TeX, LaTeX and Friends

Canageek

12:00 AM

OH I see

nope, I was wrong

Canageek

12:14 AM

Got it.
Also: Dammit, this has the SAME issue as latinmodern with the dot

@DavidCarlisle Is there a better Computer Modern version with upright Greek letters (or at least the like, five I need)

David Carlisle

@Canageek no idea, Greek isn't really my thing but actually using luatex you could make an on-the-fly virtual font that pulls in whatever glyphs you want from wherever so you could put the cursive kappa in the empty slot and pull the k kappa from the math font and make any other adjustments you want packaged as a single font

Canageek

@DavidCarlisle OK, that sounds cool. The big downside is no one else in my group is going to use LuaLaTeX so I'm making my work useless for all following grad students :(

David Carlisle

@Canageek inspire them to follow your lead:-) For combining fonts see texdoc combofont package by some german lady, I forget who

Ulrike Fischer

12:31 AM

@DavidCarlisle based on a suggestion from an english gentleman, I forgot who

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer was it? I forgot that bit...

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle this starts with "David" tex.stackexchange.com/a/371989/2388

David Carlisle

12 hours ago, by David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer I was taught not to follow suspicious links posted on the internet

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle but it starts with David and you said one can trust you

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer but I would have to trust you when you tell me that, if i don't follow the link.

Canageek

1:15 AM

Me: *thinks I figured out something*
Me: *manages to get the REVERSE of what I want*

Paulo Cereda

8:58 AM

quack

yo'

boo!

Paulo Cereda

@yo' ooh

yo'

9:48 AM

The Croatian earthquake was felt in some buildings in Prague, some 500 km away!

CarLaTeX

10:00 AM

@yo' :o

Paulo Cereda

@yo' oh my

Ulrike Fischer

11:00 AM

@DavidCarlisle I see you trust Google links ;-)

yo'

@CarLaTeX my dad's at the Czech Geophysical Institute, but fortunately not the director of it anymore, so not the one getting all the phone calls :D

David Carlisle

11:31 AM

@UlrikeFischer you have to trust infallible oracles

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle So you could google for "call-a-luatex-combo-font-through-nfss", verify my link with the oracle and then trust me?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle quack

David Carlisle

11:49 AM

@PauloCereda brunch, but also as you reminded me I have a tikz-pgf badge:

\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
\begin{picture}(200,150)
\put(100,32){\oval(40,60)[b]}
\put(100,32){\oval(55,5)[t]}
\put(100,0){\oval(40,5)[t]}
\put(100,34){\line(0,1){65}}
  \put(100,110){\circle{20}}
  \put(100,110){\circle*{3}}
\put(110,34){\line(1,6){8}}
  \put(121,91){\circle{20}}
  \put(121,91){\circle*{3}}
\put(90,34){\line(-1,6){6}}
  \put(82,81){\circle{20}}
  \put(82,81){\circle*{3}}
\end{picture}
\end{document}

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle what's it?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda Now I'm offended:( It should be obvious what it is, see question on main site :(

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle er... link?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda sigh

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Q: Drawings of flower pots

I'd like to know if anyone has code to draw flower pots like the one in the attached picture below.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle OOH

@DavidCarlisle artistic skills

David Carlisle

11:55 AM

@PauloCereda I thought so

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle you should post it as an answer

samcarter_prepared_for_xmas

12:12 PM

@DavidCarlisle Deja vu

Nov 11 at 20:10, by samcarter_preparing_for_xmas

\documentclass{standalone}

\usepackage{tikz}

\begin{document}

\begin{tikzpicture}
\draw[green!50!brown,line width=0.4pt] (-0.01,0.3) arc [start angle=-15, end angle=30, radius=0.7];
\fill[green!50!brown] (-0.1377, 0.7384) .. controls (-0.1775, 0.5828) and (-0.1479, 0.4649) .. (0.0072, 0.4246) .. controls (0.0570, 0.5636) and (-0.1529, 0.6447) .. (-0.1377, 0.7384) -- cycle;
\fill[green!50!brown] (0.1527, 0.7334) .. controls (0.1925, 0.5778) and (0.1629, 0.4599) .. (0.0178, 0.4196) .. controls (-0.0420, 0.5586) and (0.1679, 0.6397) .. (0.1527, 0.7334) -- cycle;

David Carlisle

12:27 PM

@samcarter_prepared_for_xmas not like this forum to repeat a theme

so @samcarter_prepared_for_xmas, were you prepared in time?

samcarter_prepared_for_xmas

@DavidCarlisle Yeah, I even had time to replace "preparing" with "prepared" :) But I'm still looking for a good idea what to use next

wtsnjp

1:04 PM

@PauloCereda Thanks for supporting & mentioning :)

Paulo Cereda

1:33 PM

@wtsnjp Quack <3

David Carlisle

2:02 PM

@PauloCereda 昼食

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle oh no

Ulrike Fischer

@PauloCereda 信天翁?

Paulo Cereda

@UlrikeFischer ooh <3

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda "The word albatross is sometimes used metaphorically to mean a psychological burden that feels like a curse"

Paulo Cereda

Rime of the Ancient Mariner (2015 Remaster)

►

CarLaTeX

3:38 PM

@yo' :)

Ulrike Fischer

4:29 PM

@MarcelKrüger context has just updated, so I can try to import again.

Marcel Krüger

@UlrikeFischer I just pushed an import before I saw your message.

Ulrike Fischer

@MarcelKrüger that is fine too. Did you did lualibs too?

Marcel Krüger

@UlrikeFischer No, I am still testing the fontloader.

Joseph Wright

5:20 PM

@DavidCarlisle Did you have a chance to look at my dvipdfmx stuff yet?

LaTeXereXeTaL

5:57 PM

It's probably explained in the TeXbook, but I'm still astounded by the fact that a macro can be defined after it's first used. I still tend to think in terms of procedural programming and sometimes it trips me up.

Ulrike Fischer

@LaTeXereXeTaL not if "used" means really used (executed).

barbara beeton

@yo' -- In the U.S., there's an online site where one can report experiencing an earthquake. In 2010, I was sitting in my office in Providence when my chair started swaying side to side. The earthquake was south of Washington, DC, a bit under 600 km distant. I was surprised that it could be felt so far away, and reported it. (It was actually felt quite a bit farther north.) But that one wasn't as devastating as the one that just happened in Croatia.

LaTeXereXeTaL

6:20 PM

@UlrikeFischer I am obviously not understanding something then. I've been looking for a way to define package version and date once and used multiple places. In the latest expkv update, @Skillmon uses his \ekvDate and \ekvVersion in the package file but they're defined in an included file.

Rmano

6:35 PM

@LaTeXereXeTaL you can define a macro that contains a macro not yet defined. But you can't expand it before defining the inner macro...

Ulrike Fischer

@LaTeXereXeTaL you can do \newcommand\blub{\somestillundefinedcommand}. But this simply writing down the word \somestillundefinedcommand, you are not using it. But as soon as you do \blub somewhere, the command inside must be defined.

David Carlisle

6:57 PM

@JosephWright er... same state as jadetex and longtable 4.14 ...

@LaTeXereXeTaL the replacement text of a macro definition isn't processed at all (other than tokenization)

@LaTeXereXeTaL there is nothing special about "undefined" here it's no different that for any token in the replacement text the definition at the point of use is used not the definition (or not) where the macro is defined. That's why if you go \renewcommand\arraystretch{2} before a tabular it gets stretched, the value at the point tabular is defined is not compiled in.

LaTeXereXeTaL

7:38 PM

@UlrikeFischer @DavidCarlisle Okay. Then I don't understand how the example I cited works.

LaTeXereXeTaL

7:49 PM

I'm astounded at my apparent stupidity.

Plergux

8:05 PM

@LaTeXereXeTaL brainfart? :p

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :)

LaTeXereXeTaL

@Plergux I think I'm just thick in some ways.

Ulrike Fischer

8:19 PM

@LaTeXereXeTaL where is the problem? expkv loads expkv.tex, this defines \ekvDate, and then it is used.

LaTeXereXeTaL

8:55 PM

@UlrikeFischer It looks to be used in \ProvidesPackage before \input{expkv.tex}. Am I missing something obvious?

Ulrike Fischer

@LaTeXereXeTaL the ProvidesPackage is after the \input command.

LaTeXereXeTaL

@UlrikeFischer Ah so it is. Then I don't see the point in lines 1-5. I'll show myself out now.

Canageek

Weird question

Is the top line in a thicker font then the bottom line, or am I seeing things?

David Carlisle

@JosephWright just watched last of the RI Christmas lectures:-)

Canageek

(I don't want to go chasing down how to fix an issue if I'm just seeing things)

David Carlisle

9:08 PM

@Canageek looks a bit thicker but hard to tell from a bitmap \showoutput is your friend:-)

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle what does RI mean?

David Carlisle

@LaTeXereXeTaL @LaTeXereXeTaL it's a trick use so that it does \ProvidesFile in latex and nothing in plain tex.

@UlrikeFischer Royal Institution, annual series of (usually 3) lecture aimed at 11-16 year olds in the original lecture theatre used by Faraday and others (but this year filled with screens and a virtual audience) this year in climate change

rigb.org/christmas-lectures

LaTeXereXeTaL

@DavidCarlisle Are those broadcast on TV?

David Carlisle

@LaTeXereXeTaL yes

LaTeXereXeTaL

@DavidCarlisle Last year's lecture by Hannah Fry was outstanding.

David Carlisle

9:16 PM

@LaTeXereXeTaL if you look at the top of the input def file you see \csname ekv@tmp\endcsname that does nothing in plain tex if you have directly input the tex file but in latex where it is input via the .sty it does expands to the \ProvidesFile call that you saw in the definition

@LaTeXereXeTaL yes this years probably wasn't the best but they did well to put something on at all given the circumstances

Canageek

@DavidCarlisle !!! THIS IS USEFUL

LaTeXereXeTaL

@DavidCarlisle I wish PBS here in the States could broadcast them. I only get to see them on YouTube.

Canageek

AHhh there it is

.....\TU/NewCM10-Regular.otf(0)/m/n/10.95 a
.....\glue(\spaceskip) 3.64635 plus 1.82318 minus 1.21545
.....\TU/NewCM10-Book.otf(0)/m/n/10.95 a

LaTeXereXeTaL

I wonder if BritBox broadcasts them...

@DavidCarlisle I blame my ignorance on having never once used Plain TeX.

That, and Plain Ignorance.

LaTeXereXeTaL

9:40 PM

I was once again under an unfounded assumption, namely that \ProvidesPackage must be the first line of a package file.

David Carlisle

@LaTeXereXeTaL it helps if it is as then if there are any error messages or other log output while reading the file it comes after the Providespackage typeout in the log but it doesn't have to be (but option declarations need to be after that and before \ProcessOptions so they get assigned as options to the correct package

LaTeXereXeTaL

@DavidCarlisle Does that mean I could assign file date and version macros before \ProvidesPackage and subsequently use them elsewhere?

David Carlisle

@LaTeXereXeTaL yes that's quite common or of course the date is available to use elsewhere anyway as \@ifpackagelater ...

LaTeXereXeTaL

@DavidCarlisle Wow that solves a lot of problems for me. I was aware of \@ifpackagelater. I'd like to be able to edit the date and version in one place rather than in two or three places.

David Carlisle

@LaTeXereXeTaL if it is just for documentation reasons see \GetFileInfo as used in longtable and several other of the tools packages that defines \filedate and \fileversion extracting it from the \ProvidesPackage line

LaTeXereXeTaL

9:51 PM

@DavidCarlisle Right, but that won't work in a file that loads the package will it?

David Carlisle

@LaTeXereXeTaL no

LaTeXereXeTaL

@DavidCarlisle That's what I'd like to work around.

Ulrike Fischer

@DavidCarlisle what was it about?

LaTeXereXeTaL

@UlrikeFischer @DavidCarlisle Thank you both.

David Carlisle

@UlrikeFischer "planet earth" they had three lecturers this year unusually first one on rocks tectonic plates etc and killing off dinosaurs second by an oceanographer on carbon and heat cycles and climate change and whale poo, and todays was by a climate change specialist on social aspects impact of climate change and recycling etc.

Canageek

10:59 PM

OK, so I've now found and fixed everything I think so it uses either book or regular as I want it through the full document

Hard part: NOW PICKING WHICH ONE TO USE adlskfaslkjdsa

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