@OnlyTheParanoidSurvive Always after 4, so we can drink beer all day?

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz I drink milk only.

@DavidCarlisle right, and you don't wanna confuse people with filecontents, which will moreover hide the file from the user in the project's cache... Makes sense to me :) I'll raise it with the team.

@DavidCarlisle oh no

> IBM Rallies COBOL Engineers To Save Overloaded Unemployment Systems

@UlrikeFischer The aim was to avoid having to 'know' that we are using LuaHBTeX ...

@JosephWright shhhh

@AlanMunn @barbarabeeton have you ever watched the Blackadder episode named "Ink and Incapability", where they ruin Samuel Johnson's new book, the dictionary of the English language? It's amazing. :)

@JosephWright my contrafibularities, by the way. ^^ :)

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz just home office in Germany and reducing hundreds of overtime hours

I get

C:\Users\ccc\Desktop\Test>tlmgr update --self

tlmgr.pl: Local TeX Live (2019) is older than remote repository (2020).
Cross release updates are only supported with
  update-tlmgr-latest(.sh/.exe) --update
See tug.org/texlive/upgrade.html for details.

@StefanKottwitz :) I wish I could reduce overtime hours i had to do when I was a student... :)

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz /duck hug

@PauloCereda Now I'm a PhD student, so again, no overtime hours. I should rethink some decisions.

@cis if you want updates, yes

@DavidCarlisle Ok, thx. So I will deinstall TL2019 and install TL2020 today...

I will have to save my good araras a.s.o.

@cis you don't need to remove tl2019 unless you are short of space (I have all versions from 2017 on this laptop)

@DavidCarlisle Such a "reset" may not be bad at all. I actually always installed the full version of TeXLive. Lately he has asked me to install some packages, e.g. today: 'zref-abspage'. I was actually used to TL that I have all the packages ....

@cis sure I have full installs of all of them (for testing) but as a general rule if you have the space id install tl2020 before deleting 2019, it's not impossible to get errors in the first few days while they sort out any issues with the new version

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz ooh Dr. Rabbit

@PauloCereda Currently still Master Rabbit (and I'm not yet legally allowed to use that title as my final grade isn't decided on yet).

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz oh no

@PauloCereda So I guess I'm Bachelor Rabbit currently, which doesn't sound nice at all.

My first update is arara ...

@UlrikeFischer <3

@UlrikeFischer so was mine. One could think we're using the same software!

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz <3

@PauloCereda I have to confess, I still never used arara... My current workflow is just too adapted to Makefiles.

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz wait for arara 6.0, you will be pleasantly surprised. :)

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz before Corona, over time hours meant +30% salary :-o I miss that now

@StefanKottwitz is your family dependent on that extra money or was it just some nice extra (sorry if that question is too personal)?

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz nice extra

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz working for airline and cruise lines I should not expect too much theses days :-o

@StefanKottwitz well, you're working on their IT infrastructure I thought. Are there not any projects in modernisation or stuff like that they want to do while their ships have to remain harboured anyway?

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz That was the first thought, when all this started: do dry docks earlier than planned, do projects now instead of later as the ships are not sailing, but it got worse.

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz So nobody can travel, nobody can enter or leave the ships, even the crew is trapped.

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz And the cruise lines did a full stop on spending money for all projects.

@StefanKottwitz guess I underestimated the problems the cruise lines are facing.

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz and they hardly can expect any help from their "home countries" as they registered in Panama, Liberia, Bahamas for example to avoid taxes, and hire crew for cheap such as from Phillipines or Indonesia.

@StefanKottwitz well, that's their own fault (I just hope that employees' existances like yours aren't endangered). (I'll pass for now on that 17min video, but it looks interesting, maybe this evening)

Oh yes ... The installation TL2020 is now running. Now I can't teX for 2-3 hours. :( I was on an interesting topic.

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz Yes, it is their choice. But at the end they follow market demand (be cheap and produce cheap).

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz I'm sorry for the crew that is still at home and got their contracts cancelled, and for the crew that wanted to go home and is stuck on the ship.

twitter.com/j0057m/status/1248891377687068672

> When this #COVIDー19 pandemic is over, I would like us to have a good talk about the proper use of em-dashes, en-dashes, hyphen-minus signs and minus signs. ^^

@PauloCereda Machete doesn't tweet!

@cis Sorry, what?

@cis so does Chromium. You can change the performance settings in the preferences.

@PauloCereda I guess it's supposed to be a reference to the movie "Machete" in which the eponymous protagonist says "Machete doesn't write sms" (or something like that). I don't get the link to that reference, though.

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz oh

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz Ok

@PauloCereda In "Machete 2 - Machete kills again" Machete is recommended to check Twitter. Machete replies: "Machete does not tweet!"

@cis oh, I didn't know that line is part of the second movie.

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz I think it is Part 2...

@cis I know that he says he doesn't write sms in the first.

@barbarabeeton twitter.com/DickKingSmith/status/1248532142646329345

How to rotate a box in Python ^^

Does somebody know why the package ctan.org/pkg/pgfornament apparently was removed from Tex Live 2020?

Or should I ask a separate question?

@CampanIgnis imho it was removed for some times because of some bugs, but it had be uploaded to ctan a few days ago so it should be in the updates in the next days.

@UlrikeFischer Thank you very much. I just installed it manually.

But I will look out for updates.

@JosephWright yes I know, but it makes it sometimes a bit difficult to understand the code. I'm never quite sure if "luatex" means "luatex" or "luatex-but-can-be-luahbtex-too" ;-) But I guess over the next months we can drop luatex and then it will get clearer again.

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz -- You can always phrase it as "Rabbit, Sc.B." (I'm assuming it's science, not arts, and "B.S." sounds even worse than "Bachelor.)

@barbarabeeton In Germany the official title is B.Sc. and I'm not really allowed to change it to Sc.B. :(

@barbarabeeton So correct would be Rabbit, B.Sc.

@StefanKottwitz -- Our little local cruise line, U.S. registered, is offering up their two ships (passenger capacity about 100 each) for housing medical personnel and other first responders in Rhode Island and Massachusetts coastal locations. The news report sounded like they're providing all meals and other services, which keeps their employees employed. Sounds like a winning arrangement, if it's accepted.

@barbarabeeton ooh

Rabbit titles

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz -- That little "c" makes all the difference!

@PauloCereda -- Oh, that's quite charming! A very svelte snake!

@barbarabeeton indeed!

I am watching "Dolittle" with Robert Downey Jr., there's a nurse duck! ^^

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz -- My alma mater still issues its degrees (and diplomas!) in Latin.

From the log:

11 Apr 2020 15:58:05.881 INFO  - Welcome to arara 5.0.2!
11 Apr 2020 15:58:05.884 INFO  - -----------------------------------------------------------------
11 Apr 2020 15:58:05.884 DEBUG - ::: arara @ C:\texlive\2020\texmf-dist\scripts\arara
11 Apr 2020 15:58:05.884 DEBUG - ::: Java 1.8.0_231, Oracle Corporation
11 Apr 2020 15:58:05.884 DEBUG - ::: C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre1.8.0_231
11 Apr 2020 15:58:05.884 DEBUG - ::: Windows 8.1, x86, 6.3
11 Apr 2020 15:58:05.885 DEBUG - ::: user.home @ C:\Users\ccc

@cis file is no more, from version 5.0 on: gitlab.com/islandoftex/arara/-/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md Simply replace it by reference and it should work again.

@PauloCereda Ohhh, what have I to? I fear I do not understand.

@barbarabeeton in Germany almost all universities had to switch to Bachelor&Master system. AFAIK only one engineering university remained handing out diploma, and that one has to pay fines for doing so (I hope this isn't fake news, I didn't check for 6 years whether that changed)

@cis arara does not have a ghostscript rule...

This is most certainly a user rule. So it needs to be updated.

@PauloCereda Thats my / your / cgnieders rule

!config
identifier: ghostscript
name: GhostScript
commands:
- name: The application
  command: >
    @{
         return getCommand(program, options, '-r' + resolution, '-sDEVICE=' + device,
                '-dGraphicsAlphaBits=' + alphabits, '-dTextAlphaBits=' + alphabits,
                '-sOutputFile=' + outputfilename + allpages + '.' + format,
                getBasename(file) + '.pdf');
    }
arguments:
- identifier: program
  flag: >
    @{
        return parameters.program;
    }
  default: >

Done:

!config
identifier: ghostscript
name: GhostScript
commands:
- name: The application
  command: >
    @{
         return getCommand(program, options, '-r' + resolution, '-sDEVICE=' + device,
                '-dGraphicsAlphaBits=' + alphabits, '-dTextAlphaBits=' + alphabits,
                '-sOutputFile=' + outputfilename + allpages + '.' + format,
                getBasename(reference) + '.pdf');
    }
arguments:
- identifier: program
  flag: >
    @{
        return parameters.program;
    }
  default: >

Now it should work. :)

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz -- By "diploma", I mean the parchment certificate awarded to show one's achievement, not the title. (The certificate is so nice to frame and put on one's wall. At Brown, the physical certificate at least used to get larger the more exalted the degree. I don't actually know if real parchment is still used, and this year, I hope it's not electronic only. One local college will be holding a rescheduled award ceremony on Halloween. Hmmm.)

How can I remove write protection?

C:\WINDOWS\system32>texhash
Cannot open C:/texlive/texmf-local/ls-R to write.
Cannot open C:/texlive/2020/texmf-config/ls-R to write.
Cannot open C:/texlive/2020/texmf-var/ls-R to write.
Cannot open C:/texlive/2020/texmf-dist/ls-R to write.
texhash: Done.

@cis run as administrator.

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz I don't know how to do that in the cmd

@cis you have to start the cmd as admin. Hit the "Windows"-button, type in CMD, right click on it and choose "Run as Administrator"

The writing protection is everywhere... cmd, Texworks

@cis Well, I never used TL on Windows... Maybe wait for @UlrikeFischer, she's used to it. Or better yet, ask a question on the main site if you can't resolve it.

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz well I never install as admin unless the applications force me.

Ok, let's install TL2020 once more (NOT as admin)....

@JosephWright learnlatex.github.io/en/lesson-12 and learnlatex.github.io/en/lesson-13 now work as multi-file projects in both overleaf and latex online (actually both using single file projects using filecontents which isn't ideal but enough to test the examples, if I can get real multi-file projects working it shouldn't need a change to the documents)

less success with luatex :) @UlrikeFischer try davidcarlisle.github.io/ll/en/lesson-14 with latexonlin... how far can we get with no luaotfload :-)

@DavidCarlisle well I said it is rather old. Even if luaotfload were there I wouldn't dare to suggest to use it - to many changes since then.

@UlrikeFischer I may see if I can get xetex to work but I doubt fontconfig is set up to find by the internal font name so I'll have to use filenames I guess.

@UlrikeFischer If I get things more or less working I was going to contact the author and ask about possible updates. Or we could self host it looks fairly easy if you know anything about docker (I don't really but that's a minor detail) but we'd have to find somewhere to host it and that might be tricky for free hosts.

@DavidCarlisle we can ask @PauloCereda about docker - he mentioned the word in his video so he must know about it ;-)

@UlrikeFischer ooh I know their logo is a whale :)

@PauloCereda A whale carrying cargo containers.

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz exactly!

@PauloCereda 100% of my knowledge about docker... :)

@Skillmonlikestopanswers.xyz ooh :)

@UlrikeFischer and we have his credit card details so paying for hosting wouldn't be an issue

BTW: cleanx.yaml seems to work still....

@UlrikeFischer oh luatexversion is 79 :(

@DavidCarlisle more than 42 ;-)

@DavidCarlisle I'm just trying to handle problems in this tex system: This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.4-1.40.13 (MiKTeX 2.9) (preloaded format=pdflatex 2013.3.19) . And as being miktex it is not complete, so everytime I suggest a package I get the answer back that it isn't there and can't be installed ;-( They not even have longtable ...

@UlrikeFischer xelatex works!! davidcarlisle.github.io/ll/en/lesson-14 I think that's enough to be able to move it to learnlatex

@DavidCarlisle nice. Were the font in the system or did you add them?

@UlrikeFischer there already

@UlrikeFischer works in overleaf as well now

@cis tex.stackexchange.com/questions/538046

Another quarantine time-waster: youtube.com/watch?v=nORRgU8sGdE&feature=emb_title

@PauloCereda I have to hear the installing concert about 2h. Then I could try to fix by myself.

@UlrikeFischer @JosephWright learnlatex.github.io/en/lesson-14 works on both platforms (the script always uses xelatex if {fontspec} appears in the main document)

@cis poke me if you need any assistance. :)

@barbarabeeton ooh

I will watch "Mad Mission 4" during this loooong TL2020 installation...

@DavidCarlisle Wow!

@DavidCarlisle hmmm

@JosephWright luatex is 0.79 and luaotfload not installed so luatex is out unless I reach out and get some updates, but I think xetex is enough for today

@cis Choose a fast mirror. That's a reason why I installed ctan.net close to me. ;-)

Any mac users out there? Did you run the latest system upgrade, released on Thursday, I think? I did, on two computers. On one of them, but not the other, it removed /usr/local/texlive and moved its contents into /Users/Shared/Relocated Items/Security/System/Volumes/Data/. Of course, I did not find the moved files until I had restored from backup: 45 GB and more than a million files (all the TL versions from 2015 forward). Very mysterious. And maddening. |-(

@StefanKottwitz Ouh, this comes to late.... I do not know, where he is downloading... I startet here: tug.org/texlive/acquire-netinstall.html

@PauloCereda I changed file ---> reference -----> ghostscript.yaml works now!

!config
identifier: ghostscript
name: GhostScript
commands:
- name: The application
  command: >
    @{
         return getCommand(program, options, '-r' + resolution, '-sDEVICE=' + device,
                '-dGraphicsAlphaBits=' + alphabits, '-dTextAlphaBits=' + alphabits,
                '-sOutputFile=' + outputfilename + allpages + '.' + format,
                getBasename(reference) + '.pdf');
    }
arguments:
- identifier: program
  flag: >
    @{
        return parameters.program;
    }
  default: >

@cis I know. :)

@yo' thanks, the main example using filecontents is learnlatex.github.io/en/lesson-13 with the javascript setting it up being learnlatex.github.io/scripts/runlatex.js (openinoverleaf function:-) the similar code in the latexonline version is copied rather than shared specifically to allow one or other to be changed to something better if that is found) using filecontents allows people to write the pages, which is the main thing at the moment.

!config
# SageTeX-Rule for arara.
#
# Dear Windows-users, please check the paths
# pathToBashExecutive    and    pathToSageStartfile
# due to your Sage-installation!
#
identifier: sagetex
name: SageTeX
authors:
- TeXnician (Author)
- cis (Idea)
arguments: []
commands:
- name: A SageTeX Rule for arara
  command: >
    @{
        pathToBashExecutive = "C:\\Programme\\SageMath8.9\\runtime\\bin\\bash";
        pathToSageStartfile = "C:/Programme/SageMath8.9/runtime/opt/sagemath-8.9/sage";
        pathOfCurrentWorkingFolder = currentFile().getParent();

@DavidCarlisle twitter.com/pid_eins/status/1249010352760766466

@cis If @PauloCereda hasn't done it, I suspect nobody else will have.

@AlanMunn :) IIRC I used ZSNes in my machine. :)

It's a good Super Nintendo / Super Famicon emulator.

Both are available in my distro repository, so it wouldn't be any trouble to use, provided that you have the game ROMs.

Oh no :( R.I.P John Conway!

@yo' news here doesn't seem to have picked that up. That's a shame. Him playing backgammon in the common room is the ever present image of my two years at Cambridge.

@DavidCarlisle I don't have a solid source, but I hope people don't make fools about such things: twitter.com/alexbellos/status/1249044593817116673?s=19

@yo' Oh my! The one from the Game of Life?!

@DavidCarlisle Have you known him?

@PauloCereda yep

@yo' oh no :(

RIP John Conway :(

@PauloCereda well I didn't know him well but he was there while I was there and I was one of the few people based in the math department (not having a college as on a research council fellowship) so I saw him quite a bit , and the sound of backgammon dice just outside my door was not uncommon:-) they were just publishing the atlas of finite groups at that time (that was published December 85, I started in Cambridge in the September)

@DavidCarlisle wow!

@PauloCereda he got a job in the states and left the following year

@DavidCarlisle oh

As far I know, @DavidCarlisle only uses Kaizo-Romhacks....

@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda This looks like a more creditable source: twitter.com/CardColm/status/1249088354857226242