the tex source of the doc uses a private class that I don't have (and didn't want to ask for last week when doing teh update)

Paulo Cereda

11:50 AM

@PabloGonzálezL hola! :)

mickep

@DavidCarlisle But catoptions should have a .mew file of course.

Paulo Cereda

@mickep ooh cats

Skillmon

@PauloCereda more Pokemon

David Carlisle

@mickep it could be arranged

Pablo González L

@DavidCarlisle hehehe...I understand, years ago I had communication with the author for something similar, but he faded away and then his packages were broken :(

@PauloCereda Holaaaa :D

Paulo Cereda

11:52 AM

@Skillmon ooh I forgot about it! YES!

Pablo González L

@DavidCarlisle Separate question, what version of perl is included in cygwin?...version 5.38 is already available for windows, but not natively on TL23 windows...I don't know if it is the same under cygwin.

David Carlisle

@PabloGonzálezL I only fixed it here to the point that \usepackage{catoptions} does not error. If you actually try to use the package you will still get errors with other packages 9such as biblatex)

@PabloGonzálezL I have This is perl 5, version 36, subversion 1 (v5.36.1) but I haven't updated recently, i could look...

Pablo González L

@DavidCarlisle Mmmm... tlperl windows is version 5.34

David Carlisle

@PabloGonzálezL cywin has 5.36.2 so a bit ahead of me but not 5.38

@PabloGonzálezL does it matter, it's not using any bleeding edge perl features is it?

@PabloGonzálezL cygwin texlive does not include perl, it uses the system perl, like linux texlive

Pablo González L

@DavidCarlisle Haa...muy bien

@DavidCarlisle More than that it is because of the deprecations in some things (I still have things that work...but they just work and are not well written).

CroCo

12:21 PM

@AlanMunn Thank you @AlanMunn for being informative and helpful. Actually, I'm using ICRA IEEE template for preparing a paper. I came across this issue. I don't know why. As far as I know, IEEE provides horrible templates. not sure why

Is it hard for them to hire a latex expert to do it properly?

mickep

12:35 PM

@CroCo Maybe David is too expensive for them.

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CroCo

@mickep It is unlikely that they will hire him. The first day he takes office, he will fire all of their staff.

mickep

@CroCo Maybe that is what is needed, if the templates are so bad.

samcarter

12:54 PM

Fire all the staff? Who will bring him crispy duck for lunch?

Paulo Cereda

@samcarter oh no

samcarter

@PauloCereda :)

CarLaTeX

1:17 PM

@CroCo Pay attention to the difference between latex expert and LaTeX expert

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David Carlisle

@PauloCereda lunch

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh no

Skillmon

1:48 PM

@CarLaTeX and never hire a LaTeXpert, only LaTeXnicians?

barbara beeton

2:44 PM

@DavidCarlisle -- whimper ...

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton more seriously the opposite is true, it's important not to break amsmath so it's in all the early tests, so it shows up in test breakages in early experiments. Although the particular breakage here is not with amsmath itself as with the "interesting" markup in the one-off amsldoc.cls used for amsldoc.

barbara beeton

3:10 PM

@DavidCarlisle -- Where's the source for amsldoc.cls? I associate that very much with Michael, although Frank and Rainer were probably involved at the beginning. I can't find it by name on CTAN.

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton part of amscls mirror.ox.ac.uk/sites/ctan.org/macros/latex/required/amscls/…

yo'

@DavidCarlisle One simple question: Would it be too hard to change tabularx to accept a "column weight"? Now you can do that with the \hsize hack, but you need to make sure they avarage to 1.0\hsize. I was thining of something that would calculate the avarage and apply a correction on the fly... (Just a thought as we discuss internally how to improve the Table Modal in Overleaf, it's not crucial)

ConGovDeIn

@egreg So, should I simply change the class to Report or add \begin{abstract} after \maketitle?

David Carlisle

3:26 PM

@yo' er well yes sort of trivial to do really, see tabu and tabulararray and other packages that have an X-like syntax. i would have done it except that I documented the whole \hsize nonsense after documenting that all X columns have to have the same width and the package had already gone out, it wasn't part of the design at all....., only question (as always) now is can a syntax be devised that doesn't break stuff.

yo'

@DavidCarlisle Yeah, how many people have already defined an [-column? :D

David Carlisle

@yo' best would be to open a feature request issue at github, it will probably get flagged as long term and parked but you never know we might actually do something, it does sometimes happen

yo'

@DavidCarlisle Fair! Will do (if I get the time...)

ConGovDeIn

4:09 PM

Thanks @egreg using \begin{abstract} after \maketitle worked

Can someone please tell me how to add designation and college name after author name? Is it done simply by using \\ in \author{name \\ college name}?

samcarter

@ConGovDeIn Why not ask a real question on the main site? This way any answer you'll get will also be useful for future users with the same problem.

CarLaTeX

@Skillmon that, too

Rmano

4:26 PM

@samcarter or maybe google "latex article class affiliation" which gives tex.stackexchange.com/questions/214404/… ... ;-)

samcarter

@Rmano :)

campa

@Rmano The site would have much less traffic if people googled or read the documentation...

Rmano

@campa I also blame the site search box, whose answers are inscrutable...

David Carlisle

4:42 PM

@Rmano it works better if you search for the answer rather than the question. So people should wait until they know the answer before asking. or something

Rmano

@DavidCarlisle that's a sound strategy

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- Oh. amsdtx.dtx The date on that is 2009, but the last update documented at the end of the file is dated 2004. So that's still mostly Michael and Frank. Well, the best I can suggest is to negotiate with AMS TeX support.

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton no need to involve ams at this stage we are just using it as an example for pdf accessibility tagging, not as a production version of the class

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- Okay, but if updates to the documentation are needed, ... On a related topic, I know that testmath uses article, but have any suggestions been made for additions or other improvements?

David Carlisle

5:02 PM

@barbarabeeton ooh I'd forgotten about that, it would also make a good tagging test (@UlrikeFischer) no changes have been suggested as far as I remember

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- Yeah, Michael used that as a testing ground for slightly odd or unusual things, and I continued it when I got inspired or bored.

samcarter

@Rmano I'm sure we will dearly miss the current search once meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/425766/… makes its way around the network ...

Skillmon

6:47 PM

@Rmano yes, always search on your preferred search engine with -site:tex.stackexchagne.com, never use SX's search box!

Oh no, seems like Overleaf died: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/702545/… (note the title)

Worst package by far: vectorlogos, doesn't even have a single decent editor's logo available!

barbara beeton

8:10 PM

@samcarter -- What a rotten prospect. I suspect that, secretly, super-clever individuals are pushing this so that they can get more glory (or grift) from cleaning up the bad results. I guess I'll have to become more diligent at dissing questionable answers. (I promise to keep ignoring material I don't know well enough to decide whether it's good or bad. But I will continue to add to "Often referenced questions" when I find something that is really good.)

samcarter

@barbarabeeton The search could be much improved if it would just show a link to the "often referenced questions" :)

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer no tex errors...

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle ?

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer amsldoc (with table support loaded)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle ah good. Any tagpdf warnings?

David Carlisle

8:21 PM

@UlrikeFischer yes and still:

\tag_get:n {struct_num}}}{\hook_gput_code:nne {tagpdf/finish/before}{tagpdf/fo
Package tagpdf Warning: Parent-Child 'Formula/pdf2' --> 'TR/pdf2'.
(tagpdf)                Relation is not allowed (struct 998, /Formula -->
(tagpdf)                struct 999) on line 976
Package tagpdf Warning: Parent-Child 'Formula/pdf2' --> 'TR/pdf2'.
(tagpdf)                Relation is not allowed (struct 998, /Formula -->
(tagpdf)                struct 1006) on line 976
Package tagpdf Warning: Parent-Child 'Formula/pdf2' --> 'TR/pdf2'.

@UlrikeFischer ^^

Package tagpdf Warning: Destination section*.35 has no related structure.
(tagpdf)                /Ref for structure 261 not updated

barbara beeton

@samcarter -- I'm thinking of putting together an "annotated list" of substantive TeX-related FAQs for my next TUGboat column. (GUTenberg just announced a nicely updated one in French.) If you know about others, let me know, please, I am very sorely tempted to include a screed about depending o AI.

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton the french one uses my texlive.net server from learnlatex.org

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle i think the first is gone in the development code. Does this help? github.com/latex3/tagging-project/issues/…. I didn't track the section warning yet.

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- Nice! I may ask you more about that offline.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer thanks, just the section*.35 one now

does this ngpdf/pdfjs error mean anything to you? @UlrikeFischer

samcarter

8:38 PM

@barbarabeeton Nice idea! Maybe ask the Japanese user group? I could imagine that they might have something like that.

barbara beeton

@samcarter -- On my list. Thanks.

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton I tried to generate you a list of all faqs but unfortunately I can't at the moment:

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- Yeah. Right. Sure. NBL.

samcarter

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Alan Munn

8:53 PM

@samcarter Not really enough information yet to know, but it's certainly going to hit us hard if things go south.

samcarter

@AlanMunn I predict several months of chaos :)

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn well it could be like the \\ change, get the community to update every post on the site throttled to no faster than 5s per edit.

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@barbarabeeton I have the data you asked for now

second try:

barbara beeton

9:26 PM

@DavidCarlisle -- Well, that's interesting, and at least all the sites listed do cover (La)TeX. But the two well-structured and curated FAQs I've identified so far are the new French one and the one that used to be the UK TeX FAQ, and neither of those is listed. So the usefulness-quotient approaches zero. Thanks for trying, but sorry.

Skillmon

@barbarabeeton I think the first try summarises this very well :)

barbara beeton

@Skillmon -- Check!

Alan Munn

9:41 PM

Seen on Reddit: OP complains about how long it takes to make Powerpoint slides. Someone suggests beamer. Then you'll never complain again how long it takes to make Powerpoint slides. :)

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David Carlisle

9:54 PM

@barbarabeeton when does a faq become a tutorial or a list of frequently asked questions, eg learnlatex.org or the frequently asked meta question here?

barbara beeton

10:06 PM

@DavidCarlisle -- Although not advertised as a FAQ, I think that learnlatex is well structured, and I'd already included it in my list of resources to consider. And while not nominally a FAQ, the meta question here also has questions grouped by subject, so on list to be considered. (Admittedly, i'm biased, since I keep adding to it when I see something I think is really useful.)

@DavidCarlisle -- I also intend to consider the LaTeX WikiBook, although the last time I looked there for something, I found it was recommending some bad practices. The structuring looked good, but I refuse to recommend something that gives bad advice. Bad advice was never true of the UK TeX FAQ, and from what I've seen, the French one is reliable. Warnings about variable quality will be given in my review where warranted.

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton the ex UK one is highly variable, mostly as most of the answers are 30 years old, so while they may have been true once now they are what they are.

barbara beeton

@DavidCarlisle -- A reasonable reaction, and I intend to mention that. But it's still a good model for organization. (Please keep going; you're helping a lot.)

David Carlisle

@barbarabeeton also of course @JosephWright or I do update it if things are raised but I don't think either of us have the energy to systematically update it

Joseph Wright

10:21 PM

@DavidCarlisle True: unless we have some clear kernel change we need to show (might happen one day with \label, for example)

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