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12:09 AM
@Skillmon We could have a TeX format for code-golfing :-)
 
@PhelypeOleinik I already started it, but only spend a day or so :)
 
@Skillmon Oh :-)
 
@Skillmon I like your README :-)
 
@PhelypeOleinik and the name is carefully chosen to not require too many letters to be used: \input-g\def does work :)
 
12:16 AM
@Skillmon Indeed! Why \def though?
 
@PhelypeOleinik just an example. \input-g and then you go, as long as the following isn't considered a file name by TeX's \input, it works (and you often need to \def something).
 
@Skillmon Ah, right. I thought the file looked ahead for something (didn't inspect the code carefully).
 
@PhelypeOleinik Problem with not writing documentation is: I have no idea what that code does. And why it starts pgfparser in debug mode on my local version, and why I have so many uncommitted changes.
 
@Skillmon :-) Documentation: “read the code”
 
@PhelypeOleinik I think I had the plan to make it look ahead to have a shorter syntax to load additional packages and stuff.
 
12:30 AM
@Skillmon Usually I don't bother with git when I start a project. I change my mind too often to have a useful history. I wait for it to be minimally working before making an initial commit (I'm lazy :)
@Skillmon Would be a nice feature, I think (code golf speaking)
 
@PhelypeOleinik often, I do the same, but I needed that first draft for some answer on cg.so
@PhelypeOleinik also, I planned to have a code golfing dialect of TikZ available and stuff.
but then, I needed to get something else done, and that's it.
 
@Skillmon Priorities ;-)
@Skillmon That sentence summarizes basically every project I start Ç_Ç
 
@PhelypeOleinik you cheated by looking for chess doc :(
 
@DavidCarlisle I looked at the code, actually (trying to figure out why it errored if I passed a list of fields). The doc is only for the screenshot :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle thought the same. Was so looking forward to golfing that down to as few bytes as possible tomorrow.
 
12:44 AM
@PhelypeOleinik that's OK then:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I knew you wouldn't forgive me otherwise :)
 
1:09 AM
@DavidCarlisle I was going to make my answer shorter, but a bug in @UlrikeFischer's code didn't let me :(
\documentclass{book}
\usepackage{chessboard}
\begin{document}
\chessboard[color=green!50,colorbackareas={a1-c3,d4-f6}]
\end{document}
@UlrikeFischer Only the first area in the list is coloured ^^^
 
 
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8:04 AM
Don't you guys love having a cat as alarm clock? :)
 
@PhelypeOleinik that can't be a bug, it must be a feature ;-). I will look later. Btw: chessboard keys are a bit unusual, they are actions and it is actually often needed to set them more than once.
 
8:20 AM
@PauloCereda I am sorry, but that's a hard pass :| As much as I love animals, "human living area" and "animal living area" are two entirely separate things. #noVenn :p
 
@Plergux ooh :)
@Plergux tell that to Fubá (that's my cat's name). :)
 
@PauloCereda heh heh heh... well, I'm safe on a rock in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean :p
@PauloCereda Is he yellow? :p
 
@Plergux fair question, but he is white. :) When we adopted him, he already had that name. :)
Friends, my talk for the GuIT meeting 2020: vimeo.com/474311117
 
@PauloCereda So he should really be named Farinha :p
 
@Plergux Exactly! :D
@Plergux but Fubá is a very cute name for a naughty cat. :)
Oct 11 '15 at 21:11, by Paulo Cereda
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@Plergux ^^
 
8:29 AM
@PauloCereda Very pretty! (for a cat :p) almost as pretty as that crochet! XD
 
@Plergux that's mum's artwork. :)
It's covering her hundred-year-old sewing machine.
 
@PauloCereda JEALOUS!!! O.O
 
@Plergux /duck hug
 
@PauloCereda /sheep hug :p
 
@Plergux ooh
@Plergux Fubá is actually the eldest cat I ever had to date: he is 17 years old!
 
8:32 AM
@PauloCereda That's old for a cat!
 
@Plergux it is! And he is naughty as ever!
 
@PauloCereda I think that happens with age. For humans too. The older you get the less time you have for wasting time on crap like behaving :p
 
@Plergux ooh improvements :)
 
@PauloCereda :) I think I have already reached that tipping point XD
 
yo'
@PauloCereda there are times when he isn't hidden on the rooftop?
 
8:40 AM
@yo' when looking for food. :)
@Plergux quite
@yo' you got mail. :)
ooh hi mr. squirrel
 
@PauloCereda morning. Nice cat, although his expression is not exactly friendly... I used to have a completely white and very naughty cat in my teens, looking like it...
 
@Rmano ooh <3
 
 
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yo'
10:00 AM
@PauloCereda yep. Sorry I was at the Sunday e-service.
 
@yo' no worries. :)
 
 
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11:26 AM
This has been an extraordinary week. I've learned how to implement key values to set package options, how to use \bgroup...\egroup, and I think I've finally beaten into my head the concept of "macro expansion" to make writing commands more efficient. One of the hardest things I've dealt with was thinking in terms of procedural programming, not macro expansion.
The next version of my package might just look as though it was created by an adult.
 
12:01 PM
@LaTeXereXeTaL ... and the next to next version will look as written by a duck? :D
 
12:25 PM
@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz ooh quack
 
12:46 PM
> Flamingos can sleep in ponds that freeze around their legs at night, drink water at boiling temperatures, and survive in conditions that expose them to arsenic and poisonous gases.
ooh flamingos seem very strong
 
@PauloCereda like superducks
 
@Rmano ooh regular flamingos
Then bold flamingos
ooh how about italic flamingos
 
@PauloCereda vvvvvv
^^^^italic superduck
 
@Rmano ooh
 
1:53 PM
@Plergux -- It's been said that if one reaches a certain age without growing up, it's not necessary to try.
 
@barbarabeeton Yeah, I've never tried. :p I get way too much enjoyment out of Spongebob and fart jokes. :p
 
Oh dear! Tropical storm eta is now swirling in the Caribbean! When will this end?
 
2:09 PM
@barbarabeeton oh no
@Plergux ooh Spongebob
 
2:22 PM
@PauloCereda Love Spongebob :D I didn't watch it until after my kid was born (11 years ago) because I decided that there would be nothing watched in my house if I didn't like it. So I did some extensive "cartoon research" and we watched (and still watch) things like Spongebob and Flapjack, and there is a strict Paw Patrol and Dora the Explorer ban XD
 
@Plergux ooh a cartoon research
@Plergux I once posted a code with George's mr. dinosaur: tex.stackexchange.com/a/391184
 
@PauloCereda Tienes un correo :D
 
@PabloGonzálezL Thank you very much for your help!
 
@PauloCereda I'm a fan of arara :)
 
@PabloGonzálezL Thanks, it was a humble project that got a huge userbase, for some reason.
 
2:38 PM
@PauloCereda Good ideas always go far
 
@PabloGonzálezL quack <3
 
@PauloCereda Diinosaur! Grrr! Love Peppa. XD She's so English XD
 
@Plergux YES! <3
@Plergux Do you know who voices Grampy Rabbit?
 
@PauloCereda Yes, one of my favourite actors ever, Brian Blessed.
@PauloCereda "CHISSIICK! FRESH HORSEEES!" XD
 
@Plergux YEEEEEEEES
 
2:46 PM
@Rmano Looks more like \upshape to me.
 
@PauloCereda Have you seen the experiment that was done with him and Stephen Fry on the benefits of swearing?
 
@Plergux ooh I don't know it
 
@PauloCereda You can find it on Youtube. Just look for "Stephen Fry Brian Blessed swearing" (It's BBC's Planet Word).
 
@Plergux ooh hold on
Top voted comment: Brian Blessed is the only man who can speak in Caps Lock
 
@PauloCereda XD He's so awesome. Absolutely one of a kind. XD
@PauloCereda youtube.com/watch?v=XfeMP4h8dhM here if you haven't found it. :)
 
2:57 PM
@Plergux There was an episode of HIGNFY with him as host. I was fantastic!
 
@PauloCereda I haven't seen that, but I can imagine! XD
 
@PauloCereda Imagine him reading an audiobook XD
 
@Plergux LOL don't wear a headphone :)
@Plergux you probably like Blackadder, right? :)
 
@PauloCereda XD yes, I love love love love Blackadder :D
 
3:05 PM
@Plergux ooh <3
 
3:38 PM
@PhelypeOleinik I uploaded a new version to ctan (a few braces where missing, when passing keyval values around).
 
 
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5:52 PM
@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz Could very well be!
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Yep, this also is true (really I was trying to joke italic ←→ italian but I am not sure that this is internetionally understandable... much of the extended family of Donald Duck originated in Italy when I was a child)
 
6:37 PM
@Rmano Yeah, I figured as much. But I just couldn't resist the counterjoke.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Ah o, I'm happy it went through. I like yours too!
 
6:58 PM
@UlrikeFischer Ah, cool! Thanks :D
 
@PhelypeOleinik I want to thank you for showing me about \bgroup and \egroup. It's made writing certain macros so much more efficient.
 
@LaTeXereXeTaL You're welcome :)
 
@PhelypeOleinik thank to you that you found the bug ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer :)
 
 
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9:51 PM
@Rmano When there's trouble you call the Double-U!
 
10:24 PM
Is there an easy way to search the transcript of this chat room?
 
@Skillmon There's a search bar on the top right, but I'm not sure it classifies as easy...
 
@PhelypeOleinik that's pretty well hidden, if you ask me :) Thanks.
 
@Skillmon (the occasions I tried searching for something, I failed miserably :)
@Skillmon Yes!
 
@FakeMod starting from version 1.6, menukeys is working again!
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@Skillmon Neat! :D
 
10:33 PM
@PhelypeOleinik I was lucky that the original author did merge and deploy my PR rather quickly :)
 
@Skillmon Indeed! It's really great that one fewer package is breaking because of catoptions
 
10:59 PM
@PhelypeOleinik a quick grep of my texmf suggests that the only packages left are the ones written by Ahmed Musa, and those I don't want to touch.
 
@Skillmon Looking at his CTAN page, most packages are keyval-related .-.
@Skillmon The most used one seems to be xwatermark. The other ones I don't recall seeing in documents
 
@PhelypeOleinik yes, I think so, too. But I think there are enough alternatives to xwatermark out there nowadays, xwatermark isn't a pushing issue, imho.
 
@Skillmon Indeed. xwatermark seems... unnecessarily complicated. I think its core functionality can be replaced with the shipout hooks now
 
@Skillmon That shouldn't be a problem. I saw only very few questions, and they all switched easily to eso-pic or to the new hooks.
 
@UlrikeFischer that's what I'd have guessed.
 
11:15 PM
@Skillmon I expected a bit more as that was the package I had seen a number of times in questions in last years (and always advised to drop ..) But then not much came.
 
@UlrikeFischer I didn't mean the number of questions, but the easy switch to other solutions.
 
Greetings all.
 
@Skillmon oh that I knew before from questions.
 
@UlrikeFischer I think I never answered an xwatermark-removal question :)
 

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